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HOTRODPRIMER · 03-16-2018, 09:54 AM

Being new to original 4 cylinder Ford engines and trying to educate myself share with me what you have learned over the years.

This is my introduction to the 4 in a row. HRP

johnneilson · 03-16-2018, 10:22 AM

HRP,

the best advise I can give you is to read and think thru what you will hear.

in a nut shell, "B" motor has larger journals in rotating assembly than the "A".

Fuel pump added, cam marginally better, chamber difference in head are just some details.

Both models are prone to cracking if not properly cared for.

John

Bob C · 03-16-2018, 10:31 AM

Go to Vince's site and scroll down to Engine Mechanical Assembly, a
lot of information on the two engines. http://www.fordgarage.com/

Bob

Jim Brierley · 03-16-2018, 01:04 PM

25% more horsepower in the B.

hardtimes · 03-16-2018, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOTRODPRIMER

Being new to original 4 cylinder Ford engines and trying to educate myself share with me what you have learned over the years.

This is my introduction to the 4 in a row. HRP

Ford built the B to improve on the A. Just like Ford built the flathead V8 to improve. Easy to digest, eh ?
So, logically the B is a better engine for reasons stated. More reasons added, is that Ford added better oiling to B for mains. Ford also added a fuel pump with improved performance under most conditions.
Going from a '32 B engine in you '32 car , to an A engine would be regressive, IMO, unless you got a hot A engine over a stock B engine.
Oh, and red paint adds mph and hp to both A/B !!

daren007 · 03-16-2018, 06:52 PM

The fuel pump was required because the fuel tank was relocated to the rear of the car.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-16-2018, 08:42 PM

Your lower water pipe needs to be turned end for end.

HOTRODPRIMER · 03-16-2018, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Your lower water pipe needs to be turned end for end.

Can you elaborate? HRP

Tom Wesenberg · 03-17-2018, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOTRODPRIMER

Can you elaborate? HRP

Loosen the two clamps, remove the steel pipe and turn it end for end. It's installed backwards now. It'll fit better, and the drain cock will be at the lowest spot.

OK, I was just informed you have a 32, not a Model A, so this pipe isn't correct for your car, and the 32 pipe isn't reproduced. Vince has the correct pipe though.
Here's a like to Vince Falter's website.

http://www.fordgarage.com/

Randy in ca · 03-17-2018, 03:32 AM

Normally what Tom initially said above would be correct, except that it appears that your's has been modified for a heater hose. What does the other side of the engine look like? Definitely not stock carburetor. Also noticed that your vibration damper is not attached to the rear of engine.

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BILL WILLIAMSON · 03-17-2018, 05:20 AM

What is this, so called, "vibration dampener"????
Bill Neverheardofit

daren007 · 03-17-2018, 08:11 AM

Looks attached to me.

Bob C · 03-17-2018, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daren007

Looks attached to me.

The whole arm is missing between the stabilizer and the engine.

Bob

hardtimes · 03-17-2018, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

What is this, so called, "vibration dampener"????
Bill Neverheardofit

Hey Bill,
If you look closely...as old eyes like mine can't do, you will notice that that is not a model a firewall (IMV).
Ford , most likely, thought that the '32 engine would 'feel' like it was operating more smoothly , if it was not transmitting engine vibes thru the frame / vehicle...ergo he added (on firewall) vibration dampener. Someone more familiar and/or owning a '32 car can correct or add to this info if necessary, as I'm not in the class ($ wise) to own a '32, but like many admire Fords change of styling from that of Model A.

BTW...that's if behind the red colored coil cover.
Also, evidently, pic shows 3 bolt waterpump B head, but I'm not convinced that this is not an A block. That does not look like a B oil tube(?). HRP...show other side of block. I think that it is A blk shown (in a '32) and that is why he is asking about A vs B question..no ??

Randy in ca · 03-17-2018, 03:19 PM

Should post this on the Early V8 (1932 to 1953) forum also - there's several experts on the Model B 4 cylinder engines and the differences there.

daren007 · 03-17-2018, 07:13 PM

There appears to be a bracket from the dampener to the top two bell housing bolts as far as I can tell. The breather is a model B.

Bob C · 03-17-2018, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daren007

There appears to be a bracket from the dampener to the top two bell housing bolts as far as I can tell. The breather is a model B.

Are you looking at the red engine??

daren007 · 03-17-2018, 09:23 PM

Sorry. The other one.

03-16-2018, 09:54 AM	#1
HOTRODPRIMER Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Upstate,South Carolina Posts: 447	Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Being new to original 4 cylinder Ford engines and trying to educate myself share with me what you have learned over the years. This is my introduction to the 4 in a row. HRP __________________ ‘When one door closes, another opens. But we often look so regretfully upon the closed door that we don’t see the one which has opened for us.’ Alexander Graham Bell Last edited by HOTRODPRIMER; 03-16-2018 at 09:59 AM.

03-16-2018, 10:22 AM	#2
johnneilson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: 34.22 N 118.36 W Posts: 308	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? HRP, the best advise I can give you is to read and think thru what you will hear. in a nut shell, "B" motor has larger journals in rotating assembly than the "A". Fuel pump added, cam marginally better, chamber difference in head are just some details. Both models are prone to cracking if not properly cared for. John __________________ As Carroll Smith wrote; All Failures are Human in Origin.

03-16-2018, 10:31 AM	#3
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 5,978	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Go to Vince's site and scroll down to Engine Mechanical Assembly, a lot of information on the two engines. http://www.fordgarage.com/ Bob

03-16-2018, 01:04 PM	#4
Jim Brierley Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 2,604	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? 25% more horsepower in the B.

03-16-2018, 06:52 PM	#6
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 341	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? The fuel pump was required because the fuel tank was relocated to the rear of the car.

03-16-2018, 08:42 PM	#7
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,162	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Your lower water pipe needs to be turned end for end.

03-17-2018, 05:20 AM	#11
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,457	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? What is this, so called, "vibration dampener"???? Bill Neverheardofit __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

03-17-2018, 08:11 AM	#12
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 341	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Looks attached to me.

03-17-2018, 03:19 PM	#15
Randy in ca Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,154	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Should post this on the Early V8 (1932 to 1953) forum also - there's several experts on the Model B 4 cylinder engines and the differences there.

03-17-2018, 07:13 PM	#16
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 341	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? There appears to be a bracket from the dampener to the top two bell housing bolts as far as I can tell. The breather is a model B.

03-17-2018, 09:23 PM	#18
daren007 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Saint Cloud Mn Posts: 341	Re: Just what is the difference in the "A" & "B" 4 cylinder Ford engine? Sorry. The other one.

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