The Ford Barn

Tod · 08-26-2019, 04:59 PM

This is the first B head at my new iron foundry. The last foundry didn't have quality control so they had to go. Winfields, Thomas, and blocks are all slated to be cast.

Tod

KUDZUVIPER · 08-26-2019, 05:20 PM

Looking good Tod. What will be the standard compression ratio? will spark plugs be tapped/sizes? and finally, cost?

Dodge · 08-26-2019, 09:20 PM

Tod, excellent. Looks like you really nailed the crows foot combustion chamber.

lsr490 · 08-27-2019, 02:18 AM

Very nice

Tod · 08-30-2019, 12:40 PM

I picked this head up from the foundry today. It is very nice, especially for the first sample. They mentioned being very interested in sampling an engine block asap. I have quite a few Winfield heads and iron Thomas heads to make as well.

Tod

Beater · 08-30-2019, 06:23 PM

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as you have seen on FB, im in for one this winter

Beater · 09-02-2019, 11:37 AM

got lucky on the bottom to

noyo55 · 09-05-2019, 11:02 PM

I’m also ready when you get into production. I see that you cast. ‘C” into it. Since it’s higher compression might be more appropriate if it was “C+” ?h

Charlie Stephens · 09-05-2019, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by noyo55

I’m also ready when you get into production. I see that you cast. ‘C” into it. Since it’s higher compression might be more appropriate if it was “C+” ?h

Since I would like it to look stock under the hood I would prefer just the "C".

Charlie Stephens

Purdy Swoft · 09-06-2019, 11:09 AM

That's a good thought, Charley !!!

noyo55 · 09-07-2019, 05:02 PM

Just joking about the C+ guys. Don’t take your selves so seriously !!

lsr490 · 10-01-2019, 04:47 AM

Just checking in for a little progress report.
Thanks

Beater · 10-01-2019, 10:41 AM

I was wondering how things were going. I was in for a B head, not sure now. whats stalling me out is how hard it is to get a water pump for a reasonable price for the B. should make a true B head that takes an A waterpump

Charlie Stephens · 10-01-2019, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beater

I was wondering how things were going. I was in for a B head, not sure now. whats stalling me out is how hard it is to get a water pump for a reasonable price for the B. should make a true B head that takes an A waterpump

What you are asking for is a high compression Model A head and that is already available in a configuration that is better than the original 1932 to 1934 head. Tod is definitely going down the right path with this project. His head will let the Model B owners run a stock appearing but high compression head in the their vehicles. Previously the 1932 Ford owners could run a high compression Model A head and use the Model A water pump (it places the fan belt in the correct location). The owners of the 1933-34 vehicles had a different problem. The water pump used on the 1933-34 four cylinder cars was shorter to allow for the slope of the radiator (see attached photo). This will give them a high compression head for their vehicles.

Charlie Stephens

Tod · 10-01-2019, 07:16 PM

More castings are ready to be made.

Tod

JRN1967 · 10-02-2019, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod

More castings are ready to be made.

Tod

Tod, I noticed in a past thread that you have a Mazak in your shop. Just wondering if you use it to make this B head?

Tod · 10-02-2019, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JRN1967

Tod, I noticed in a past thread that you have a Mazak in your shop. Just wondering if you use it to make this B head?

I'm not sure which Mazak you mean, but I am currently running all cylinder heads in my Toyoda Horizontal Machining Center. My new fixture design allows me to make heads with less set ups. I cut it from 3 to 2 set ups. In my new Mazak HMC I will be able to make blocks in 2 set ups as well.

Tod

JRN1967 · 10-02-2019, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tod

In my new Mazak HMC I will be able to make blocks in 2 set ups as well.

Tod

I work tech support in the Northeast, it's good to read your Mazak's are part of the process.

