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Old 11-09-2013, 09:30 PM   #21
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Has anyone tried the new Gibbs brand Carb Defender yet - it is an additive to counter ethanol . It seems pricey at $10 per 8oz bottle - though 1 bottle is supposed to treat 10 gal
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:43 PM   #22
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Has anyone tried the new Gibbs brand Carb Defender yet - it is an additive to counter ethanol . It seems pricey at $10 per 8oz bottle - though 1 bottle is supposed to treat 10 gal
Wow. That product should be an excellent treatment to prevent that ugly swelling and stretching you see happen to otherwise good leather wallets.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:02 AM   #23
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There are a fair amount of complex hydrocarbons that go into the final batch of fuel that you buy from the pump. Some are very light distillates and some are gasses then there are the complex processes that make the naphtha more efficient in the burn. Some of these processes use catalysts in the conversion and none of the mix gets along well with water. Internal combustion engines don't run well on water contaminated fuel. If you want to take your already less than spectacular fuel and contaminate it further then be my guest but you may notice that the vehicle doesn't run as well as it should and it will likely get unstable even faster than it already does by normal absorption of moisture from natural condensation in the tank.
Don't worry about "water contaminated fuel" If this were a problem, it would begin when the fuel is shipped through a pipeline. These underground pipelines always have some water in them but it's not a big deal. The oil companies let the water settle out, then you buy this very same gas at the local station without worrying about any of the problems you mention.
However fuel containing ethanol cannot be shipped through pipelines as the ethanol will absorb any water in the pipeline and now you will have contaminated fuel.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:24 AM   #24
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So what are you guys going to do with the water/ethanol mix? Dump it on the ground? Further contaminate the soil and groundwater?

You guy are making mountains out of molehills regarding ethanol. Sure, it may not be the best of fuels, but for the near future you will have it and you should deal with it by fixing your cars so it won't hurt them. This means new gaskets in the carb, new hoses and changing any other rubber parts that are subject to the fuel.

If a new tank is required because you used a liner material that the ethanol eats it, its time for a new tank.
Hear. Hear. And/or just use an ethanol treatment like Lucas or Sta-Bil. Tell the oil importers to eat their oil and we'll burn our corn. Seems like a great solution to more than one problem. I just love the thought of an Ayatolla (sp?) drinking a big stein or petroleum. Toast.
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:42 AM   #25
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Through the years I have worked on polluted sites hauling away dirty dirt to a asphalt
plant where like you said it was rum through the Blast furnace Then we took it to a landfill to use for cover.

The real shame is that & it happen in several cases.the site becommes clean the moment the $$$$ drys up.

One job in particular I left with my load the area reeked of raw gas. Two Hr. round trip, got back and although the smell was still there the site was given a clean bill of health.And with that they sent us home with only a part day's work.

So to solve the problem they built low income houses on top of it, GO FIGURE!!!!!!!
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:56 AM   #26
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Boy, sounds like a can of worms! I don't know about other states but here in N.Y. State, ( land of taxes and regulations ) I've gone to my local Marinas to purchase non ethanol, Nope, NYS has now forced the Marinas to pump only ethanol gas. Tried local Airports, no success! However went to local "Speed store in Riverhead, N.Y. and they sell a 5 gal can for slightly over $60.00 a can. About $12.00 per gal. I know, I know, but how many miles do you drive your "baby" a year. Oh, yes I did try many service stations within a 50 mile radius of my home. No dice!!
"THEY" just want to line their pockets and take us off of the roads! OMO!

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Old 11-10-2013, 10:23 AM   #27
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Has anyone tried the new Gibbs brand Carb Defender yet - it is an additive to counter ethanol . It seems pricey at $10 per 8oz bottle - though 1 bottle is supposed to treat 10 gal
This adds $1.50 per gallon to a tank of gas. G.M.
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:35 AM   #28
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Boy, sounds like a can of worms! I don't know about other states but here in N.Y. State, ( land of taxes and regulations ) I've gone to my local Marinas to purchase non ethanol, Nope, NYS has now forced the Marinas to pump only ethanol gas. Tried local Airports, no success! However went to local "Speed store in Riverhead, N.Y. and they sell a 5 gal can for slightly over $60.00 a can. About $12.00 per gal. I know, I know, but how many miles do you drive your "baby" a year. Oh, yes I did try many service stations within a 50 mile radius of my home. No dice!!
"THEY" just want to line their pockets and take us off of the roads! OMO!

