1960 f100 with 292 yblock which auto trans to use?

[56 ford custom]

I have a 1960 f100 with a 292 yblock, the original trans was fluid cooled with a tank on the side with lines that go to the block of the motor. Well the original motor was trash so I scored another 292 with I think to be an air cooled ford o matic trans. Im not sure what trans to use.

[Ole Don]

If the truck will be used just to putz around in, I would use the passenger trans, or convert to a C4.

[Gerry]

Your water cooled Fordo can be re built useing a FMX case and other small parts. You would end up with a full 3 speed from a dead stop. Other than that it would be original and no one would no any different. There are a couple of articles on that subjuet at Y Blocks forever i think.
I have done it on my 54 Sunliner and not sorry at all. Didn.t cost any more than a regular rebuild. I used my stock front pump so didn't need to mess with the torque converter.

[56 ford custom]

Im not looking to rebuild it or anything. I justt need somethhing to put around to and from work and be somewhat dependable.

[all american boy]

56 ford
can you post some pictures of both transmissions?
does the bellhousing on first one look like this?
true air cooled trans was 2 speed fordomatic and
never put behind a V8.
it has air scoop on bellhousing.

Have A Nice Day!

Ford 292 &
Cruise-O-Matic
From Ford '64 F100

[56 ford custom]

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Neither one have a scoop on the bell housing but the one without the cooler has a screen on the back of the bellhousing. The ford o matic in my 56 sedan is air cooled with a scoop.

[all american boy]

56 ford custom
can you do pictures?
this site has the best kind of upload.
you upload straight from computer.
no photo bucket or anything.

my trans has screen like diagram.
so i guess it's figure out what the other
one of yours is.
i think pictures are the way to go.
here's pic of nice 292 AFTER you solve trans puzzle.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

So if it has the screen then what trans is that one? Yes I can post pics of the two trans and my y block

[all american boy]

56 ford custom
i'm pretty sure mine's 'Cruisomatic'.
true 3 speed.
to be honest i'm waiting until i get it all cleaned off
to totally nail what it is.
we can make progress with your original tranny though.
cast iron bellhousing?
cast iron main case?
cast iron tailshaft?
TIP: better just pic's of original trans only first.
from all 4 sides.
trust me, it gets complicated.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well I will post pics of both trans in a couple hours. I want to put this truck back together so I can drive it.

[Paul H]

All FOMs in cars from 51 until mid-56 were air-cooled and were actually 3 speed,although many people think they were 2 speeds because they start off in second in drive.L locks it in first and floorboarding the throttle in drive below about 30 MPH drops it into first.The truck FOMs starting,I think in 54,had an external cooler.After March of 56,all FOMS were water-cooled.

[all american boy]

paul
his username is a car but he's talking about F100.
here's diagram of truck cooler.
my V8 one is mounted FLAT and back further.
those are 1/2" steel water lines, want a set?
same passenger side though.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

ford barner's

well, I'LL post pic's of MY cruisomatic when it's cleaned off.
hmmph!

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well I didnt get to the pics today but hopefully in the morning. Im not sure how to tell the physical difference between the cruis o matic and FOM. I guess I will just wait to post pics and go from there. All I have to say is I need to get this motor and trans in this truck asap!

[all american boy]

56 custom
i'll yield to that.forget the pic's.
don't want any problems that it cause for you on my head.
i have time to take good pic's.
to help other guys when this comes up again.

i'd say use the trans that came out.
then fool around with 'new' trans when
the pressure's off.
so eyeball it and make sure everything matches
with replacement 292.
i'd bypass balance flexplate, etc. issues for now and
just put it together.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Here are pics of the original trans

[56 ford custom]

I will have to try again later. It wouldnt load the pics

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by all american boy

true air cooled trans was 2 speed fordomatic and
never put behind a V8.

These two statements are incorrect. Air cooled Fordomatics were 3 speed. It is a misconception that the air cooled FOM is 2 speed because it normally starts off in second gear unless you accelerate hard from stand still and kicks into first (or you manually put it in first). And yes they were used in V-8 powered cars and trucks.

As far as your picture is concerned, I don't believe that is even a Y-Block bell housing because it states 1964-72 Ford stopped making Y-Blocks in 1964. It's either for a SBF or a FE.

[56 ford custom]

Could somebody post the pics for me? If so pm me. Thank you

[Y-Blockhead]

Was your original trans in good condition when your engine gave up? What is the condition of the new transmission? Do you have any idea what year your new engine/transmission is and if it came out of a car or truck?
Do both Bellhousings have the "ears" for the truck engine mounts (car bells don't have these).

