Possible discrepancy in Judging Standards

[Arcieri]

Section 2 page 6 of the RG & JS discusses the position of the ground strap bolt in relation to the battery and cross member. The text reads "the bolt head was located on the battery side of the cross member".

The accompanying picture in the Standards appears to show the opposite. I did a search but couldn't find the answer.

Which way should it be for a judged car ?

Thanks,
Ray

[Tom Wesenberg]

Bolt head faces the battery. That's how I view the picture.

[Mitch//pa]

I agree with Tom the pic looks correct

[DougVieyra]

Bolt head faces the battery. No question in that regard.

[Mike V. Florida]

Notice the orientation of the old and new design bolts. The "socket" wrench in on the nut and the open end is on the bolt head. Looks OK.

[Bruce Adams]

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I'm with Mitch and Tom, looking at the combo wrench on the head and the ratchet on the nut. There is no sign of threads beyond the combo wrench. The bolts shown are also facing left which leans towards indicating that is how they are placed.

[Larry Jenkins]

I also think I see a lock washer under the bolt head..

Larry

[Arcieri]

I agree that the big picture shows the two bolt heads facing the battery, I guess I was looking more at the fine detail. Not sure where the standards committee pulled the diagram from, but it looks to me like the bolt head is facing the cross member in that diagram.

I think I can see a flat and lock washer facing the battery. I know I am being too anal, but just saying. Anyway, thanks for answering my question and I will face the head to the battery.

Ray

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Arcieri

I know I am being too anal, but just saying. Anyway, thanks for answering my question and I will face the head to the battery.

Ray

Nope, don't worry keep them questions coming!

[Tom Wesenberg]

I just looked up the bolt in my 1931 Parts Price List, and yes, it does list a lock washer and flat washer.



Another thread didn't pass the inspection of the one star general.
I think he's actually a drill sergeant masquerading as a one star general.

[MikeK]

Upon close inspection I agree with Arcieri's description in post #8. The drawing definitely shows the socket half-cocked off the hex bolt head and on the outside a flat, then split washer followed by a hex nut.

This makes me wonder whether the change was made to facilitate faster assembly, as a hex can be engaged easier and with more orientations than a single pair of flats, or if the change was to replace a more expensive specialty fastener with a stock bolt. Perhaps both?

Notwithstanding the drawing, it goes in with the head on the outside for fine-point. That does not, of course, mean that every single one that went down the assembly line was put in the same way. I wonder how many original battery cases got dinged by backwards bolts infringing upon the free clearance.

[Jim Mason]

The drawing is from the service bulletins

[31Tudor]

Jim, to clarify this, Bolt, washer? (or not) battery strap, frame cross member, lockwasher, and nut?

[Joop]

If you can see in the picture it is explained how to install.


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[Arcieri]

Would like to revisit this one more time as I am getting ready to install the battery for a judged car.

We have established that the bolt head faces the battery per the RG&JS.

Now, how do the flat washer and lock nut figure in this installation??
The picture, which is from the service bulletins (which we mostly accept as fact) shows a flat washer and a lock washer on the battery side of the frame rail.
Is this what the judges accept as correct? Or is the picture incorrect in the
service bulletins?

Should the flat washer and lock washer be on the side of the frame rail opposite the battery behind the nut like we see on about 99% of the usual bolt-nut installations?

Thanks
Ray

[RonC]

Originally Posted by Arcieri

Would like to revisit this one more time as I am getting ready to install the battery for a judged car.

We have established that the bolt head faces the battery per the RG&JS.

Now, how do the flat washer and lock nut figure in this installation??
The picture, which is from the service bulletins (which we mostly accept as fact) shows a flat washer and a lock washer on the battery side of the frame rail.
Is this what the judges accept as correct? Or is the picture incorrect in the
service bulletins?

Should the flat washer and lock washer be on the side of the frame rail opposite the battery behind the nut like we see on about 99% of the usual bolt-nut installations?

Thanks
Ray

Read Post 14. Battery, bolt head, lock washer, washer, ground strap, frame, nut.

[Arcieri]

Thanks Ron (and Joop) looks like I will install it that way. Just seemed different than what I was used to.

Ray

[RonC]

Originally Posted by Timothy Kelly

It seems to me that it would be good to include the ground strap in the sequence. More specifically, the ground strap appears to fit between the frame and the flat washer.

Yes I left that out

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

"Maybe" the Judges will be too FAT to scoot under your car to check it????
I LOVE that wrench! Can they be bought in a SET? Do they "ratchet"? WHY is the Dog LAFFIN'????
Bill Odd

[msmaron]

Read post 14, makes it pretty clear and good. Take your time. What year is the car your getting ready for Fine Point?