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Old 07-14-2020, 03:30 PM   #1
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PLEASE understand how difficult it was to make this decision to cancel Model A Day 2020!

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It’s called a decision based on common sense ! No person in their right mind is willing to risk their life ( die ) in order to view antique cars. The administration is to be congratulated.
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Disappointing, but understandable. Looking forward to next year.
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It’s called a decision based on common sense ! No person in their right mind is willing to risk their life ( die ) in order to view antique cars. The administration is to be congratulated.
Thank you for that.
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Old 07-14-2020, 06:25 PM   #5
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Good plan ...

I watched one person die of it and if I never see it again, it will be too soon!
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With sadness but it is the wise decision. There will be another year.
I’m still on for my seminar if they wish for next year.
Everyone’s health is paramount .
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A most sensible decision. I just lost a friend of 50 years to Covid-19.
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Considering the average age of the attendees, the decision was clearly the correct one. Good thinking MAFFI!
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Next year will even be better !!!! All good things are even better if you have to wait! Disappointed for sure but not worth the risk . Thank you to Mark and all the people who have work so very hard to try to put on this. Great event
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I am definitely OK with whatever decision is made on this, ...but with that said, we were discussing this the other day and so I would like to hear y'alls opinions on the following.

What needs to change before YOU personally would attend any type of event like this? In other words, let's assume they have not found a vaccine by this time next year for this virus. Let's say that the numbers are down a tad from what they are now but there are still new cases being reported, -and just as in the case of present day Pneumonia or strains of Influenza where we still see people succumb to those type of diseases, do you think we will ever feel comfortable enough to attend these type of events again?
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Rather than putting it on as "model A day" to promote the hobby, instead, market it as a protest (perhaps against the horse and buggy?) and people will feel safe enough to show up in droves. Apparently the high charged emotions that come with protests create an immunity to COVID-19.
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I am definitely OK with whatever decision is made on this, ...but with that said, we were discussing this the other day and so I would like to hear y'alls opinions on the following.

What needs to change before YOU personally would attend any type of event like this? In other words, let's assume they have not found a vaccine by this time next year for this virus. Let's say that the numbers are down a tad from what they are now but there are still new cases being reported, -and just as in the case of present day Pneumonia or strains of Influenza where we still see people succumb to those type of diseases, do you think we will ever feel comfortable enough to attend these type of events again?
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Good question Brent.
My wife and I would not attend a large gathering of elderly folk, like ourselves, until a vaccine with a success rate of 80% reliability is developed and a minimum 50% of the population, including ourselves, have received the vaccine. Attending any large gathering without these criteria met, to me, is irresponsible.
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Good question Brent.
My wife and I would not attend a large gathering of elderly folk, like ourselves, until a vaccine with a success rate of 80% reliability is developed and a minimum 50% of the population have received treatment. Attending any large gathering without these criteria met, to me, is irresponsible.
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Yes, I have heard others say something similar. The irony is the Henry Ford research center claims that it will be a minimum of 18 months, -and if successful, it will be fasted vaccine ever created. I think the average time for creation of effective vaccines is like 5 years. I think the Polio vaccine was like over 5 years, the AIDs vaccine has been over 20 years in the making, the Ebola was like 2½ years, and some are closer to 10 years.

So without a effective vaccine being developed and in use, that means we really can't have a Model-A Day, -or a Hershey Swap Meet, a MARC/MAFCA National Meet, ...or whatever event for another two years (-or longer). If so, what do you think will happen to this hobby? The social aspect of the Model-A club membership is as big (-or bigger) than just owning an A. Additionally, places like the Gilmore and the Henry Ford need attendees to survive financially. Can many of these places survive for that long without financial support derived from such events??

I realize the health of ourselves and of others is (-should be) priority, but it does make you stop and think for a bit, we may not be able to have a 2021 Model-A Day, -or even a 2022 Model-A Day.
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I wouldnt think that decision would have been hard at all. As far as when I will go out, good question. All shows in my area have been cancelled. There is one car cruise afternoon that is going and I have been to it twice now. I stay outside and keep my distance. The infection rate will have to drop significantly across the country for me to feel comfortable going anywhere in mass. I have no desire to go out to eat dinner, go to an amusement park or anything of the like. Originally I figured by about August this was going to be behind us, now I am thinking it may be next August before things are starting to normalize.
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My wife and I would not attend a large gathering of elderly folk, like ourselves, until a vaccine with a success rate of 80% reliability is developed and a minimum 50% of the population have received treatment. Attending any large gathering without these criteria met, to me, is irresponsible.
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I'm with you Dave. Our club members are staying in touch and we see a few from a safe distance, but for now we have no events planned. A few of us did take our Model As out and did a drive by of a couple of hospitals to show our support for the first responders and medical staff.