I sent a PM.

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Was your original trans in good condition when your engine gave up? What is the condition of the new transmission? Do you have any idea what year your new engine/transmission is and if it came out of a car or truck?
Do both Bellhousings have the "ears" for the truck engine mounts (car bells don't have these).

I sent a PM.

The original trans worked good just leaked from the pan and shifted alittle hard. I think the trans mounts were gone. The new trans has sat for a while and was told it worked well. Not sure of the years on the new motor and trans. Yes both bellhousings have the ears.

[all american boy]

56 custom
good part is you you just did the pulling engine & tran routine
so putting it back should go smoothly.
as far as original trans leaking and shifting rough
i'd say it ought to to be good for about a year
of normal use.
that unknown tranny if you put it in
and it didn't work at all that would be no good.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well I guess I will be using the old trans? I just dont know what all these lines hook up to. Im going to have to try and post some pics and possibly tranny numbers?

[Y-Blockhead]

You trans cooler should look something similar to this. Also notice screen on back of bell that you mentioned.

[56 ford custom]

Yes that looks very similar to mine! Is it possible that cruise o matics had the same set up?

[Y-Blockhead]

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Originally Posted by 56 ford custom

The original trans worked good just leaked from the pan and shifted alittle hard. Yes both bellhousings have the ears.

That's good news!! The pan gasket is easy to replace and the hard shifting is probably due to the throttle kickdown rod being out of adjustment.

As I mentioned in my e-mail I would go with the original trans, converter, and flex plate on the new engine.

See if you can get some clear pictures so we can see the "hard lines you mentioned that were bolted to the engine? And to determine where to connect the coolant inlet and outlet.

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

That's good news!! The pan gasket is easy to replace and the hard shifting is probably due to the throttle kickdown rod being out of adjustment.

As I mentioned in my e-mail I would go with the original trans, converter, and flex plate on the new engine.

See if you can get some clear pictures so we can see the "hard lines you mentioned that were bolted to the engine? And to determine where to connect the coolant inlet and outlet.

Perfect! Thanks again. I will try to make a path in my garage to get to the tranny and take some more clearer pictures

[Y-Blockhead]

Just a thought... I think you mentioned a hard line from the BACK of the trans case to the engine. That is probably the line from the vacuum modulator to a vacuum source on the engine (such as carb base, intake manifold, etc.)

[56 ford custom]

Thats what I thought too. But it isnt hooked up to anything.

[all american boy]

forder's
my cruisomatic has 3 fittings on passenger side.
2 of them, one above the other up front,
sticking straight out.
and one at lower rear edge that angles up.
i poked around under grunge and i don't
think their is tin oval tag riveted to oval
place on trans.
there might be little tag on pan bolt.
certainly could be there under grunge!
i'll post some pic's in a couple weeks.
nice and clean, all four sides.

Have A Nice Day!

Ford 292 &
Cruise-O-Matic
From Ford '64 F100

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by all american boy

forder's
my cruisomatic has 3 fittings on passenger side.
2 of them, one above the other up front,
sticking straight out.
and one at lower rear edge that angles up.
i poked around under grunge and i don't
think their is tin oval tag riveted to oval
place on trans.
there might be little tag on pan bolt.
certainly could be there under grunge!
i'll post some pic's in a couple weeks.
nice and clean, all four sides.

Have A Nice Day!

Ford 292 &
Cruise-O-Matic
From Ford '64 F100

Sounds good to me! I was going to snap some pics last night but it got late. I will try again today.

[all american boy]

56 custom
neat picture in post #24!
good job redondo.
what's manual say that tranny is?
everything looks just like mine except
cooler on mine is flat not angle up.
the line #3 is above where it says 'oil cooler'.
can't see front two because bracket in way.
56 custom
by the way did YOU ever find tag on oil pan bolt or
oval tag riveted on?

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

All american boy, I havent found anything yet. I am trying to make room in the garage to get to my stuff.

[rick55]

If you have a modulator on the back of the box it is not a Fordomatic. It is almost certainly a Cruisomatic which were also three speed autos. The best option for an auto which is relatively cheap apart from the FOM is to adapt a FMX to the Y block. You can use FOM bellhousing and late flywheel and have the best of everything. My experience of FMX's is that they are almost indestructible. Here in Oz our 59 - 60 Tank Fairlanes used a two speed Cruisomatic which was awful to say the least. This chart should help to identify what you have, bearing in mind that the Fordomatic does not have a modulator.

