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Old 07-01-2019, 02:31 PM   #1
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I took my left reaf hub and drum to a shop to have them swage in some new wheel studs. They got one stud done and then the tool cracked in two places during the second one. I got the $8 "stud installation tool" from a vendor, Snyders I believe. Is there a better tool out there? I'm also considering buying another one and hardening it myself. What say you guys?
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:16 PM   #2
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My tool came from Snyders about 8 years ago. I have done about 100 swages with it without problem. I feel the swage start to flow at about 20 tonnes and I finish at about 25 tons with a nice result. But I have to use 2 flat chisels to release the tool from the operation. I use molybdenum disulphide paste in grease to facilitate the swage, but the tool still jams on the stud. I think Joe K had a method for releasing the tool after swaging by hammering it sideways?
I will look this up and try it next time.
I wonder if your mechanic applied too much more pressure and either cracked the tool or distorted it so it caught on the stud? And then cracked it while removing it. Too soft may distort and bell the end in or out, but too hard may cause brittle cracks on the end of the tool.
My Snyder swaging tool still looks fine but I do run a slip stone through it every now and then just in case a small burr forms inside to cause it to hang-up on the stud.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:39 PM   #4
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:20 PM   #5
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I think I bought my swage tool from Snyders also. I did all 20 lugs and it worked fine and still looks fine. I used a 20 ton press. To get the old lugs out I was going to buy a $100 slugger bit (like an end mill kinda but with a hole trough the center.) For some reason I tried a Bi-Metal hole saw (about $8) and it worked great. Just thought I'd share this.
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Old 07-01-2019, 05:38 PM   #6
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Thanks guys! I guess I’ll order another one and try again.
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SkimmerBob, I just use an ordinary hole saw too. I make sure to go deep enough that a gentle tap with a tiny hammer knocks the relieved stud out, because a hard tap with a bigger hammer bends the hub flange really easily.
When truing a flange in a lathe it is surprising how most of the warps, left between stud holes after freeing it from the drum, can be tweaked out with a crescent wrench, judiciously applied, before taking a skim cut.
In fact I have not bothered to skim lately- I just true up with the crescent. And even this may not be necessary if one bolts the hub up tight to the new drum through all 5 stud holes, before removing one bolt at a time to swage in a new stud.
The drums then all need skimming inside by 8 to 12 thou to true them, despite having been machined round on the inside after casting. That is, all the drums I have done so far, bought from Snyders.
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:32 PM   #8
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I have five Swaging tools, all from Snyder`s that I have installed well over 200 studs with out any problems. there are different length shoulders on the studs. you need to make sure you have the correct studs before installing. or it could be a problem.
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Old 07-02-2019, 07:31 AM   #9
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I have others make this complaint when they brought a partially installed set of drums to me.

The issue with yours is the shop likely used too much pressure on the tool. Yes, the tool Snyder's sells is not the greatest but at $8.00, what quality of materials can someone expect? If you want better, then take what you have as a sample to a local machine shop and let them machine one from a better quality material such as tool steel.
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Old 07-02-2019, 08:51 AM   #10
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If there was somebody better qualified in the Savannah area, I'd gladly bring it to them.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:31 PM   #11
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If there was somebody better qualified in the Savannah area, I'd gladly bring it to them.

If you are willing to bring them to Augusta, GA, I can help you.
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Old 07-06-2019, 02:41 PM   #12
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Thanks Don! I ordered another tool and took it to the same shop. If they can’t do it still, I’ll message you. Appreciate the offer!
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Thanks Don! I ordered another tool and took it to the same shop. If they can’t do it still, I’ll message you. Appreciate the offer!

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