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Joop · 03-03-2011, 02:04 PM

Got an answer from our Model A guru already but like to know if someone had the same problem.
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I want to remove one stud from the engine (with the head on) to install an original stud for a steering column Red Ball Temperature Gauge from the Boyce Motometer Co.
I have tried to remove it with a double nut but it will not move.

It Worked! Thanks for all your help.

Joop.

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Gerard · 03-03-2011, 03:00 PM

Joop. PM send

Gerard

Tom Wesenberg · 03-03-2011, 10:42 PM

Joop, do you have a picture of the end of the Red Ball Temperature guage? The only ones I've seen had a bulb that was mounted in the top radiator hose.

Joop · 03-03-2011, 10:58 PM

Here you go Tom

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LukeDahlinger · 03-03-2011, 11:07 PM

Have you tried a stud removal tool?

I'm not 100% sure you'd be able to get a good purchase on the stud with the tool since the head is still in place but it'd be worth a try.

Russ/40 · 03-03-2011, 11:37 PM

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good vice-grips with sharp jaws would be my bet.

Bob from Northport · 03-03-2011, 11:43 PM

Snap on Tools makes a set of stud removers of four different sizes that will work on every stud on a Model A. We have used them many times.

Tom Wesenberg · 03-04-2011, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joop

Here you go Tom

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I wonder if you could make an adaptor for the bulb that fits inside the new head stud, so it would fit in the top radiator hose?

PC/SR · 03-04-2011, 01:29 AM

The best stud removal tool is a small, 6 inch, pipe wrench. It grips and does not slip.

Joop · 03-04-2011, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I wonder if you could make an adaptor for the bulb that fits inside the new head stud, so it would fit in the top radiator hose?

I have seen those but would love to install it the way there were sold.

Joop · 03-04-2011, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob from Northport

Snap on Tools makes a set of stud removers of four different sizes that will work on every stud on a Model A. We have used them many times.

But you do understand that the stud only sticks out a 1/2 inch above the head, not much to work with.

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SSsssteamer · 03-04-2011, 08:11 AM

I have tried all of the above and the Snap On stud removal set works the best with the least damage.

Joop · 03-04-2011, 08:57 AM

Now I have to find someone who will loan it to me.

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Special Coupe Frank · 03-04-2011, 09:25 AM

Joop,

Very nice looking gauge !

Not trying to be a wise-guy, but have you tested that gauge / sending unit ?

Seems we only hear about guys guys trying to find repair on dead ones...

As for the stud removal, is another stud location an option ?

Ray in La Mesa · 03-04-2011, 09:54 AM

I have a working Red Ball like you show with the special stud but declined to use the stud as I believe the sensor would be to far removed from the actual water to provide an acurate AND timely reading. What I did was, had a friend make a new sensor socket to replace the stud on a lathe. It will accept the sensor and screw into a standard temp. sensor fitting that screws into the block or the radiator hose fitting. It didn't seem to hard to turn one out of hex material. As a poor college student alterative a long time ago, I took a lug stud (same threads as the top of the special stud), drilled it out to allow the sensor bulb to slip in. Then drilled 2 head nuts the same. I then cut the lug stud off it's base and welded the stud, 2 drilled nuts and a third nut together in a stack. This ,in effect, duplicated the top of the special stud and can just be screwed on the stock stud of your choice, it worked but still did not address the remoteness of the sensor to the water. Good luck.

Joop · 03-04-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special Coupe Frank

Joop,

Very nice looking gauge !

Not trying to be a wise-guy, but have you tested that gauge / sending unit ?

Seems we only hear about guys guys trying to find repair on dead ones...

As for the stud removal, is another stud location an option ?

Hi Frank

I want to put it where it was originally done (the left rear stud)

The gauge works perfect.

gweilbaker · 03-04-2011, 10:21 AM

What about welding a nut to the stud, using the quality six point, long, closed end wrench, instead of muscling the wrench, tap it with a sizable hammer. Alternating tapping loose and tapping tight while applying penetrating oil. I have 100% success using this technique on rusted brake bleeders.

GW

Bruce Lancaster · 03-04-2011, 11:40 AM

What you need is a collet type stud remover...Snap-on sells an excellent set, expensive but not prohibitive. This grips the actual threads with its own threads and then tightens like a regular collet, resulting in an unbelievably strong grip.
Ford also supplied its own version of this.
This is the absolute unquestioned best known stud puller.

ABento · 03-04-2011, 12:13 PM

What Bruce said, I have a set of those and they work very well and no damage to the stud.