Regards

[56 ford custom]

Rick, thanks for the illustration. How will I know if my trans has a modulator and what do they look like?

[rick55]

The modulator is a small cylinder with a hose connection point attached to the back of the trans just above the oil pan. The steel line coming out of it, which will be about 1/4" diameter connects either to the manifold vacuum port or the base of the carb. It senses manifold vacuum and affects the way the gears shift.
Regards

[56 ford custom]

Rick do you by chance have a picture of one of these?

[rick55]

Here is a picture of a vacuum modulator. Some though not all cruiseomatics had these.

Here are a couple of ID charts for early Ford autos.


Hopefully all this makes it easier for you.
Regards

[56 ford custom]

Rick you are the man!!!! I will post some pics. I just rolled the truck out.

[56 ford custom]

Here are some pics of the original trans
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w.../oldtrans1.jpg
What is this line that I am pointing at?



This is the long hose that I dont know where it goes

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w.../olftrans6.jpg

[all american boy]

56 custom
oh no! mr bill!
i'll post one of my pic's
when i stop laughing.
your's is as grungy as mine.
LOOKOUT '56!
when i posted my pic's i had soreheads
getting pretty nasty because nobody could see anything.

ok.
so far it does look like mine.
that's good!

this has been worth waiting for!

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

So mine is a cruis o matic?

[all american boy]

'56 custom
BEFORE you disconnect anything!
where do the 2 cooler lines WITH TRANS FLUID IN THEM go to?
mine has 3 fittings on passenger side of main case.
2 upfront by bellhousing HI and LO.
1 at rear of main case LO.
all 3 on the passenger side!

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56 custom
to answer your 'pointing at question'
hang on let me look at your pic's again.
does it come out of front HI?
i went out and looked at mine.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56 custom
so far, yes.
it looks like cruisomatic.
i am trying to help you here.
save you time in the end.
does the line you pointed at
come from front HI?

Have A Nice Day!

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Hi?

[all american boy]

'56
on passenger side.
2 fittings on mine AT FRONT are 'ONE ABOVE THE OTHER'
that gives a HI and a LO one.
1 fitting at back is all by it's lonesome and LO (low on case, near bottom)
is pointed at tube coming out of FRONT HI (high) fitting/tapped hole?
bob

[all american boy]

'56
here's pic of mine.
one line on the left and
two on the right.
two on the right.
one is 'upper' and one is 'lower'
where does your line you pointed to
go to?

bob

[56 ford custom]

I will have to check on it

[Paul H]

AAB,
If the transmission in your 64 is original to that vehicle,it's a COM.The two fittings on the side are for cooler lines.The fitting on the lower rear is for a vacuum modulator.The modulator screws into that fitting and a vacuum line runs from there to an outlet on the intake manifold of the engine.


56 Ford Custom,
The FOMs did not have a vacuum modulator.An air cooled FOM would not have any fittings on the case for cooling lines.FOMs made after mid-56 do have fittings for cooler lines,but not for a modulator.

[56 ford custom]

Thats some good info. I would really like to know what my two transmissions are. So ai get get this truck and car put together.

[all american boy]

'56
how about saying which fitting the
line you were pointing to goes to?
if it goes to either one of front 2 fittings
and which one, upper or lower?
bob

[all american boy]

'56
after you find which fitting the line
you pointed to goes to do this:
1 the two lines on TOP of cooler are
are the fluid lines.
they SHOULD go to the REMAINING 2 fittings on
side of trans.
2 now you clean trans
3 take off cooler and trans lines and water lines.
you're not putting them back on.
4 get 2 brass barbs from napa and 2 feet of black fuel hose.
5 put the barbs in the 2 TRANS FLUID fittings.
bypass the trans cooler for now.
6 put the engine and trans back in truck.
7 get a trans temp gauge from napa
drill a hole in trans pan. put the sender in.
8 drill a hole in floor
9 put the gauge on a rag on the floor

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56
monday morning you call Charlytranny.com
http://www.charlietranny.com/
ask him if your tranny will stay in safe temperature range with
TRUCK TRANS COOLER W/WATER LINES removed & bypassed.
also ask him if fuel line will hold trans line pressure.

the extra line left over i'm 90% sure is VENT.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56
about that truck trans cooler
i read that is to WARM THE TRANS UP!
it's for when the temperature is 10 degrees outside.
engine water will get warmer faster than
trans fluid.
i live in california so bye-bye to that warmer/cooler on my trans.
your truck will drive with the bypass.
i guarantee you that you can test that tranny w/bypass hose setup.
if you want to put trans warmer/cooler back on later.
go for it!

