Choke/Throttle rods

[Clem Clement]

Thanks in advance for all the help you folks have been.
I'm messing with the choke/throttle linkages. Some time back I redid the carb, 91-99. The c/t rods don't function much, It is like I have something wrong in my assembly. One rod is too long and the other too short. What gives, please?
Clem

[30-9]

Reverse them?

[drolston]

What year?
Rods or cables?
Stock intake manifold?

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

Thanks in advance for all the help you folks have been.
I'm messing with the choke/throttle linkages. Some time back I redid the carb, 91-99. The c/t rods don't function much, It is like I have something wrong in my assembly. One rod is too long and the other too short. What gives, please?
Clem

Clem, you have them reversed.

[Clem Clement]

39 Ford standard intake. I did not remove them from the dash holes

[Clem Clement]

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You guys got me to thinking. We let the truck sit for sometime when I first got it. I know the rods fit and worked at that time. I was still working. A fellow clubber came by and helped figure out what we had and to help get it going. I also got some spares with the truck. Somewhere in the process We found that I had a carb that fit his 40 Ford. He needed it so of course I gave it to him. Could that carb have been built differently? Also we noted that the rubber pivot on the C/T rods was welded in place. I have original rods now thanks to Fordbarn. I'm thinking to try and remove the rods are replace them with the original ones.
The carb on my truck is a 91-99
Thanks, Clem

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

39 Ford standard intake. I did not remove them from the dash holes

Okay, I'll bite... WHAT YEAR vehicle? WHAT MODEL?

[Clem Clement]

39 Ford Pickup

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

39 Ford Pickup

Clem, If the rods fit at some point and they were never removed and possibly reinstalled improperly,well, that leaves only "option B".
What has changed since they worked?
A properly assembled 91-99 carburetor is correct for your truck.

Also, what do you mean by a "39 standard intake"?

Truck rods are very different than the passenger car rods.

[Clem Clement]

Sorry for not being clear. I'm, still recovering and I so good, don't type
factory intake. 91-99 carb. I'll replace the C/T rods

[Clem Clement]

I gave up. When we can visit I'll get help.

[JSeery]

Hopefully it won't be too much longer, but us older guys have to be careful!

[51504bat]

Maybe a photo or 2 would help shed some light on it?

[Clem Clement]

Worked in the rods again today. Bought a pair of rods from a Barner. The choke rod has a loop-de-loop to shorten it The Throttle is long as well. I have kept the originals in and made some improvements. the carb us a 91-99 the carb is raised 3/4" by the phenolic block. Wrong carb?

[Will D]

The phenolic spacer is probably the issue. When I added one on my '38 the rods protrude 3/8" - 1/2" into the cab past their previous position on the dash. I just put the same thickness rubber washer in behind the knobs so it looks clean and if I remove the phenolic spacer the rods will fit as they did before.

[Clem Clement]

Thanks. Great idea. I can split vacuum hoses to cover the rods and be a stop for the push - in action.

Did the phenolic block help with vapor lock?

[Will D]

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

Thanks. Great idea. I can split vacuum hoses to cover the rods and be a stop for the push - in action.

Did the phenolic block help with vapor lock?

I'm going to say yes but I think I had other issues as well which have since been resolved. Either way I left it on and have not vapor locked since the install.

[Clem Clement]

Thanks Barners. I am still recovering from heart procedures and am very slow. I took time off from car work during the hot summer. I am slowly starting again. Thanks for understanding.
I split 2 short pieces of vacuum hose and put them over the choke/throttle rods. Looks good in the cockpit.

[JSeery]

Heart surgery is always fun, I've had a quad-bypass.

[Ken/Alabama]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Heart surgery is always fun, I've had a quad-bypass.

Oh yes, I had a six way last year and it takes a while to get back at it and it’s still not a 100% , probably never will be

[1931 flamingo]

But, the 3 of you and many more are still here...............................
Paul in CT

[sunshine]

Clem on my 39 pkp. My C T throttle rods come straight out through the fire wall and. Are bent down to engage the carb.This truck was prettymuch unmolested when I got it , but who knows . I have nothing to compare it to . They work . But it is not a show truck. SUNSHINE .

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo

But, the 3 of you and many more are still here...............................
Paul in CT

In my case, in body, not always sure about in mind!

