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Clem Clement · 09-01-2011, 08:08 AM

I find my quail is loose on its mount. The wing tips seem to be swedged in to the cap. I'm thinking JB weld. I'd be afraid to try and spread the swedge with a punch.
Clem

Richard Wilson · 09-01-2011, 08:39 AM

MY 20 year old repro quail is loose at the wing tips. It is kind of cool for now as it looks like it is flying while the Model A is going down the road. Will probably have to repaint a fender when it come off. JB might help if you can get it smeared in the wing tip/cap groove. Like you, I would be afraid of spreading the wings to remove the quail.

Gord. B by the bay · 09-01-2011, 09:32 AM

Clem I fixed mine by drilling an 1/8" at bottom each wing then used a pop rivet and it held well cant see the rivet since it is aluminium in colour give it a try mine is still on after 20 years Have a Great Day Gord. B by the bay

HoarseWhisperer · 09-01-2011, 09:39 AM

Recently used JB Weld on my Quail as it came off the cap.

Seems solid.

Steve Ciccalone · 09-01-2011, 07:00 PM

Clem, I know you want a serious answer here but I can't resist. As an old career military man, as I am, I know in your travels you saw a lot of loose quails.

Steve Ciccalone · 09-01-2011, 07:03 PM

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Clem, get a hold of Doc Kalinka. Howard Minners will have his phone #. Doc has restored a bunch of quails and he will probably give you good guidance.

Milton · 09-01-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clem Clement

I find my quail is loose on its mount. The wing tips seem to be swedged in to the cap. I'm thinking JB weld. I'd be afraid to try and spread the swedge with a punch.
Clem

I used JB some time ago for this exact purpose and all seemed well. Just this morning I was attempting to straighten the quail as I had caused it to list to port. I found that whomever installed it originally tighted it and bent the radiator cap neck insides because they missed the rad cap screw wedges.
Any way the damn bird broke off in my hand and the Moto-meter died in the driveway. I used my thumb nail to remove the JB. It does not stick to smooth finishes. All this time the JB was just acting as a filler to take out the looseness, no weld or adhesion whatsoever.

Peyton · 09-01-2011, 09:14 PM

Hi Clem

I fixed mine with JB Weld 17 years ago and have had no problem with the fix. Good luck with your fix.

Peyton

Scott Foldenauer · 09-02-2011, 06:55 AM

Unrelated to your question but the other day a girl friend of my daughter asked why was a Quail used on the radiator cap anyway. I don't know if there is any significance - is there?

Clem Clement · 09-02-2011, 07:16 AM

The quail is very quick off the start, as is the Model A.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-02-2011, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Foldenauer

Unrelated to your question but the other day a girl friend of my daughter asked why was a Quail used on the radiator cap anyway. I don't know if there is any significance - is there?

I researched this for a year and found out that the Model A was QUICK, THE QUAIL was quick---end of story.

Research the Dodge Ram hood emblem history----hillarious!!!

HoarseWhisperer · 09-02-2011, 05:44 PM

"The Flying Quail, perched on the hood of the the 1928 Ford Model A, was one of the first Stant ornamental radiator caps. Henry Ford suggested it, and even though he knew that Stant would satisfy his exciting demands for perfection in the functional performance of the cap, Mr. Ford supervised every step of the artistic design.
This was 30 years after George Stant had founded the company and manufactured wagon and buggy parts. The first step toward the gasoline and radiator cap business was taken in 1924, when Stant designed a theft-proof lock for the "Moto-Meter", a water temperature gauge mounted atop a radiator cap.
Although early Stant caps were ornamental on the outside, they were completely serviceable on the inside. Under the ornament, the old Stant caps were carefully engineered and exceptionally efficient. They served a two-fold purpose; enhancing the beauty of the car and protecting the cooling system of the engine. However, Stant engineering's continuing refinements have made them an even better and safer part of a a car's cooling system."
Below are examples of outstanding Stant ornamental radiator caps from the past.

http://www.stant.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=2302&lo

09-01-2011, 08:08 AM	#1
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Quail loose I find my quail is loose on its mount. The wing tips seem to be swedged in to the cap. I'm thinking JB weld. I'd be afraid to try and spread the swedge with a punch. Clem

09-01-2011, 08:39 AM	#2
Richard Wilson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 908	Re: Quail loose MY 20 year old repro quail is loose at the wing tips. It is kind of cool for now as it looks like it is flying while the Model A is going down the road. Will probably have to repaint a fender when it come off. JB might help if you can get it smeared in the wing tip/cap groove. Like you, I would be afraid of spreading the wings to remove the quail.

09-01-2011, 09:32 AM	#3
Gord. B by the bay Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Owen Sound Ont. Canada Posts: 198	Re: Quail loose Clem I fixed mine by drilling an 1/8" at bottom each wing then used a pop rivet and it held well cant see the rivet since it is aluminium in colour give it a try mine is still on after 20 years Have a Great Day Gord. B by the bay

09-01-2011, 09:39 AM	#4
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: Quail loose Recently used JB Weld on my Quail as it came off the cap. Seems solid. __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)

09-01-2011, 07:00 PM	#5
Steve Ciccalone Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: "Live Free or Die!" Posts: 510	Re: Quail loose Clem, I know you want a serious answer here but I can't resist. As an old career military man, as I am, I know in your travels you saw a lot of loose quails. __________________ "A wet bird doesn't fly at night."

09-01-2011, 07:03 PM	#6
Steve Ciccalone Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: "Live Free or Die!" Posts: 510	Re: Quail loose Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Clem, get a hold of Doc Kalinka. Howard Minners will have his phone #. Doc has restored a bunch of quails and he will probably give you good guidance. __________________ "A wet bird doesn't fly at night."

09-01-2011, 09:14 PM	#8
Peyton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville Fl Posts: 142	Re: Quail loose Hi Clem I fixed mine with JB Weld 17 years ago and have had no problem with the fix. Good luck with your fix. Peyton

09-02-2011, 06:55 AM	#9
Scott Foldenauer Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 14	Re: Quail loose Unrelated to your question but the other day a girl friend of my daughter asked why was a Quail used on the radiator cap anyway. I don't know if there is any significance - is there?

09-02-2011, 07:16 AM	#10
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: Quail loose The quail is very quick off the start, as is the Model A.

09-02-2011, 05:44 PM	#12
HoarseWhisperer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,470	Re: Quail loose "The Flying Quail, perched on the hood of the the 1928 Ford Model A, was one of the first Stant ornamental radiator caps. Henry Ford suggested it, and even though he knew that Stant would satisfy his exciting demands for perfection in the functional performance of the cap, Mr. Ford supervised every step of the artistic design. This was 30 years after George Stant had founded the company and manufactured wagon and buggy parts. The first step toward the gasoline and radiator cap business was taken in 1924, when Stant designed a theft-proof lock for the "Moto-Meter", a water temperature gauge mounted atop a radiator cap. Although early Stant caps were ornamental on the outside, they were completely serviceable on the inside. Under the ornament, the old Stant caps were carefully engineered and exceptionally efficient. They served a two-fold purpose; enhancing the beauty of the car and protecting the cooling system of the engine. However, Stant engineering's continuing refinements have made them an even better and safer part of a a car's cooling system." Below are examples of outstanding Stant ornamental radiator caps from the past. http://www.stant.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=2302&lo __________________ I know a lot of things; I just can't remember them all. 1928 CCPU 82-A 1931 Roadster 40-B Dlx (Canadian)