39 P/U horn relay...

[39portlander]

Posting these for Greg and others, pre-tear down of my horn and were my relay was located. Per usual, this could be right, might be wrong. Scott

[Kube]

I am fairly certain a relay was not utilized in 39 pickups. Also, nearly certain that's an incorrect horn...
Yes? No?

[JSeery]

I can't find a 39 commercial wiring diagram, but both the 39 std and deluxe car diagrams show a relay with dual trumpet style horns.

[39portlander]

Originally Posted by Kube

I am fairly certain a relay was not utilized in 39 pickups. Also, nearly certain that's an incorrect horn...
Yes? No?

For all we know Kube, someone used a harness from a car and spliced it into the p/u I now have. I got more faith in your opinion about this than what was there when I tore it apart, thanks.

Concerning the horn I'm not sure if it is original, but she works great. Knowing what may or may not be correct is important as my 39 p/u did come out of an old apple orchard and who knows what they used to keep it running.

I will say that horn did not look out of place as the overall under hood conditions matched and were consistent in color fade and oxidation/corrosion pigments.

[sunshine]

My 39 pkup is all original and the single horn is located down between the lower radiator hoses above the splash pan , which you dont seem to show in your picture.I also does not use a relay. SUNS

[JSeery]

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Originally Posted by sunshine

My 39 pkup is all original and the single horn is located down between the lower radiator hoses above the splash pan , which you dont seem to show in your picture.I also does not use a relay. SUNS

Thanks for the input, the commercial are often different from the passenger car. They went to a relay in 38 on the passenger cars but must have keep the direct wiring on the commercials.

[39portlander]

Originally Posted by sunshine

My 39 pkup is all original and the single horn is located down between the lower radiator hoses above the splash pan , which you dont seem to show in your picture.I also does not use a relay. SUNS

And for reference and just because we love pictures here on the Ford Barn, send us your horn "example" as it is "all original"

Several years ago I had a conversation with Dick Spadaro and the big thing that stuck with me was he made a point about the trucks getting all the leftover parts. 38/39's are great examples, headlight buckets were leftovers from the cars and who know's what else.

*1939 assembly line worker: "hey were all done with production for the sedan's what do I do with the rest of the parts and horn relay's ?"
Foreman: "throw them on the pallet and will use them up on the trucks"
Assembly line worker: (thinking to himself), ahh this is gonna be fun. 70 years from now some poor sucker is gonna think he's got an all original parts correct matching truck

[Ray Balukas]

Good one Scott! Henry wasted nothing. Use it!

[Kube]

Originally Posted by 39portlander

And for reference and just because we love pictures here on the Ford Barn, send us your horn "example" as it is "all original"

Several years ago I had a conversation with Dick Spadaro and the big thing that stuck with me was he made a point about the trucks getting all the leftover parts. 38/39's are great examples, headlight buckets were leftovers from the cars and who know's what else.

*1939 assembly line worker: "hey were all done with production for the sedan's what do I do with the rest of the parts and horn relay's ?"
Foreman: "throw them on the pallet and will use them up on the trucks"
Assembly line worker: (thinking to himself), ahh this is gonna be fun. 70 years from now some poor sucker is gonna think he's got an all original parts correct matching truck

Your argument that Ford used the previous years parts up on the next years models has some validity. Some.
I hear this argument often on the concourse. It sounds to me as if authenticity is not a high priority to you. If I am correct in that assumption, then go with what you have and "who cares?".
If you truly in fact do care about authenticity, then what you currently have is incorrect.
On the concourse, the burden remains upon the owner to offer proof that "last years parts" were installed on "this years model". That is something that can be very rarely proven and even less often achieved.

Yes, we know Ford used some parts from the previous years models on the current models. However, this was certainly more of an exception than a rule when one extrapolates the number of "new" parts designed for the new model.
Many "over stock" parts simply went to service parts inventory. Plus, like today, parts were not purposely overly produced when not required.

Bottom line? If authenticity does not matter to you, then do what makes you happy. Of it does, do more research and find proof (not opinion) of what truly was installed upon your vehicle.
The proof is "ut there" for those so inclined to pursue it.

[39portlander]

Originally Posted by 39portlander

Posting these for Greg and others, pre-tear down of my horn and were my relay was located. Per usual, this could be right, might be wrong. Scott

As my original thread did say "could be right, might be wrong". A fellow inquires about a part, I recall removing one upon dis-assembly and just happen to post it for him.

I will never assume anything is correct on my P/U, the 59AB was a dead giveaway when I bought it but...

I am pretty close to a 39 pickup with a sweet little Flathead (thanks Walt)and now twice as smart from tear'n it apart and put'n it back together.

I do care what may or may not be correct that is what's great about this site, but for now a truck with a run'n Flathead is what matters most. It didn't have a horn relay, great now we know and thank you Ford Barn again.

[SofaKing]

Thanks Scott. My horn came with a relay and a bookshelf.

[callbald]

my 39 pickup does not have a relay for the horn that is also located down between the lower radiator hoses on a frame bracket. I just finished rebuilding it. Attached is also a wiring diagram created by ClassicCarWiring,com is somewhat generic for the truck. it does show a relay in dashes because it could be on some end of model builds.

[alanwoodieman]

that is a car horn on your truck, looks like a 1940 which uses a relay, callbald's horn looks like the correct truck horn which has the relay built into it. I have seen car horns, even a complete pair used in trucks a lot

[G.M.]

My 39 P/U was a 2 owner low mileage truck when I bought it. It has a horn
relay mounted on frame fairly near back the horn. The bracket is "L" shaped
and the bottom of the "L" sits on the top of the frame and has a small tab of
metal about 1/4" wide and 5/16" long bent down. The bottom of the "L" also
has a hole for I believe a 5/16" bolt. There are 2 holes in the frame, the bolt
hole in the "L" lines up with one hole and the bent down tab go's into the
other hole to keep the bracket from rotating. G.M.

[Tinker]

Here is some pictures and a thread with some discussion on the horn and a few other 38/39 truck stuff.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156611