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Rich I just Googled non ethanol gas NY and found 150 stations in NY that sell it. G.M.
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:39 AM   #29
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Sounds like killing a mouse with a sledgehammer.

Is anyone prepared to do this experiment with 15 or more gallons for a tankful?

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Old 12-16-2013, 11:04 PM   #30
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Here is a list of non-oxygenated gas stations...

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

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Old 12-17-2013, 08:25 AM   #31
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I had problems with the gas in my boat filter. The ethanol was mixing with water in the gas and settling at the bottom of the fuel filter like a melted wax consistency and sounding the alarms causing me to change 15.00 fuel filters periodically. It cause Hell in the boating world. JMO.
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Old 12-17-2013, 08:59 AM   #32
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Around here you dump leftover fuels and whatever on mesquite trees. They are a bigger problem than polluting the soil.
Mesquite Trees are a nuisance for you folks down in the southwest because you're trying to inhabit land that can't really support it, but they aren't polluting the soil.

Dumping an ethanol (and whatever) mixture on the ground is straight up polluting.

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...You guy are making mountains out of molehills regarding ethanol. Sure, it may not be the best of fuels, but for the near future you will have it and you should deal with it by fixing your cars so it won't hurt them. This means new gaskets in the carb, new hoses and changing any other rubber parts that are subject to the fuel.

If a new tank is required because you used a liner material that the ethanol eats it, its time for a new tank.
Bingo.

Ethanol is not the Anti-Christ. Update the materials in your fuel system accordingly, tweak your engine's carb and ignition settings, and live a happy life.

Sure, it may burn a negligible amount of additional fuel, but given the number of miles the average Ford Barner drives his/her car, that's really a moot point. You'll wind up saving money by not having to deal with the outrageously expensive additives, aviation or "racing" fuels, or hokey ethanol removal practices.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #33
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If it hasn't already been said, check this website. you may find an alcohol-free station near you http://pure-gas.org/
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:54 PM   #34
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Don't worry about "water contaminated fuel" If this were a problem, it would begin when the fuel is shipped through a pipeline. These underground pipelines always have some water in them but it's not a big deal. The oil companies let the water settle out, then you buy this very same gas at the local station without worrying about any of the problems you mention.
However fuel containing ethanol cannot be shipped through pipelines as the ethanol will absorb any water in the pipeline and now you will have contaminated fuel.
They ship the fuel thru the pipeline and then add the ethanol at the terminal.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:09 PM   #35
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1963turnerjohn>>>$10 per 8oz bottle - though 1 bottle is supposed to treat 10 gal >>>

GM>>>This adds $1.50 per gallon to a tank of gas.>>>

GM

I think you showed remarkable restraint in explaining yourself to Bill. However, I'm afraid all those pent-up emotions seem to have affected your arithmetic prowess. So, don't hold back. tell us how you really feel. 8^)

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Old 12-17-2013, 08:11 PM   #36
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I seem to remember a politician saying "If you like your gas you can keep your gas - ."
or maybe that was my wife......
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:21 PM   #37
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If it hasn't already been said, check this website. you may find an alcohol-free station near you http://pure-gas.org/
I just check mine here in WV. Just my luck all of them a long ways off
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:40 PM   #38
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:03 AM   #39
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I just check mine here in WV. Just my luck all of them a long ways off
That website is not all-inclusive. It's wholly dependent upon regular folks adding/updating station information.

For example nearly every, if not all, stations in Iowa will have pumps serving non-ethanol 87. There are a LOT of stations that don't show up on the website.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:14 PM   #40
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I think I will try it...then I can throw the gas away and have some mighty fine sipping Hooch left behind. no LOL here !!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, would that be called etho-jack? Sounds similar to how we used to let cider freeze in a keg with the cork or plug down, then ciphon off what remained liquid - aka APPLEJACK - some might potent sippin' stuff indeed. Don't think I'd want to try it with gasoline though. . .
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