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Old 03-17-2019, 10:51 AM   #21
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Default Re: Who Designed And Built The Ford 1904 Model B Car & Engine ?

The engine that was photographed on August 6, 1904, must not have been used in production because they figured out how to screw on the heads to look like what you posted above. You can see the difference in this earlier version with three head bolts.

Most of this has been posted before but it is quite interesting to see how rapidly these designs changed.

The Whitlock Coil Pipe Co. radiator was used from the beginning and it seems to have been introduced to the trade in June 1903. Packard picked it up too. It probably came as a radiator/fan unit and a "drop on the car" item for Ford. I think it used a "spring belt" if I remember correctly.

Interesting how they took the foot feed fuel pedal off the August 6, 1904, car and it took 24 years to put it back on the Model A. Some things were not fast at Ford!
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Old 03-19-2019, 06:53 PM   #22
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Default Re: Who Designed And Built The Ford 1904 Model B Car & Engine ?

If you want a different perspective about the early years of automobile evolution, check out "Cadillac, The complete seventy-year history", by Maurice Hendry. I agree with the Dodge brothers involvement with the engines etc., but Cadillac and Ford had common problems that required outside suppliers. Leland and Falconer were building superior engines in 1904 and Ford was having mechanical issues with Dodge furnished units. How much shared or stolen design information was used back then makes for some interesting reading. I have a 1904 Cadillac, one cylinder, copper jacketed engine and the early designs are very similar.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:23 AM   #23
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Leland had been around for a long time and was advanced in age when they decided to take over the defunct Henry Ford Company. He had worked for Brown & Sharpe and Colt so he was well acquainted with precision measuring instruments and manufacturing. Leland & Faulconer and the Dodge Brothers both made parts for Ransom Olds. They were involved in engine manufacturing as well since they had a foundry of their own. Henry Ford had gotten a good start in setting up the plant for the Henry Ford Co (HFC) before he had a falling out with the money men. The equipment worked well for the manufacture of the Cadillac cars that followed. There is similarity in Oldsmobile, Ford, and Cadillac engine design due to the buy out of HFC and their previous work for Oldsmobile and the Detroit Automobile Company. The Dodge Brothers supplied Oldsmobile engines as well so they had similar patterns.

This link has a photo of Leland & Faulconer Manufacturing turning out engines.
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016816767/

This one is better:
https://www.shorpy.com/node/17496

This one has illustrations of the Model B and some of the model A & C design 2-cylinder engine for those that haven't seen them.
http://www.mtfca.com/books/1904.htm

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