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Old 10-24-2018, 07:20 AM   #1
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I am building a TT and would like to post pictures, descriptions, and get advice along the way. I am not a mechanic and I am fairly new to T's, so this is basically a learning experience for me. This seems like a good forum to post it because with my thread on firing order I found friendly, helpful, knowledgeable people read this forum.


I started the description and pictures on another forum where the T people were friendly and knowledgeable, but it devolved as posters felt they had to inject their religious and political views. Back in my day people were not rude enough to try to force their beliefs on others, those times seem to have changed to where you have to decide if someone's religious and political beliefs jive with one's own in order to determine if you like them or not. Be that as it may, I left that forum, I am building a TT not discussing religion and politics. Please, if you have some religious and political observations do not post them here.

I have three T's! One is a TT with a top speed of 15 mph, converted to a limo, and I have given hundreds of rides in it. Another is a speedster which will run 60 mph, has 4 wheel hydraulic disc brakes, and is my daily driver is the temp is over 40* and it is not raining.

The third is the subject of this thread. It is a TT which I took down to the chassis. I intend to build it into a reliable, road worthy vehicle which will run 45 mph safely.

So far I have painted the chassis, installed a rebuilt Ruckstell rear with 5:1 gears, installed a Warford, and got the engine in place. The engine had been rebuilt a while ago, I have installed a Z head, a high volume intake with a Stromberg OF, coilbox with rebuilt coils 3 starters (one at a time), a generator grounded so it won't burn up, and an I Timer.


It runs very well, I have a hose set up to flow water through the head while it is running and I have run it about thirty minutes, mostly while adjusting the carburetor and timer.


there is much left to do, some days I get no time to work on it, but it is a learning experience with no set time to finish. At my present rate it will probably take a couple of years!


The next project is to install a magneto accessory oiler. Ford had an internal oiler with a funnel to catch oil and pipe it to the front of the engine. This can get blocked so accessory oilers were very popular, there were many varieties. The magneto accessory oiler replaces the magneto post with a combination magneto post and oil pick up. The oil is directed to the front of the engine externally. I will post pictures as I go along.


The following pictures show where the build is now. There is so much to do that I find it easy to get confused and overwhelmed. I just try to do a little at a time, right now I am trying to get everything exactly right on the engine before I put in the firewall and radiator.
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:12 AM   #2
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This is a fairly easy install, especially if the engine is accessible just sitting on the frame. The magneto is removed and one with a hole for the pick up replaces it. Then a bolt from the front of the engine is removed and replaced with a hollow bolt that accepts the copper tubing that carries the oil. the copper tubing has to be bent appropriately and I sure wish I had a tubing bender! but I got it by hand.


This engine has no magneto, it has slingers for the oil, so it should move a lot of oil. I haven't tested it yet, that is next, then if it does move a lot of oil I will connect the tubing to the discharge point in the front of the engine.

The only problem I had was that the magneto pick up did not have the outlet pointed correctly when I tightened it up. I had to add a layer of gasket material and Permatex black to make it correct.

And I do not understand why they use an elbow at the magneto pick up, wouldn't a straight fitting move more oil due to less resistance?

I hope to find time to test it with the engine running later today.
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:28 AM   #3
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She started and ran no problem. I ran her about a minute at 1000 - 1500 rpm and no oil came out the tubing. So I removed the tubing and tried again. No oil comes out of the magneto pick up.

This is an easy installation, I didn't miss any steps, I don't understand why it does not work.

One step forward, two steps back.
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Old 10-25-2018, 12:21 PM   #4
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May it only gets oil with the original mag in place??
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:51 PM   #5
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You stated that the mag (magnets) were removed & slingers installed. This should move a lot of oil. Try removing the mag plug entirely & run the engine - oil should come out the open hole profusely. Maybe the new mag plug is defective or the elbow is going in too far & blocking the oil passage??
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:08 PM   #6
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Try to re-position that magneto plug. You really need to have the outlet point exactly to the driver's side, not rearward as it is now.


The oil is slung up and in concentric with the hogshead, so that oil is throwing itself to the left......


On my '27 used a straight exten. to clear the brackets that go from the hogshead to the frame. Then a elbow to fit the tube down the side of the motor to the front plate.
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Old 10-26-2018, 01:52 AM   #7
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Reading y'alls recommendations and giving it more thought, I think I know the problem. Oil runs along the top of the hogshead from right to left basically like a small river. A scoop would help catch this flow and direct it into the magneto. But look at the picture below. Not only is there no scoop, but the threads on the replacement post extend 1/4" into the hogshead. This would act as a dam so the only oil picked up by the replacement post would be that shot directly into it from below.


So I could cut the bottom off the replacement post to match the original in length.


Or I could add washers so the replacement post only goes as deep as the original.

Or... I could cut the threads off the righthand side of the replacement post, leaving the left to act as a dam.


I think we have found the problem and solution.
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:57 PM   #8
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Mine doesn't pick up much oil cold. But when warm, it flows an annoying amount if you have a leak.

I think you'll find a way to make it work better
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Old 10-30-2018, 09:59 PM   #9
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Fire wall in.
Water pump in.


I haven't found much time to work on it, but the radiator should go in soon. Then I can listen to her run anytime!
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Old 10-30-2018, 10:01 PM   #10
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Another attempt to post pictures.
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:48 AM   #11
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The steering box mounts on the bottom of the frame, but also has a bolt that goes through the mount, through a wood block, and then through the side of the frame. I think the wood block helps keep the box from twisting.


Does anyone have the part number for the key that goes in the end of the steering and the arm that attaches to it?
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Old 11-01-2018, 07:31 AM   #12
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Wood block for steering box installed, no problem!

The radiator, sheesh. The frame had a couple of bolts in the frame for mounting the radiator. They fed through the bottom and would not be easy to remove, so I decided to leave them in place and use them to bolt down the lower cover, radiator, and shroud. Big mistake, they were too short. I wrestled with all the parts and pieces including the radiator hose and top support rod from the firewall to the top of the radiator. What an aggravation. After two hours of trying to figure the problem out I removed everything and got a couple of studs from another radiator removal. The correct studs are 1 1/2" longer than the bolts shown. Using the correct studs the installation took about 15 minutes.


Hopefully I will find time tomorrow to add coolant and fire her up!
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Old 11-10-2018, 01:09 PM   #13
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The firewall and radiator are in, no leaks! It runs very smoothly with the Stromberg OF now that I have it adjusted.

I am proud of the engine, it looks good with oversize intake, OF, and Z head. the coils are recently rebuilt and it has an I Timer. the water pump is necessary for this particular radiator which does not cool well.

Mechanically I am shooting for a very sound vehicle, cosmetically is a different story. Notice the finish on the firewall, radiator shroud, and steering. They were rough and I put clear coat on them. Ellie Mae is to be a Beverly Hillbilles vehicle!
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:56 AM   #14
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Does anyone have the part number for the key that goes in the end of the steering and the arm that attaches to it?

"T-3548" is the part number if snyders is to be believed.
https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/pitman-arm-key
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