The Ford Barn

zoegrant · 08-28-2013, 10:08 AM

What do you think ? I am thinking 57-58 full size Ford car....... John

40cpe · 08-28-2013, 01:46 PM

It looks like it could be the early Ford bolt pattern. Van Pelt said in your last post that the spline counts you gave started in '58. The trans could fit a variety of early Fords with the right solenoid and clutch disc. I think that bolt pattern goes up through '63.

Fordors · 08-28-2013, 03:19 PM

That transmission is a T-86 built by Warner Gear with a light duty R-10 OD. The T-86 used the stamped steel top cover and three bolt front bearing retainer, while the stronger and more desirable T-85 had a cast iron side cover and a four bolt bearing retainer. The T-85 also used a stronger R-11 OD that has four planet gears compared to the three in a R-10. The T-85 evolved into the T-10 four speed introduced in '57 for the Corvette.
Studebaker used T-86's and had the same bellhousing/trans case bolt pattern, but I don't know the spline count on a Stude input shaft.

zoegrant · 08-28-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally when I picked this tranny up I was thinking of my 55 ford or my 56 t-bird but obviously in hind sight i now realize that it will not work.The tranny came with a bell housing to fit,a solenoid and a govenor....J

Blue Futura · 08-29-2013, 07:53 AM

My dad bought a new 55 ford and i managed to tear 1st gear out of it . Okay i was a teenager and never knew how to drag race , ha ha . But when we removed the trany it had that metal cover on it but the replacement he picked up never . It had the side plate that came off. So luck was with me as he said ," yeah they put a cheap made transmission in it , i think this is a better one" . I still don't know if he knew i was out trying to drag race. So , i believe that might be a 55 ford passenger car transmission.

Ole Don · 08-29-2013, 09:39 AM

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My 55 sedan with a 272 had one like that, but with a four bolt input bearing retainer and fewer splines on the input. I have reason to think it was original.

40cpe · 08-29-2013, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoegrant

Originally when I picked this tranny up I was thinking of my 55 ford or my 56 t-bird but obviously in hind sight i now realize that it will not work.The tranny came with a bell housing to fit,a solenoid and a govenor....J

Why will it not work? Input splines? rear mount location? Overall length?

zoegrant · 08-29-2013, 04:28 PM

When I say it wont work in my cars....I really mean without making an adapter so that the mounting ears would fit where it should. The 55 mount from front of case to center hole of mounting ears is 12 1/2 "....the transmission in question has a measurement of 13 1/8 ".As for the Tbird, the govenor on the transmission in question is facing downward which will be in the way due to the frame. On the 56 T-Bird the govenor faces up.....J

40cpe · 09-03-2013, 07:52 PM

Have you looked at reversing the rear mount? In some cars the mounting holes are offset so turning the mount so it faces the opposite direction makes it right for the OD trans.

zoegrant · 09-03-2013, 10:14 PM

Thanks for that tip of reversing the mount....never thought of doing that....I will look into that for my 55 Ford....still no good for the T-Bird due to the govenor downward position..thanks again...John

zoegrant · 08-15-2019, 01:38 PM

I would like to sell this od tranny $250
also have y-block bellhousings and ring gears

Gene F · 08-15-2019, 07:56 PM

If I were closer I might think about it. Good luck with it.

51504bat · 08-15-2019, 08:39 PM

The Ford narrow bolt pattern went through 1964 based on the 3 speed non o/d trans I took out of a wrecked '64 Comet with a 289 to install in my '65 Falcon which had both the narrow and wide bolt pattern back in HS. The governor and solenoid should be 12 volt which should be desirable to someone wanting to put an o/d unit in a hot rod converted to 12 volt - assuming that the 12 volt units would interchange with 6 volt units. Mac VanPelt would know about that.

rotorwrench · 08-16-2019, 06:03 PM

Ford used both the T86 R10 and the T85 R11 in the late 50s. The T86 was used mostly for lighter duty applications but you could see them on 223 6-cylinder and Y-block V8s. That one has the Ford/BW narrow bolt pattern. The later T85N R11 had both patterns on it. I think they came along in 1965 and lasted through 1972 for F100 pickups mostly. Cars were getting out of the electric overdrive era after 1964.

08-28-2013, 01:46 PM	#2
40cpe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Star, MS Posts: 4,024	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny It looks like it could be the early Ford bolt pattern. Van Pelt said in your last post that the spline counts you gave started in '58. The trans could fit a variety of early Fords with the right solenoid and clutch disc. I think that bolt pattern goes up through '63.