John

Beater · 10-02-2019, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

What you are asking for is a high compression Model A head and that is already available in a configuration that is better than the original 1932 to 1934 head. Tod is definitely going down the right path with this project. His head will let the Model B owners run a stock appearing but high compression head in the their vehicles. Previously the 1932 Ford owners could run a high compression Model A head and use the Model A water pump (it places the fan belt in the correct location). The owners of the 1933-34 vehicles had a different problem. The water pump used on the 1933-34 four cylinder cars was shorter to allow for the slope of the radiator (see attached photo). This will give them a high compression head for their vehicles.

Charlie Stephens

yes get that, I guess I can use a A head on the B block. well here is a question for the maker, Tod. if I drill the extra steam holes in the A heads that you make, will I run into the water passage or is it to thick in that area to be able to hit the water passage?

Tod · 10-03-2019, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Beater

yes get that, I guess I can use a A head on the B block. well here is a question for the maker, Tod. if I drill the extra steam holes in the A heads that you make, will I run into the water passage or is it to thick in that area to be able to hit the water passage?

It should be no problem hitting the water passage.

Tod

Beater · 10-04-2019, 11:58 AM

thanks very much for the info

walls · 10-05-2019, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

What you are asking for is a high compression Model A head and that is already available in a configuration that is better than the original 1932 to 1934 head. Tod is definitely going down the right path with this project. His head will let the Model B owners run a stock appearing but high compression head in the their vehicles. Previously the 1932 Ford owners could run a high compression Model A head and use the Model A water pump (it places the fan belt in the correct location). The owners of the 1933-34 vehicles had a different problem. The water pump used on the 1933-34 four cylinder cars was shorter to allow for the slope of the radiator (see attached photo). This will give them a high compression head for their vehicles.

Charlie Stephens

Just in case someone was interested, I saw this on Dan4banger site
Looks pricey but nice

Beater · 10-05-2019, 08:23 PM

oh the pumps are out there. just not really wanting to pay what the asking prices are. I can but a HC aluminum A head for the asking price of some of the B waterpumps

johnneilson · 10-05-2019, 09:08 PM

an alternative might be a V8 pump on an adaptor.

Tod · 10-06-2019, 08:12 AM

I'm planning on a water pump also.

Tod

Beater · 10-06-2019, 12:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnneilson

an alternative might be a V8 pump on an adaptor.

I have not seen an adapter for a V8 pump for the B head. yes for the A head

Beater · 10-06-2019, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod

I'm planning on a water pump also.

Tod

very glad to hear it

Purdy Swoft · 10-07-2019, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Beater

I have not seen an adapter for a V8 pump for the B head. yes for the A head

pump
The best that I recall , the B pump and the V eight pumps have the same three bolt pattern .

Beater · 10-08-2019, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

pump
The best that I recall , the B pump and the V eight pumps have the same three bolt pattern .

interesting ive not seen one used on the B head tho must be able to do it tho

lsr490 · 12-03-2019, 12:40 PM

How are things progressing?

Tod · 12-04-2019, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lsr490

How are things progressing?

I will be pouring a half dozen iron B heads within a week or 2 along with more iron engine blocks. Pouring B heads, Winfield heads, and blocks. Doing more Thomas in iron and aluminum soon also. My regular work load has been extremely busy so things tend to slow down when I can't put my hands on them.

Tod

lsr490 · 01-29-2020, 02:30 PM

Just checking in for a little progress report.
Thanks

Tod · 01-29-2020, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsr490

Just checking in for a little progress report.
Thanks

Prepping to make a half dozen castings right now. Making Winfield heads, B heads, Thomas iron heads, and aluminum 5 main blocks and 3 main iron A blocks. Lots going on.

Tod

DavidG · 01-29-2020, 08:04 PM

Whomever thinks that B water pumps are hard to come by and/or expensive may not be looking in the right places.

lsr490 · 01-30-2020, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod

Prepping to make a half dozen castings right now. Making Winfield heads, B heads, Thomas iron heads, and aluminum 5 main blocks and 3 main iron A blocks. Lots going on.