Bruce Lancaster · 03-04-2011, 12:20 PM

Here is a link to the set: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

Expensive at $125, but worth it as a mental health measure. If you order from the spare parts list, you can get just the Ford head stud one for under a hundred.

03-03-2011, 02:04 PM	#1
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	Head/Stud Removal. It Worked Thanks Got an answer from our Model A guru already but like to know if someone had the same problem. . I want to remove one stud from the engine (with the head on) to install an original stud for a steering column Red Ball Temperature Gauge from the Boyce Motometer Co. I have tried to remove it with a double nut but it will not move. It Worked! Thanks for all your help. Joop. ... Last edited by Joop; 05-31-2011 at 01:06 PM.

03-03-2011, 03:00 PM	#2
Gerard Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Creston Canada BC Posts: 609	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Joop. PM send Gerard

03-03-2011, 10:42 PM	#3
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Joop, do you have a picture of the end of the Red Ball Temperature guage? The only ones I've seen had a bulb that was mounted in the top radiator hose.

03-03-2011, 11:07 PM	#5
LukeDahlinger BANNED Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 956	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Have you tried a stud removal tool? I'm not 100% sure you'd be able to get a good purchase on the stud with the tool since the head is still in place but it'd be worth a try. __________________ Wanted- Feb. 1931 Parts Price List www.vintagefordfacts.blogspot.com

03-03-2011, 11:37 PM	#6
Russ/40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santee, California Posts: 3,505	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) good vice-grips with sharp jaws would be my bet.

03-03-2011, 11:43 PM	#7
Bob from Northport Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: 215 E. 6th Street Northport, Michigan 49670 Posts: 941	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Snap on Tools makes a set of stud removers of four different sizes that will work on every stud on a Model A. We have used them many times. __________________ Bob from Northport Northport, Michigan

03-04-2011, 01:29 AM	#9
PC/SR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,278	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! The best stud removal tool is a small, 6 inch, pipe wrench. It grips and does not slip.

03-04-2011, 08:11 AM	#12
SSsssteamer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sedro-Woolley, WA Posts: 1,023	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! I have tried all of the above and the Snap On stud removal set works the best with the least damage.

03-04-2011, 08:57 AM	#13
Joop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 2,950	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Now I have to find someone who will loan it to me. ..

03-04-2011, 09:25 AM	#14
Special Coupe Frank Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northeast Penna Posts: 2,108	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Joop, Very nice looking gauge ! Not trying to be a wise-guy, but have you tested that gauge / sending unit ? Seems we only hear about guys guys trying to find repair on dead ones... As for the stud removal, is another stud location an option ?

03-04-2011, 09:54 AM	#15
Ray in La Mesa Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: La Mesa Ca Posts: 1,166	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! I have a working Red Ball like you show with the special stud but declined to use the stud as I believe the sensor would be to far removed from the actual water to provide an acurate AND timely reading. What I did was, had a friend make a new sensor socket to replace the stud on a lathe. It will accept the sensor and screw into a standard temp. sensor fitting that screws into the block or the radiator hose fitting. It didn't seem to hard to turn one out of hex material. As a poor college student alterative a long time ago, I took a lug stud (same threads as the top of the special stud), drilled it out to allow the sensor bulb to slip in. Then drilled 2 head nuts the same. I then cut the lug stud off it's base and welded the stud, 2 drilled nuts and a third nut together in a stack. This ,in effect, duplicated the top of the special stud and can just be screwed on the stock stud of your choice, it worked but still did not address the remoteness of the sensor to the water. Good luck.

03-04-2011, 10:21 AM	#17
gweilbaker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lindenhurst, IL Posts: 792	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! What about welding a nut to the stud, using the quality six point, long, closed end wrench, instead of muscling the wrench, tap it with a sizable hammer. Alternating tapping loose and tapping tight while applying penetrating oil. I have 100% success using this technique on rusted brake bleeders. GW

03-04-2011, 11:40 AM	#18
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! What you need is a collet type stud remover...Snap-on sells an excellent set, expensive but not prohibitive. This grips the actual threads with its own threads and then tightens like a regular collet, resulting in an unbelievably strong grip. Ford also supplied its own version of this. This is the absolute unquestioned best known stud puller.

03-04-2011, 12:13 PM	#19
ABento Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Luis Obispo Posts: 237	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! What Bruce said, I have a set of those and they work very well and no damage to the stud.

03-04-2011, 12:20 PM	#20
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Head/Stud Removal with Head on! Here is a link to the set: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog Expensive at $125, but worth it as a mental health measure. If you order from the spare parts list, you can get just the Ford head stud one for under a hundred.