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Werner · 01-20-2019, 06:28 PM

Hello,

I need a little bit help. I want to optimise the front brakes. Is it o. k., if I use only thisone
https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...-aa-truck.html

or must I have other wedges too?

Thank you for helpin' in advance.

Purdy Swoft · 01-20-2019, 07:17 PM

The original type front lower brake wedge is used with that type floater

Synchro909 · 01-20-2019, 07:27 PM

Ditto Purdy.
Werner, you need nothing more than what is shown but to get the most out of them And your brakes in general, make sure the whole system, especially your tracks and rollers are in good condition.

nick c · 01-20-2019, 07:40 PM

That kit might help some, but it does not allow the rear shoe to energize the front shoe when going forward, that means the top adjusting wedge is made in two pieces. Look at other suppliers like Snyders and Mikes to get a better idea of whats in other kits. Hope other that know much more than I will reply.

wmws · 01-21-2019, 02:49 PM

As Nick C said you need the top adjusting wedge to get the rear shoe to energize the front shoe. I would look at the Flat Head Ted system. And make sure you have cast iron drums.

Werner · 01-21-2019, 03:39 PM

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Hello,

thanks at all for hints.

I do not understand "casting steel" drums. What is the different to other drums?

Purdy Swoft · 01-21-2019, 04:11 PM

The original brake drums were steel until sometimes in 1931 , I think that Ford then started using cast iron . Steel drums are thinner . The thicker cast iron drums are stronger and don't expand like the steel drums can . Cast iron drums are the better drum of choice . Good reproduction cast iron drums are available .

nick c · 01-21-2019, 04:17 PM

If your drums are original stock drums, they are made of pressed steel, all modern drums are made of cast iron which is porous and they diapate heat, they don't expand when they get hot.

Werner · 01-21-2019, 04:40 PM

O. k., that is understod.

But how I can see on my car the different between "steel" and "cast steel"?

160B · 01-21-2019, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Werner

O. k., that is understod.

But how I can see on my car the different between "steel" and "cast steel"?

The steel drum has a rolled edge at the outer diameter and the cast iron drum is solid at the outer diameter, see attached photo. Cast Iron drum on the left, steel drum on the right.

Werner · 01-22-2019, 03:50 PM

I am not sure. But I think, the original drums are dead and the service parts after 1931 are only "cast steel".

I have ordered the set by MAC's.

updraught · 01-22-2019, 05:19 PM

You may want to hold that order until you understand about the machining involved.

As you need rear hubs, the hubs have to be swedged to the drums (wheel studs hammered in) and the drums then machined and trued. The brake linings then need to be machined to the size of the drum.

Unless you have someone local to you it "may" be better to get all these pieces from Randy.
He should be able to supply good second hand hubs mated to the drums with shoes ready to go.

The rears fit in a box about 12x12x12 inches for shiipping, and the fronts the same.
The boxes are quite heavy though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbWsOSU3lJ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHyzjBxEVh0

01-20-2019, 06:28 PM	#1
Werner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany, near Aachen Posts: 1,158	Front brake floater, Roadster Hello, I need a little bit help. I want to optimise the front brakes. Is it o. k., if I use only thisone https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...-aa-truck.html or must I have other wedges too? Thank you for helpin' in advance. __________________ Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version

01-20-2019, 07:17 PM	#2
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster The original type front lower brake wedge is used with that type floater

01-20-2019, 07:27 PM	#3
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster Ditto Purdy. Werner, you need nothing more than what is shown but to get the most out of them And your brakes in general, make sure the whole system, especially your tracks and rollers are in good condition. __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

01-20-2019, 07:40 PM	#4
nick c Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 260	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster That kit might help some, but it does not allow the rear shoe to energize the front shoe when going forward, that means the top adjusting wedge is made in two pieces. Look at other suppliers like Snyders and Mikes to get a better idea of whats in other kits. Hope other that know much more than I will reply.

01-21-2019, 02:49 PM	#5
wmws BANNED Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Coatesville, Pa Posts: 719	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster As Nick C said you need the top adjusting wedge to get the rear shoe to energize the front shoe. I would look at the Flat Head Ted system. And make sure you have cast iron drums.

01-21-2019, 04:11 PM	#7
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster The original brake drums were steel until sometimes in 1931 , I think that Ford then started using cast iron . Steel drums are thinner . The thicker cast iron drums are stronger and don't expand like the steel drums can . Cast iron drums are the better drum of choice . Good reproduction cast iron drums are available . Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 01-21-2019 at 04:16 PM.

01-21-2019, 04:17 PM	#8
nick c Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 260	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster If your drums are original stock drums, they are made of pressed steel, all modern drums are made of cast iron which is porous and they diapate heat, they don't expand when they get hot.

01-21-2019, 04:40 PM	#9
Werner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany, near Aachen Posts: 1,158	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster O. k., that is understod. But how I can see on my car the different between "steel" and "cast steel"? __________________ Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version

01-22-2019, 03:50 PM	#11
Werner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Germany, near Aachen Posts: 1,158	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster I am not sure. But I think, the original drums are dead and the service parts after 1931 are only "cast steel". I have ordered the set by MAC's. __________________ Beste Gruesse aus Deutschland, Werner Ford Model A, Roadster, 1928 Citroen 11 CV, 1947 Hercules W 2000, 1976; (with NSU-Wankel Rotary Engine), Canadian version

01-22-2019, 05:19 PM	#12
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,971	Re: Front brake floater, Roadster You may want to hold that order until you understand about the machining involved. As you need rear hubs, the hubs have to be swedged to the drums (wheel studs hammered in) and the drums then machined and trued. The brake linings then need to be machined to the size of the drum. Unless you have someone local to you it "may" be better to get all these pieces from Randy. He should be able to supply good second hand hubs mated to the drums with shoes ready to go. The rears fit in a box about 12x12x12 inches for shiipping, and the fronts the same. The boxes are quite heavy though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbWsOSU3lJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHyzjBxEVh0 Last edited by updraught; 01-22-2019 at 08:12 PM. Reason: add video