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Steve Plucker · 08-28-2018, 07:53 AM

For those of you who have a VERY early car, one assembled from December 1929 thru March 1930, how many have a pocket hole on each side of the frame for the NEW STYLE Emergency Brake Cross Shaft which by the way would be added in April 1930?

Thanks.

Pluck

Chuck Sea/Tac · 08-28-2018, 10:44 PM

Does that include Canadian cars?

Steve Plucker · 08-28-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Sea/Tac

Does that include Canadian cars?

Sure.

Dave in Petaluma · 08-29-2018, 01:06 PM

my January 1930 cabriolet has the holes, plugged.

Dick Steinkamp · 08-29-2018, 06:58 PM

Pluck,
I know how we can tell when the engine was produced...how can we tell when the car was assembled?

Thanks.

Steve Plucker · 08-29-2018, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

Pluck,
I know how we can tell when the engine was produced...how can we tell when the car was assembled?

Thanks.

There is no real way EXCEPT...if you had a ORIGINAL stamped engine which was in the ORIGINAL chassis for which the engine was dropped in ORIGINALY with that same exact number which is on the engine AND the ORIGINAL Assembly Plant Sales Slip belonging to the above vehicle...One could probably get real close to the assembly date....Maybe not exact...but real close.

Pluck

Badpuppy · 08-31-2018, 12:37 PM

Steve, I believe my coupe is very early 30, but I don't know what to look for.
What's the difference between old and new? Pocket holes?

Chuck Sea/Tac · 08-31-2018, 12:49 PM

My friends Canadian coupe is # 156 from the Ontario plant. It has the long cowl band. It has the late emergency brake in it, so who knows.

Dick Steinkamp · 08-31-2018, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

There is no real way EXCEPT...if you had a ORIGINAL stamped engine which was in the ORIGINAL chassis for which the engine was dropped in ORIGINALY with that same exact number which is on the engine AND the ORIGINAL Assembly Plant Sales Slip belonging to the above vehicle...One could probably get real close to the assembly date....Maybe not exact...but real close.

Pluck

Thanks, Pluck...but I think in my case I'm SOL. My engine number matches the frame number (A3246710) but my body number is R5534.

Even if I knew how to get the Assembly Plant Sales Slip (I don't), the body number doesn't cross to a known assembly plant (at least one that I know of). The only "R" is Richmond, CA, but that plant opened well after my car was assembled. I believe mine was assembled in Milwaukee since it has been a Wisconsin car up until my purchase of it, but it looks like the Milwaukee plant has an unknown alpha character associated with it.

Steve Plucker · 08-31-2018, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badpuppy

Steve, I believe my coupe is very early 30, but I don't know what to look for.
What's the difference between old and new? Pocket holes?

Badpuppy...

Maybe this will help you???

http://www.plucks329s.org/pdf/studie...20Part%201.pdf

View page 449 in the April 1930 Ford Service Bulletin for the "pockets" on the side of the frame.

Pluck

Badpuppy · 09-08-2018, 01:43 PM

According to your notes on frame evolution, my car's frame is post-1/3/30, no holes for RHD. The e-brake cross shaft passes through the side rails, so I assume it's the later part.
https://www.modelagarage.com/service...e-cross-shaft/ (Fig. 884)

Interestingly, the engine # A1812126 dates to late June 1929. I spoke to the guy who did the body-off restore in 1989, and he assures me the frame # matches. That engine must have sat on the bottom of the stack for quite a while.

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Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Very Early 1930 vehicles... For those of you who have a VERY early car, one assembled from December 1929 thru March 1930, how many have a pocket hole on each side of the frame for the NEW STYLE Emergency Brake Cross Shaft which by the way would be added in April 1930? Thanks. Pluck

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Chuck Sea/Tac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma Posts: 2,354	Re: Very Early 1930 vehicles... Does that include Canadian cars?

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Dick Steinkamp Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 1,163	Re: Very Early 1930 vehicles... Pluck, I know how we can tell when the engine was produced...how can we tell when the car was assembled? Thanks. __________________ All steel from pedal to wheel

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Badpuppy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Guthrie, OK Posts: 1,145	Re: Very Early 1930 vehicles... Steve, I believe my coupe is very early 30, but I don't know what to look for. What's the difference between old and new? Pocket holes?

08-31-2018, 12:49 PM	#8
Chuck Sea/Tac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma Posts: 2,354	Re: Very Early 1930 vehicles... My friends Canadian coupe is # 156 from the Ontario plant. It has the long cowl band. It has the late emergency brake in it, so who knows.

09-08-2018, 01:43 PM	#11
Badpuppy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Guthrie, OK Posts: 1,145	Re: Very Early 1930 vehicles... According to your notes on frame evolution, my car's frame is post-1/3/30, no holes for RHD. The e-brake cross shaft passes through the side rails, so I assume it's the later part. https://www.modelagarage.com/service...e-cross-shaft/ (Fig. 884) Interestingly, the engine # A1812126 dates to late June 1929. I spoke to the guy who did the body-off restore in 1989, and he assures me the frame # matches. That engine must have sat on the bottom of the stack for quite a while.