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08-10-2018, 07:24 AM | #1 |
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1930-31 Front Apron Tool Box
HELP please! I need help from someone who has installed the tool box shown.
I need closeup photos of the support brackets, of the tool box shown, that are attached to a 1930-31 Model "A" so I can determine the hardware I need to buy. Please post some pictures here or email them to me at [email protected] A search of the Fordbarn yielded no joy in my quest to learn about this tool box installation. I do know that the apron attachments screws are 1/4-28, and it appears that there are a lot shim washers needed and much longer screws / bolts necessary to get the support brackets in proper alignment.
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08-10-2018, 07:37 AM | #2 |
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It looks like it might use the screws holding the front apron to the frame horns.
Sorry didn't see last part of your . Check out Bratton's: https://www.brattons.com/metal-tool-box.html Last edited by MickeyT; 08-10-2018 at 07:47 AM. |
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Re: 1930-31 Front Apron Tool Box
I have that box on two of my A`s , no extra hardware is needed. when you install the side brackets remove the nuts and lock washer on your front bumper brackets install the brackets install the nuts and lock washer but do not tighten them. now install the box there is four screws that go down inside of the box. now you can tighten all the bolts and nuts. I added a nice little bracket to hold the lid open.
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JW, you have the correct way to go. My confusion was the location of the brackets. As you say, they pickup the bumper arm attachments and not the screws holding the apron on.
Shortly after posting this thread, a friend sent me some photos of his car and as happenstance would have it, it has the tool box.
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Re: 1930-31 Front Apron Tool Box
Can you still hand crank when this tool box is installed?
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Re: 1930-31 Front Apron Tool Box
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I have a front tool box on my 160B sedan. I have the box support bracket on the outside of my front bumper brackets, The 4 bumper brackets bolts hold the support on. No, you cannot use a hand crank to turn over the engine with the box installed.
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I must confess that I have only been involved with these in actual use on a couple of vehicles (-seen them on many, just not been involved with a couple) however the issue I saw in both examples was you could not have placed the stuff inside both of those tool boxes any better with a dump truck. As I recall, neither driver could locate what they thought they had inside. Since both of these were not being used as a tool box but more of a catch all, my question to others is just exactly what do you carry in these that is such a necessity to have?
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08-10-2018, 02:35 PM | #10 |
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I have the smaller, more streamlined tool box (on the car when I bought it).
I carry a small bottle jack, a wheel chalk, two pieces of 4x4 wood , some rags, a lug wrench and a small assortment of tools. And no you can not use a hand crank on this type either. https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/tool-box Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 08-10-2018 at 02:48 PM. |
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The link page says: "The box does block the crank hole in the radiator shell."
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Look at my picture... You think you can get a crank in there? I wrote "And no you can not use a hand crank on this type either
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Easy to cut a spare crank handle and weld a large nut on the end. Match the grille hole with one in the box with a rubber plug and you can crank the engine over. I never tried to start the motor but it’s probably possible.
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Good idea! divcoone
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I carry 2 gallons of gas, a pair of coveralls ,a quart of oil, a roll of paper towel,and a pair of gloves. Any of the long tours where I may need gas before the rest, I can pull over and add if needed. I don't want to put the gas in my rear trunk,where it may cause a smell. Works for me.
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The tool box is on my Victoria, and it is loaded with a tarp, 1 gallon of water, a full bag of tools and some spare parts. I took the car out for a run yesterday and I noticed an unintended consequence. The mass of the box and its contents has dampened some of the vibration levels in the frame.
Thanks to all who posted.
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Looks like it hangs down enough so you could hang your license plate on it instead of blocking the radiator.
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A license plate on the face of the box below the bumper should work.
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Hey Bob. How you be? Hot and rainy here in DC area. My tool box is full of tools and parts. So is the under seat area. For the front box, I found a cardboard box that exactly fits in the steel box. Perfect for stopping rattles. Under the seat of my 30 Cabby, I have plastic small parts box(Fishing lure box) the little stuff stays in plane view.
I have a list of what is where stored in each site as CRS has set in. You may remember it did many a tour in the A and carried a ton of spares for any occasion. Always carried instant beer and an 8X10 glossy on Momma. Stay well |
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I know one Second Amendment Model A guy that keeps a loaded 1930s pistol there.
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Click on this link it will take you to Bratton's page where it shows how we mounted this box on Walt's pick up.
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That streamlined box of yours looks great. I'm going to see if I can add one to my 32 B |
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Hi Clem, I am fine and it appears Lymphoma is behind me. Long time no see. I am still running trains on my O-gauge railroad, and it occasionally makes me think of you (see photo). It's a scene on my railroad. My Coupe has a significant amount of room under the front seat relative to Model A's that is, but my Victoria has no storage room except for some horse blankets behind the rear seat. So that front apron tool box is Godsend!
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Jim,
I looked on your web site and couldn't find the tool box. And on Mike's A Ford Able, they only list one for the 28-29 models.
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My box came from Mikes and it was for a 1930. Why don’t you give them a call.
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Carl G - I looked at my website www.olympicspeedsters.com and it is truly difficult to navigate and needs improvement by one of my sons. However, I found the tool boxes by clicking on "Gallery" then on "Design and Fabrication" then on "Tool boxes". I hope I can get the site much simplified and also somehow add more images from the hundreds of "How-to", "Design and Fabrication", "Procedures", "Completed Projects", etc. photos. If anyone has suggestions for simplification and improvements for my website, please let me know. Thanks.
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Synchro99- If you put a 3/4" drip lip on the bottom side of the lid, surrounding the box, but not visible when the lid is closed, the rain will drip off the lip and can't get into the box. Then you won't need to make a cover. You should still drill a couple of 1/8" holes in the lowest part of the box, just in case. Weatherstrip on the top edge of the box won't hurt either.
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I put weatherstripping around the top of the box, mainly so the top fits tighter when closed. I never drive in the rain so I can not tell you how "water proof" it is.
The only drawback I have found with this tool box is I can open it without the key, simply by pulling the lid toward me while standing in front of my car. |
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Jim - just wanted to say "Thank You" - I really like your toolbox, and it was just the thing I needed to carry the spare parts & tools that otherwise were taking up space in the passenger area of my car (stuffed inside toolbags), and a lot cheaper than buying a rack & trunk. |
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I contacted Mike’s. The 30-31 has been discontinued. The 28-29 will also be discontinued when current stock is exhausted.
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