[Clem Clement]

I've got something connected wrong on my choke/throttle setup. The throttle is very stiff. When the choke is pulled full out for starting, the engine races as the starts. It is a '39 pickup 85 carb # 94, 91-99. The choke does not push full in.

[Will D]

Can you post a pic of the rods connecting to the carb?

I have to press the gas pedal on mine to move the throttle rod or it is very stiff. Do you have the lever flipped the wrong way that connects to the throttle rod? So it is engaged and causes the engine to race when starting or does it only race when starting with choke On?

Remember the split pieces of vacuum hose you put in the cab on the choke rod. Did that fall off so the rod is not pushing full in but can't because it's already fully disengaged the choke?

[Terry,OH]

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The 91-99 is the correct Carb. for your engine and year. You seem to be ignoring people that have asked you for a photo, so I will not ask. You should know both rods are adjustable.

[Clem Clement]

i don't know what you can see by a photo, but I will try. I have a used original rods from Fordbarn sources and will try to remove the old ones. I will leave the bends in place. The other day the improperly positioned T rod caused a powerful backfire. I hope the gaskets held
Merry Christmas,
Clem

Theroutside arrangements for the '39 and the 40Merc are the same.

[Clem Clement]

Per request I have some pictures. I don't knowhow to post them. If some one would kindly pm me with their email, I will send them. TIA
Merry Christmas, Clem

[JSeery]

I can post them: [email protected]

[Will D]

Pictures of Clems throttle/ choke setup.

[Clem Clement]

Thanks Will D for posting. You can see the Choke rod sticks out further into the cabin. The choke rod has been brazed back when. My next step is to remove the choke rod and replace it with an original rod from a kind Fordbarner, leaving the bends in place. We'll see how it fits.
Thanks all.

[Clem Clement]

Fellow eV-8 Clubber, Dave Gunnarson, called with comments on my C/T issues. He has a build well underway for a 35 Ford big truck. He has found that over the large number of restored trucks the choke/throttle rods are all different. He has visited the Ford Articles and has the blue- prints for his truck, so he knows exactly what it calls for including the radius of the bends on the rods.

He also commented that many of our old Fords have had replacement engines, carbs, intake manifolds, etc. Most times the C/T are not changed, just bent to fit.

I remember when I got the 39, there were spare carbs with it. Another fellow Clubber, Cliff Green while exploring the truck, noted one fit his 40, so off to him it went. Maybe it had fit the C/T rods I have.

[Terry,OH]

With bends in the rods close to the firewall and pieces of tubing, around the rods, replacing the rubber grommet that has slid down the choke rod and is now misplaced next to the Carb. The choke rod is too long resulting in the knob being out of place. The bends and the rubber tubing are preventing the throttle rod from moving.

[Clem Clement]

Upon further review the choke rod has been brazed. there is a steel sleeve involved. I'm challenged to remove the grommet. It looks like I will have to cut it apart.

[Clem Clement]

Breakthru!!!! Thanks all. I sat down to make progress. I worked the choke rod's grommet out by rotating it and getting the inside edge to move past the edge of the hole. More working got this rear grommet off. I did not try to straighten the choke rod I bought on Fordbarn many years ago. I polished the section under the dash and worked the crocked rod into position. The rod has two by 90deg. bends. Things lineup and the choke works smoothly.
The throttle rod is in. grommets are a bit harder to install.

I found that White ink pen will freshen the letters on the C/T knobs. Wipe it on and wipe it off after a few seconds.


i still can't understand why many of these rods are bent in various shapes to fit.

thanks for everyone's help. I'm thrilled

[Will D]

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

Breakthru!!!! Thanks all. I set done to make progress. I worked the choke rod's grommet out by rotating it and getting the inside edge to move past the edge of the hole. More working got this rear grommet off. I did not try to straighten the choke rod I b ought on Fordbarn many years ago. I polished the section under the dash and worked the crocked rod into position The rod has two by 90deg. bends. Things lineup and the choke works smoothly.
The throttle rod is in. grommets are a bit harder to install.

I found that White ink pen will freshen the letters on the C/T knobs. Wipe it on and wipe it off after a few seconds.


i still can't understand why many of these rods are bent in various shapes to fit.

thanks for everyone's help. I'm thrilled

Good news. Glad you got er figured.

[Clem Clement]

Thanks.
Happy New Year. Clem

[Clem Clement]

My Throttle seams to work its way to full in as well. I don't know why.