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Old 11-03-2020, 10:06 AM   #1
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So many Model A's and so many Airplanes on FordBarn. As a retired airline mechanic with a '31 PicUp -- I love this web site! I've read some excellent advise found here.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:12 AM   #2
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Fitzpatrick - have some looks.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:27 AM   #3
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I suspect that's a Junkers 52-3M?
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Curtiss Jenny at Rhinebeck NY.
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Yes Katy,

that's a Hugo Junkers "Tante Ju" 52. It is placed in Moenchengladbach and should be able - perhaps - to fly again in 2022.

Next picture is a Fokke Wulff "Stieglitz" (Goldfinch). Stationed in Aachen Merzbrück. The motorcycle is a BMW 350 cm³ for message riders.
All W. W. II.

Last picture shows a Dassault Mirage 2000. Parked in Spa de la Sauveniere in Belgium.
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Old 11-03-2020, 03:37 PM   #6
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Some of my pictures with planes.
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Old 11-03-2020, 04:10 PM   #7
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I had [ should still have but can't find] a couple of pics of the roadster and a friends '30 PU with a J-3 and a J-2. I'll post em if I find em.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:29 PM   #8
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I traded an airplane for my '30 Tudor. The plane was a "Pietenpol Air Camper", designed by a farmer in Minnesota in the 20s, and originally outfitted with a Ford Model A engine. Many people still build/fly them that way today.
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Old 11-04-2020, 08:00 AM   #9
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I traded an airplane for my '30 Tudor. The plane was a "Pietenpol Air Camper", designed by a farmer in Minnesota in the 20s, and originally outfitted with a Ford Model A engine. Many people still build/fly them that way today.



There recently was quite a discussion on them. That pic shows one of those super special Ford A engines. smiley face

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Old 11-04-2020, 10:32 AM   #10
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I had [ should still have but can't find] a couple of pics of the roadster and a friends '30 PU with a J-3 and a J-2. I'll post em if I find em.
A real J-2? In Gene Smith's book "What They were Like to Fly" he said. there were less than a dozen on the registry. I had one of them parked next to me at the now defunct "Twin Pines" airport in Ewing , NJ. In talking with the owner, I found out that in Colorado and some other states with a lot of altitude, after 9 am it was almost impossible to get out of "ground effect" I believe it had a 36 HP engine. That should tell you something!
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... I found out that in Colorado and some other states with a lot of altitude, after 9 am it was almost impossible to get out of "ground effect" I believe it had a 36 HP engine. That should tell you something!
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Sounds like a useless place to have that airplane.

I took off out of Denver in a 152 once at near gross weight in February. (ferry flight) I probably used 4,000 feet of runway and was at Vy doing maybe 150fpm climbing out. There's no substitute for excess hp at high altitude. Or a turbocharger. On that same trip I did have it up briefly to 12,000 to clear Wolf Creek Pass, so you can get up there if you have the time to climb.
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Sounds like a useless place to have that airplane.

I took off out of Denver in a 152 once at near gross weight in February. (ferry flight) I probably used 4,000 feet of runway and was at Vy doing maybe 150fpm climbing out. There's no substitute for excess hp at high altitude. Or a turbocharger. On that same trip I did have it up briefly to 12,000 to clear Wolf Creek Pass, so you can get up there if you have the time to climb.
As I recall the conversation, It was in spring and the weather was much warmer. Taking off earlier when the air was cooler and denser was the only solution. I remember something else odd about the the plane, It was built by Piper, but the gauges were all marked Taylor. Taylor had been flooded or something and had sold everything to Piper. As I recall, the J 2 was originally a Taylor, not Piper.
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Old 11-04-2020, 04:02 PM   #13
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A real J-2? In Gene Smith's book "What They were Like to Fly" he said. there were less than a dozen on the registry. I had one of them parked next to me at the now defunct "Twin Pines" airport in Ewing , NJ. In talking with the owner, I found out that in Colorado and some other states with a lot of altitude, after 9 am it was almost impossible to get out of "ground effect" I believe it had a 36 HP engine. That should tell you something!
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It was a real 1937 Taylor J2 with a Cont 37 HP engine. I seem to remember it should have the 40 HP. It was a real handful. I strapped my fanny in it once, that was enough. I don't remember the temp or DA, it was a nice day. We used all the grass runway and then some. The terrain rose with freshly planted corn and we relaunched on the crest of that field. It was struggle just to get to pattern altitude [ 800ft] after flying around for a half hour or so. I enjoyed the heck out of the ride but once was enough. I like the little continental engines, but not the single ignition ones. That ole girl doesn't get much exercise.
I learned in a J3 many decades ago and still love being in them.
I guess risky flying has never bothered me. I've flown thru hedgerows a number of times and made a half dozen 00 landings and have had 2 dozen gear failures, fires, engine failures, vacuum gauge failures, students freezing in stalls and spins, etc . But, once in the J2 was enough.
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As I recall the conversation, It was in spring and the weather was much warmer. Taking off earlier when the air was cooler and denser was the only solution. I remember something else odd about the the plane, It was built by Piper, but the gauges were all marked Taylor. Taylor had been flooded or something and had sold everything to Piper. As I recall, the J 2 was originally a Taylor, not Piper.
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I hadn't known that, it's all on Wikipedia. Taylor went bankrupt and sold all assets to Piper. The flood you're thinking of was likely the Lock Haven flood that ended production there. Piper had already moved most lines to Vero Beach, and several models such as the Comanche and Twin Comanche were suspended from the flood damage, never to be built again.

Interesting that the Apache was the next aircraft after the cub family, and I have probably 200 hours in a 180 Apache. Steel tubing running up through the glareshield probably came from Cub tubular design. Never made that connection before. Also didn't know that Piper made a light twin before ever making a retractable single.
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Old 11-04-2020, 07:12 PM   #15
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This picture was taken on 8/11/2016 at the Dutchess County Airport in New York. This is the Collins Foundation B17 "909" which crashed at the Bradley International Airport on October 2, 2019. Good thing i took the flight three years earlier.
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Old 11-04-2020, 09:03 PM   #16
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The Old Dominion Ford Model A Club at Hanover County Airport, Ashland, VA this September with The Commemorative Air Force B-17, Sentimental Journey.
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:52 AM   #17
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Not a Model A...but these pictures were taken at Grimes Field in Urbana, OH. Our Ford club met there for a "Fly In" of vintage planes. This plane is a B-25 I believe.

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Old 11-05-2020, 03:25 PM   #18
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Ooopps, I know I have pics of the A with the Fuddy Duddy [ B17] when we [ National Warplane Museum] owned it. Along with a pic of the B24 Witch Craft.

I have right seat time in the B17. My father flew B24s out of England and I got to ride in the nose.

Those 2 airplanes are direct opposites. The 17 is a gentleman while the 24 is crude, rude, loud, vibrates, which means I love it.

The craft in the pic above is a 25.
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Those 2 airplanes are direct opposites. The 17 is a gentleman while the 24 is crude, rude, loud, vibrates, which means I love it.
My Dad flew B24s as well. His comment was they were the only airplane he flew that gave you calluses. As an Air Force flight instructor, he flew a lot of different airplanes.
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While not Model A some might find these pictures interesting. They are what they appear to be, they are not photo shopped. I took them in 1969 during the filming of Tora Tora Tora.
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