08-28-2013, 03:19 PM	#3
Fordors Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orland Park,IL Posts: 1,402	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny That transmission is a T-86 built by Warner Gear with a light duty R-10 OD. The T-86 used the stamped steel top cover and three bolt front bearing retainer, while the stronger and more desirable T-85 had a cast iron side cover and a four bolt bearing retainer. The T-85 also used a stronger R-11 OD that has four planet gears compared to the three in a R-10. The T-85 evolved into the T-10 four speed introduced in '57 for the Corvette. Studebaker used T-86's and had the same bellhousing/trans case bolt pattern, but I don't know the spline count on a Stude input shaft.

08-28-2013, 10:18 PM	#4
zoegrant Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: tolland CT Posts: 773	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny Originally when I picked this tranny up I was thinking of my 55 ford or my 56 t-bird but obviously in hind sight i now realize that it will not work.The tranny came with a bell housing to fit,a solenoid and a govenor....J

08-29-2013, 07:53 AM	#5
Blue Futura Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: South west Idaho Posts: 45	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny My dad bought a new 55 ford and i managed to tear 1st gear out of it . Okay i was a teenager and never knew how to drag race , ha ha . But when we removed the trany it had that metal cover on it but the replacement he picked up never . It had the side plate that came off. So luck was with me as he said ," yeah they put a cheap made transmission in it , i think this is a better one" . I still don't know if he knew i was out trying to drag race. So , i believe that might be a 55 ford passenger car transmission. __________________ 64 Futura , bought new. 56 ford fairlane , bought about 30 years ago. 35 chevy street rod , started building in 2000.

08-29-2013, 09:39 AM	#6
Ole Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Michael, Minnesota Posts: 1,713	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) My 55 sedan with a 272 had one like that, but with a four bolt input bearing retainer and fewer splines on the input. I have reason to think it was original.

08-29-2013, 04:28 PM	#8
zoegrant Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: tolland CT Posts: 773	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny When I say it wont work in my cars....I really mean without making an adapter so that the mounting ears would fit where it should. The 55 mount from front of case to center hole of mounting ears is 12 1/2 "....the transmission in question has a measurement of 13 1/8 ".As for the Tbird, the govenor on the transmission in question is facing downward which will be in the way due to the frame. On the 56 T-Bird the govenor faces up.....J Last edited by zoegrant; 08-29-2013 at 09:24 PM.

09-03-2013, 07:52 PM	#9
40cpe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Star, MS Posts: 4,024	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny Have you looked at reversing the rear mount? In some cars the mounting holes are offset so turning the mount so it faces the opposite direction makes it right for the OD trans.

09-03-2013, 10:14 PM	#10
zoegrant Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: tolland CT Posts: 773	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny Thanks for that tip of reversing the mount....never thought of doing that....I will look into that for my 55 Ford....still no good for the T-Bird due to the govenor downward position..thanks again...John

08-15-2019, 01:38 PM	#11
zoegrant Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: tolland CT Posts: 773	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny I would like to sell this od tranny $250 also have y-block bellhousings and ring gears

08-15-2019, 07:56 PM	#12
Gene F Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,971	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny If I were closer I might think about it. Good luck with it.

08-15-2019, 08:39 PM	#13
51504bat Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: SoCal-Redlands Posts: 3,019	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny The Ford narrow bolt pattern went through 1964 based on the 3 speed non o/d trans I took out of a wrecked '64 Comet with a 289 to install in my '65 Falcon which had both the narrow and wide bolt pattern back in HS. The governor and solenoid should be 12 volt which should be desirable to someone wanting to put an o/d unit in a hot rod converted to 12 volt - assuming that the 12 volt units would interchange with 6 volt units. Mac VanPelt would know about that. __________________ Making the simple complicated for over 30 years.

08-16-2019, 06:03 PM	#14
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,434	Re: Pictures of unknown tranny Ford used both the T86 R10 and the T85 R11 in the late 50s. The T86 was used mostly for lighter duty applications but you could see them on 223 6-cylinder and Y-block V8s. That one has the Ford/BW narrow bolt pattern. The later T85N R11 had both patterns on it. I think they came along in 1965 and lasted through 1972 for F100 pickups mostly. Cars were getting out of the electric overdrive era after 1964.