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

So if im going to be gettubg rid of it should I use the other trans?

[all american boy]

'56
just leave the warmer/cooler off.

use the transmission you've posted pic's of.

you're ready to put it all back together!

bob

[all american boy]

'56
i would clean tranny real good.

i figure you have a pressure washer.

gunk and a hose with good water pressure will work.

for this get 4 or 6 cans.

use GUNK BRAND-ORIGINAL FORMULA.CHECK CAN BEFORE YOU BUY.

let the gunk do the work.

soak grunge real good.

leave it for 10-20 min.

come back and spray it.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Im sorry if I seem slow. Its just I have nno idea how to bypass or not use this cooler or warmer. Im nervous about doing that. I dont want to mess anything up.

[all american boy]

'56
not at all.

follow cooler lines from
warmer/cooler to fittings.
draw yourself a little picture.
where two lines go in tranny.
doesn't matter which is pump out & return.

then you're ready to START CLEANING!

before you put tranny back in
hook up 2 feet of hose.

bob

[56 ford custom]

What am I doing with 2 feet of hose

[all american boy]

'56
ok.
until further notice
i'm treating this as a hoax.
no more posts here for me.
if someone else wants to
explain this to him fine.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

This is not a hoax, I am trying to understand it all before doing something wrong. Im gonna go buy some degreaser and clean it up as much as I can. Then post more pics for you?

[all american boy]

'56
i'm very sorry.
now you're making me feel like the lowest kind of rat.
let me know if you want to talk to
chary tranny on phone.

bob

[all american boy]

'56
masking tape and baggies
on tranny where water might get in.
a little water is ok.
can change fluid later.

bob

[56 ford custom]

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I will shoot you a pm

[rick55]

If you have a tranny with cooler lines do not plug them up. The killer with autos is heat. This is why in 56 FOMs were fitted with water cooling lines. You can always put an aftermarket transmission cooler in your car and mount it up front by the radiator. The COM is a true three speed transmission and when you start in L or or D1 it will start off in 1st gear without having to floor the accelerator like a FOM. The COM is an evolution of the FOM which is why they look so similar. The FMX is a hybrid of the two essentially and as I have said probably the better of the three. It was used in the States to about 79 and 82 here in Oz. it will bolt to a FOM bellhousing with minor modification but will need to use the later flexplate as it uses a converter which is smaller than the FOM. It does not have the rear pump that the FOM has, so cannot be push started to start engine like the FOM.
Your easiest and best solution is to use the COM with a separate transmission cooler so long as it is one of the three speed variety. They are just a bit more driver friendly than the FOM.
Regards

[56 ford custom]

Thanks for that. Now I understand alittle bit more on these transmissions. Now I just need to get the trans cleaned up so I can gauranty its a com.

[56 ford custom]

Ok I got a few more pics for you guys

This picture is a hard line coming from a fitting right under the top bolt that bolts trans to bellhousing on passenger side.


Here is the cooler


Here is a pic of the bellhusing with the mounting ears to prove its for a truck


That yellowish colored hardline thats going into the passenger front side of the motor is coming from the cooler


The drivers side cooler line


Drivers side


This hardline goes into the housing of the trans right above the bottom bolt for the trans into the bellhousing on drivers side. It comes upto the motor on a bracket but doesnt hook up to anything.


Same hard line as pic above. Right before shifting arms

[all american boy]

'56
picture #1
vent line
picture #2
transmission fluid lines in & out to cooler

suggestion: call the lines to engine block
'water transmission cooler lines'

is trans still connected to old engine?

bob

[all american boy]

'56
line on DRIVERS side of trans:
when i posted mine
best story i heard is it's to
hook up gauge to adjust something
in trans

those WATER lines AT block:
when i took them off WITH flare nut wrench
fittings in block crumbled apart from corrosion
AT THE BLOCK END OF LINES

bob

[all american boy]

'56
notes

KEEP CLEANING!

PLUG VENT LINE IN PIC #1 DURING CLEANING
tap a golf tee into it lightly!

bob

[all american boy]

'56
take the cooler off and put it in garage
connect the two cooler lines in pic #2
to each other
with rubber fuel line
then call charley

if you have to later
you can go get junkyard radiator
with trans cooler in bottom tank and
run lines up to it

go get 'em champ!

bob

[56 ford custom]

I was actually told that its better to run a seperate cooler. By the way whats wrong with what I have?