Tod

Thanks again.
Your hard work is much appreciated

Tod · 01-31-2020, 10:44 AM

Before starting to run heads for Snyder this morning, I threw the very first aluminum B head sample in the head fixture so I could locate my X,Y, Z home offset position and get ready to write the program for machining it. I expect to have some iron heads in a few weeks so I can get heads to the first people that are wanting these.

Other projects inching nearer to full production are Model A engine blocks (casting 5 main aluminum right now and have sand at the iron foundry to make stock 3 main blocks), Winfield heads, iron Thomas heads, and iron OHV heads. I have sand to cast a sample iron OHV in the shop right now. I am also considering making an aluminum 6:1 Snyder head sample to see if there is any market for Don to sell some of those. I already have the pattern cut.

Since the first 3 main iron engine block has already been built and run I will be sending it to be installed in a test vehicle and run around on the roads.

I also have aluminum dual-plug heads to make asap. The first sample is ready to machine.

Tod

Tod · 01-31-2020, 02:09 PM

Here is that aluminum B head sitting on a 5 main aluminum block.

Tod

08-26-2019, 05:20 PM	#2
KUDZUVIPER Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: South Elgin, IL/MID-MO Posts: 714	Re: B head sample. Looking good Tod. What will be the standard compression ratio? will spark plugs be tapped/sizes? and finally, cost?

08-26-2019, 09:20 PM	#3
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,495	Re: B head sample. Tod, excellent. Looks like you really nailed the crows foot combustion chamber.

08-27-2019, 02:18 AM	#4
lsr490 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: RTP North Carolina Posts: 68	Re: B head sample. Very nice

08-30-2019, 12:40 PM	#5
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: B head sample. I picked this head up from the foundry today. It is very nice, especially for the first sample. They mentioned being very interested in sampling an engine block asap. I have quite a few Winfield heads and iron Thomas heads to make as well. Tod

08-30-2019, 06:23 PM	#6
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: B head sample. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) as you have seen on FB, im in for one this winter

09-02-2019, 11:37 AM	#7
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: B head sample. got lucky on the bottom to

09-05-2019, 11:02 PM	#8
noyo55 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 75	Re: B head sample. I’m also ready when you get into production. I see that you cast. ‘C” into it. Since it’s higher compression might be more appropriate if it was “C+” ?h

09-06-2019, 11:09 AM	#10
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: B head sample. That's a good thought, Charley !!!

09-07-2019, 05:02 PM	#11
noyo55 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 75	Re: B head sample. Just joking about the C+ guys. Don’t take your selves so seriously !!

10-01-2019, 04:47 AM	#12
lsr490 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: RTP North Carolina Posts: 68	Re: B head sample. Just checking in for a little progress report. Thanks

10-01-2019, 10:41 AM	#13
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: B head sample. I was wondering how things were going. I was in for a B head, not sure now. whats stalling me out is how hard it is to get a water pump for a reasonable price for the B. should make a true B head that takes an A waterpump

10-01-2019, 07:16 PM	#15
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: B head sample. More castings are ready to be made. Tod

10-04-2019, 11:58 AM	#21
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: B head sample. thanks very much for the info

10-05-2019, 08:23 PM	#23
Beater Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 582	Re: B head sample. oh the pumps are out there. just not really wanting to pay what the asking prices are. I can but a HC aluminum A head for the asking price of some of the B waterpumps

10-05-2019, 09:08 PM	#24
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10-06-2019, 08:12 AM	#25
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: B head sample. I'm planning on a water pump also. Tod

12-03-2019, 12:40 PM	#30
lsr490 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: RTP North Carolina Posts: 68	Re: B head sample. How are things progressing?

01-29-2020, 02:30 PM	#32
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01-29-2020, 08:04 PM	#34
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: B head sample. Whomever thinks that B water pumps are hard to come by and/or expensive may not be looking in the right places.