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And what, exactly, does that have to with anything we are discussing in this post?

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[QUOTE=The Master Cylinder;1909381]I'm with you Dave. Our club members are staying in touch and we see a few from a safe distance, but for now we have no events planned. A few of us did take our Model As out and did a drive by of a couple of hospitals to show our support for the first responders and medical staff.



And what, exactly, does that have to with anything we are discussing in this post?

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What it means is, don't panic the sky is not falling. Keep your cool.
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Whether people like it or not, the reality is that a lot of people are going to catch it in the meantime before a vaccine is created and a herd immunity situation will probably occur. People will always die, and we definetely to protect those at risk and who are older like us hobbyists. But we have to come up with some kind of alternative in the meantime to keep this hobby alive.
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I am definitely OK with whatever decision is made on this, ...but with that said, we were discussing this the other day and so I would like to hear y'alls opinions on the following.

What needs to change before YOU personally would attend any type of event like this? In other words, let's assume they have not found a vaccine by this time next year for this virus. Let's say that the numbers are down a tad from what they are now but there are still new cases being reported, -and just as in the case of present day Pneumonia or strains of Influenza where we still see people succumb to those type of diseases, do you think we will ever feel comfortable enough to attend these type of events again?
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I am definitely OK with whatever decision is made on this, ...but with that said, we were discussing this the other day and so I would like to hear y'alls opinions on the following.

What needs to change before YOU personally would attend any type of event like this? In other words, let's assume they have not found a vaccine by this time next year for this virus. Let's say that the numbers are down a tad from what they are now but there are still new cases being reported, -and just as in the case of present day Pneumonia or strains of Influenza where we still see people succumb to those type of diseases, do you think we will ever feel comfortable enough to attend these type of events again?
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Nothing. Absolutely nothing needs to change for me to be comfortable.

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To answer the question of "What would I need" to attend car events?

I would want an option to drive my car through the event like a parade, and possibly stay in my car. Maybe have the event at a drive in outdoor theater. If you get out and walk around the cars, require masks be worn and ask people to adhere to keeping their distance.

However I would think that people would drive in, a cluster of folks would gather under someone's hood, or lean on each other's open windows, sit in circles of lawn chairs together for a few hours, and these actions do not prevent the spread of the virus.

I work in medical and see the results of this virus daily. I'm not so much scared about wearing a mask and saying hello to someone. I do not like going to locations like restaurants and seeing people not understanding what is required to stay healthy. Pre-Covid, I hated watching people touching their face, coughing in their hands, picking their nose or using the bathroom and not wash their hands and then going back to their table and eating french fries, tortilla chips, hamburgers and finger food. People are just not good at hygiene in general. Now its constantly announced to people to practice good hygiene and it just ruins my mood watching others STILL not have a clue. I don't want to sit somewhere for an hour watching others not follow these rules and be angry or grossed out.

So ME... I would cruise through and then head home so that I'm not grumpy the whole time around folks who don't get it.
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Went to a show this past Sunday at the local American Legion put on by "Over The Hill Gang: (Thanks ! !), First around here. Approx 325 cars. Lots not wearing masks BUT distancing themselves. When my friend and I went to get food we wore masks as did the cooks. Fun time.
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To answer the question of "What would I need" to attend car events?

I would want an option to drive my car through the event like a parade, and possibly stay in my car. Maybe have the event at a drive in outdoor theater. If you get out and walk around the cars, require masks be worn and ask people to adhere to keeping their distance.

However I would think that people would drive in, a cluster of folks would gather under someone's hood, or lean on each other's open windows, sit in circles of lawn chairs together for a few hours, and these actions do not prevent the spread of the virus.

I work in medical and see the results of this virus daily. I'm not so much scared about wearing a mask and saying hello to someone. I do not like going to locations like restaurants and seeing people not understanding what is required to stay healthy. Pre-Covid, I hated watching people touching their face, coughing in their hands, picking their nose or using the bathroom and not wash their hands and then going back to their table and eating french fries, tortilla chips, hamburgers and finger food. People are just not good at hygiene in general. Now its constantly announced to people to practice good hygiene and it just ruins my mood watching others STILL not have a clue. I don't want to sit somewhere for an hour watching others not follow these rules and be angry or grossed out.

