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Old 07-22-2014, 12:23 PM   #1
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Good Day everybody!

Let me first start with my New Car Lol



NICE huh lol Anyways my question to yual is this. Somebody at a car show said IF your car is overheating that he would add a quart of Kerosene to his tank of gas to cool it down some. Doing so would do away with the need to using a lead additive also. Anybody out there have anything to this?

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Old 07-22-2014, 12:27 PM   #2
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I would not do this. I have never personally had a model A run hot. I have been around 3 model A's in my family and several more that friends own and they do not run hot. When properly tuned they run well and at normal operating temperature. I would do a check of your ignition system and your cooling system. Make sure you are properly tuned and the radiator and water pump are working properly as well.

You have a very nice looking 29 fordor. Get it running well and enjoy it.
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Old 07-22-2014, 12:31 PM   #3
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Very cool thanks for the Info and the Fordor runs GREAT lol its my brothers coupe that has a little issue running to slow or to fast will cause it to over heat a bit. Has a new water pump in it and have run vinegar through it and doing so one more time. I might think it has something to do with the settings cause his spark advance runs best half way while the other three run Great all the way down. Go figure.

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Old 07-22-2014, 02:32 PM   #4
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What does overheat a bit mean? My car runs 180° most of the time but on very hot days 10° more. Are you hitting a boil point?

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Good Day everybody!

Let me first start with my New Car Lol



NICE huh lol Anyways my question to yual is this. Somebody at a car show said IF your car is overheating that he would add a quart of Kerosene to his tank of gas to cool it down some. While adding kerosene may help with upper end lube much like adding MMO, I can't see how it would make a cars cooling system cool better. Doing so would do away with the need to using a lead additive also. A's don't need lead in the fuel. Anybody out there have anything to this?

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Sorry for being so rude and not mentioning that it is a fine looking car and I wish you many many happy drives.
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Old 07-22-2014, 04:46 PM   #8
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Lol Mike your info was very helpful as always from this site Thanks and that Fordor is heading to The big show this weekend I'm sure it will be a Head turner.

The car is ither pushing the water out the overflow or boiling it out lol cause He will have to stop and add water to it once the motometer shows it so hot.

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Old 07-22-2014, 04:52 PM   #9
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What does overheat a bit mean? My car runs 180° most of the time but on very hot days 10° more. Are you hitting a boil point?

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OK, I have to try this...........190
Nope, it doesn't work for me.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:01 PM   #10
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Kerosine, or K1, is a middle distillate and has an end boiling point (~550*F) between gasoline (437*F) and diesel fuel (640*F). Essentially, kerosene is jet fuel (Jet A) and becasue it's nearly all straight-chain paraffin, it has no real octane number and will lower the octane rating of your fuel by roughly the volume amount you add to your tank. I've heard in the 1930s farmers would start their Model A trucks on gasoline and then fill them with kerosene to run the rest of the day (hauling vegetables and fruit from the Hudson Valley to New York City). But with an end point of ~550*F, it's doubtfull it will completely combust leading to oil dilution and washing of the cylinder walls and carbon buildup in the ring areas. Personally, I wouldn't put kerosene in my tank (but then, I don't use MMO either).
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0 C = 212° F on a Macbook it's [shift]+[option]+8
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:06 PM   #12
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Willie omitted one small detail, you need to use the ALT key with the numeric keyboard. I tried it and it works; BTW, that was the first time I ever used the numeric k/b!

92° here this afternoon, chance of severe storms late evening.
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Old 07-22-2014, 06:02 PM   #13
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It may be worth noting that some new water pumps call for the impeller to be ground a bit if they are moving too much water, not allowing it to cool enough before it cycles back into the engine.
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I have been out starting it up and run the vinegar through it more. The more I start it up and feel the spark advance the more I think that is very Wrong. It really does run GREAT with the spark advance all the way up. Once I start pulling it down as I would mine to drive the more rougher it runs. I really think its in his settings and might need to get the ole books out and figure this one out.

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Old 07-22-2014, 06:36 PM   #15
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Thanks!
190° I finally got it.
I had to hit the numers lock key, then the number pad.
How in the world is a person supposed to know these odd things?
If a person knew the right keys to push, you might even get a pizza delivered.
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• 0149
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Just to name a few

All while holding the "ALT" key down, num lock on, using the numbers on the key pad

There's a chart: http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/altchrc.html

It's also way different on a Mac, I haven't figured that out yet.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:29 PM   #17
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Great lakes Greg, With respect, I've heard the theory about water circulating too fast to cool before but I'm very sceptical about it. I figure if the water is circulating that fast, it's not spending much time in the engine either to get hot. End result: no difference - fast or slow so long as it's not too extreme
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Great lakes Greg, With respect, I've heard the theory about water circulating too fast to cool before but I'm very sceptical about it. I figure if the water is circulating that fast, it's not spending much time in the engine either to get hot. End result: no difference - fast or slow so long as it's not too extreme
That's also how I see it.
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Too fast of flow will erode portions of the water passage due to cavitation, which also causes temporary air in the system. Not good for cooling or the block/head.
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I like your 29 Town Sedan. Is it a Briggs?
I have an unrestored Murray 29 Town Sedan.
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