So ME... I would cruise through and then head home so that I'm not grumpy the whole time around folks who don't get it.
Thanks, Jason. I appreciate your incites coming from someone in the Medical Field.
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The vaccine is mandatory.
I have volunteered to do the test protocol.
The expectation now is that it will be available in October with mass vaccinations in February to July. The doctor that told me this is in touch with the world community and he has stated that Oxford, UK, Cambridge MA, another place on the left coast, are in the slot to get it done. The Russians are spying on our processes to expedite their tardiness in dealing with it and the Chinese communist government? Incidentally, when this is all over, Li Keqiang gonna have some splainin about why he should not be charged with crimes against humanity...
Two major pharmaceutical companies in our region have begun ordering raw materials...believe it or now, we grow most of what will be needed in the fields of this Nation...necessary to cook the vaccine, and the expectation is that, like polio, it will be administrated at public health facilities...hopefully WITHOUT Bill Gates micro chips in the mix...Until then, everyone sit tight...
Once the vaccine is available, consider the math...there are 3.4M folks in this United States, and if we were to inoculate 600,000 a day, an outrageous optimistic number that is limited by the health facilities available and the staff...it will take 550 or so working days to do that...given 250 or so working days in a year, that is about two and a half years to get everyone safe...of course some will not vaccinate for any reason...that is fine...My good Doc says a booster, like the old polio days, will be required too...So lets just say if you are on the bottom of the food chain, you may be 3 years or so away from safety...after the vaccination is approved...
So, batten down the hatches Mom, we have a long sail ahead of us...
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Just do not go out anywhere...
Get an AC in the garage and work on your cars...
In particular, do not go to places that may be exposed...OH, and if you have a swimming pool...the good Doc says there is probably enough chlorine in any pool to completely rid the world of CV19...
So...that tells me the safest place to be is in your pool, maybe sipping a gin and tonic, quinine water and alcohol you know, and just gazing at the clear blue sky not filled with vapor trails of the jets taking the traveling public to strange and exotic lands and hear the earth sigh a huge sigh of relief...
Somebody want to address what this will do to the economy? ha...save those gold coins...
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Went to a show this past Sunday at the local American Legion put on by "Over The Hill Gang: (Thanks ! !), First around here. Approx 325 cars. Lots not wearing masks BUT distancing themselves. When my friend and I went to get food we wore masks as did the cooks. Fun time.
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With all due respect, I do not believe it was wise or prudent for 325 hobbyists to gather in the same spot. It is indeed tempting fate as social distancing is virtually impossible. It is indeed conceivable some people attending will catch the virus. I certainly don’t congratulate the organizers. In my opinion it was a lack of sound judgment!
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With all due respect, I do not believe it was wise or prudent for 325 hobbyists to gather in the same spot. It is indeed tempting fate as social distancing is virtually impossible. It is indeed conceivable some people attending will catch the virus. I certainly don’t congratulate the organizers. In my opinion it was a lack of sound judgment!

I guess my view is different. Paul was clear there were people attending however they were distancing themselves. Likely the ones who felt they needed to wear a mask did so. The ones that felt attending this show was too risky for their health likely did not attend.

Maybe we all need to step back and reconsider our judging of others as to what is right or wrong. There are many things each of us do each day that can be considered life-threatening to ourselves -but not to others. It is up to each of us to decide what the risk is to our own lives and well-being. We really cannot continue to live our life in fear of the 'what ifs'. If so, driving, -or even just owning our Model-As can easily create a long list of 'what ifs'.

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And as I see it herein lies one of the problems. Not wearing a face mask or practicing safe social distancing is a threat to others, not just yourself.
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I guess my view is different. Paul was clear there were people attending however they were distancing themselves. Likely the ones who felt they needed to wear a mask did so. The ones that felt attending this show was too risky for their health likely did not attend.

Maybe we all need to step back and reconsider our judging of others as to what is right or wrong. There are many things each of us do each day that can be considered life-threatening to ourselves -but not to others. It is up to each of us to decide what the risk is to our own lives and well-being. We really cannot continue to live our life in fear of the 'what ifs'. If so, driving, -or even just owning our Model-As can easily create a long list of 'what ifs'.

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Well said. There is way too much fear mongering about the whole Coronavirus issue, and the issue itself has become politically charged.

Coronavirus is NOT the automatic death sentence that many would have you to believe, although it is a serious disease. If you are in a high risk group, it’s probably in your best interest to stay home. If you attend, keep your distance, wear a mask if deemed necessary, WASH YOUR HANDS, KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. Folks have to make their OWN choices, and we need to be tolerant of those choices.

I’m getting tired of the constant badgering about the risk. The risk is absolutely present, but proper behavior lessens the risk for those who take the appropriate precautions. There are many other things that take our lives other than Coronavirus.

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And as I see it herein lies one of the problems. Not wearing a face mask or practicing safe social distancing is a threat to others, not just yourself.

If YOUR mask is working, that should protect you. If MY mask is working, that should protect me. I cannot control other people’s behavior. It’s just plain annoying to others if I try.

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If YOUR mask is working, that should protect you. If MY mask is working, that should protect me. I cannot control other people’s behavior. It’s just plain annoying to others if I try.

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As usual, you missed the point.
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To suggest that all 300 plus participants and their guests wore masks and acted responsibly is naive to say the least! If any person in attendance catches the virus I believe the entire organizing body should be held legally and financially responsible in a court of law and required to pay any judgment the court renders.
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As usual, you missed the point.

We’re just going to have to agree that we disagree. There is no point in creating a war over this.


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To suggest that all 300 plus participants and their guests wore masks and acted responsibly is naive to say the least! If any person in attendance catches the virus I believe the entire organizing body should be held legally and financially responsible in a court of law and required to pay any judgment the court renders.

We’re just going to have to agree that we disagree. There is no point in creating a war over this.


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I agree!
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I agree!

Great! I don’t want hard feelings with anyone, especially on this topic.

I’m still new to the Model A hobby. I’ve had my Victoria a little less than a year, and this forum has been extremely helpful.


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I guess my view is different. Paul was clear there were people attending however they were distancing themselves. Likely the ones who felt they needed to wear a mask did so. The ones that felt attending this show was too risky for their health likely did not attend.

Maybe we all need to step back and reconsider our judging of others as to what is right or wrong. There are many things each of us do each day that can be considered life-threatening to ourselves -but not to others. It is up to each of us to decide what the risk is to our own lives and well-being. We really cannot continue to live our life in fear of the 'what ifs'. If so, driving, -or even just owning our Model-As can easily create a long list of 'what ifs'.

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Well said. To answer your previous question as to what would have to happen for me to attendant event, one would have to be put on that interested me.
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To suggest that all 300 plus participants and their guests wore masks and acted responsibly is naive to say the least! If any person in attendance catches the virus I believe the entire organizing body should be held legally and financially responsible in a court of law and required to pay any judgment the court renders.
I was under the impression that the event mentioned was voluntary attendance. Be that as it may, what kind of mask do you suggest??. The much talked about "N95" mask is to prevent the inhalation of airborne particles (IE dust) and do NOT filter out viruses from being breathed in or anything anything breathed OUT, surgical masks are made to filter exhaled air but not inhaled and cloth filters little smaller than a mosquito. So, if you are trying to prevent the spread of a virus, either from you to others or from others to you, which one would you choose??.
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I was under the impression that the event mentioned was voluntary attendance. Be that as it may, what kind of mask do you suggest??. The much talked about "N95" mask is to prevent the inhalation of airborne particles (IE dust) and do NOT filter out viruses from being breathed in or anything anything breathed OUT, surgical masks are made to filter exhaled air but not inhaled and cloth filters little smaller than a mosquito. So, if you are trying to prevent the spread of a virus, either from you to others or from others to you, which one would you choose??.
Dont want to start a mask debate, but I was under the impression that the n95 was about the safest mask to use. The n95 with a valve is NOT recommended, as it expells ones breath which could potentially have C19! It is my understanding that the use of a mask is not really for what one breathes in, as much as to catch what one breathes out, so as to protect others in the vicinity.
I wear a n95 whenever in public.
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It is my understanding that the use of a mask is not really for what one breathes in, as much as to catch what one breathes out, so as to protect others in the vicinity.
Exactly!
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Dont want to start a mask debate, but I was under the impression that the n95 was about the safest mask to use. The n95 with a valve is NOT recommended, as it expells ones breath which could potentially have C19! It is my understanding that the use of a mask is not really for what one breathes in, as much as to catch what one breathes out, so as to protect others in the vicinity.
I wear a n95 whenever in public.
N95 is a dust mask. We wear them all the time when shovelling grain or working in dusty conditions. The ONLY way that any mask will have ANY positive effect of preventing the spread of COVID is if someone infected coughs or sneezes. The mask, in that situation will catch any "vapour" from the cough which is how the virus spreads without actual contact. If someone has a cough of the sneezes, they should not be out wearing a mask, they should STAY HOME!!. If you don't have a cough or the sneezes, wearing a mask is purely cosmetic.
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