[all american boy]

'56
sounds like things have slowed down there.
that's a good thing.

what's wrong with 'mounted on trans' cooler?

remember my story about corroded block
fittings for water lines?

if you 'bonk' one of those lines while you're putting
eng/trans back in it'll be a real nightmare getting
broken fitting out of block with engine IN the truck.

take that old style cooler off now while it's easy.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by all american boy

'56
sounds like things have slowed down there.
that's a good thing.

what's wrong with 'mounted on trans' cooler?

remember my story about corroded block
fittings for water lines?

if you 'bonk' one of those lines while you're putting
eng/trans back in it'll be a real nightmare getting
broken fitting out of block with engine IN the truck.

take that old style cooler off now while it's easy.

bob

Ok, well.does anyone sel a kit specifically for this so I.can bolt on and go?

[all american boy]

'56
1 to be on safe side.
you know how to use a tubing cutter?
do you have one?

2 cut 2 transmission cooler FLUID lines
2" from fittings.

3 clamp on your piece of BLACK REINFORCED fuel line.
that way fluid circulates.
out one and in the other.

4 now you can finish putting truck back together.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56
NOTES:

NAPA has all parts you need.
REGISTER YOUR ACCOUNT ONLINE.
PM ME IF YOU NEED HELP DOING IT

YES THEY WOULD HAVE A LITTLE TRANS COOLER KIT
TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOUR PRESENT RADIATOR.

2 is it FREEZING where you are.
now that you have a plan
you could cover it with tarps and wait a month or two.

Have A Nice Day!

[Y-Blockhead]

I would recommend NOT bypassing the transmission cooler. The transmission will overheat. If you are concerned about the condition of the cooler lines replace them.

Or replace the water/trans fluid cooler with a air/trans fluid cooler.

Here is a picture of mine;

[56 ford custom]

All american, I really dont want to bypass a cooler. I really want the trans to have one. Its not cold here...I am in souther california.

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

I would recommend NOT bypassing the transmission cooler. The transmission will overheat. If you are concerned about the condition of the cooler lines replace them.

Or replace the water/trans fluid cooler with a air/trans fluid cooler.

Here is a picture of mine;

Did you have the same trans? Did it have the same exactly cooler with the lines going into the block of the motor? Can you post more pics of the trans too?

[all american boy]

'56
1 charley tranny usually anwers his e mails
after work
i left him one saturday with link to this thread.

2 there's no phone # on his website

3 he's in michigan
i sure hope the communication is good between
you two.

4 here's his link
http://www.charlietranny.com/index.htm
how about leaving him an e mail
just click on 'contact charley tranny'
in upper right hand corner

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Im just looking to hear from somebody that has or is using this cooler. Is it worth converting.to another cooler or using what I have.

[all american boy]

'56
1 here's pic of MY 'water transmission cooler'

2 here's my PASSENGER side 'mystery' line.
probably to hook a gauge to.

3 WE HAVE THE SAME TRANS!

bob

[rick55]

Try this link for cooler kits for comparison - any of these would be more efficient than what you have. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/search...on-cooler.html
Here in Oz I always use biggest one that will fit where I want to fit it. Any of them will suit your conditions.
I wouldn't use the original cooler as it is probably sludged up or ready to blow after all these years.
Regards

[56 ford custom]

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Yes!! That is the line. But out of all the forums nobody knows exactly what it is. I have another trans here with the same thing.

[all american boy]

'56
here are pic of my bellhousing and
the tranny.

1 i think you ought to keep cleaning yours.

2 look for id tag on transmission pan bolt

3 bypass cooler FOR NOW
it can be setup later.

4 put truck together.
since you WERE in a big hurry.

bob

i will look for pic's of WATER lines.

[all american boy]

rick
look!
'56 got excited!
your being a great guy rick.

bob

[all american boy]

'56
the line!!
we can call it 'drivers side pressure testing line'!
makes sense.
it's handy to drivers seat.
hopping in and out of car.
you lay gauge on fender
.
mine the tab bolted to cylinder head.

i'm looking for water line pic's.

bob

[all american boy]

'56
here's pic's of my water lines.
they're actually in very good condition.
except for fittings at block but that
doesn't affect steel lines.
fittings are separate parts.

bob

since it was so hard to find other pic's
i went out and took these.

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by 56 ford custom

Did you have the same trans? Did it have the same exactly cooler with the lines going into the block of the motor? Can you post more pics of the trans too?

I used to have a '56 F-100 with a automajic and a cooler similar to the one you have (picture I posted earlier).

This cooler is on my Ranchwagon that has a C-4 trans. I posted this picture just to show you ONE option you could use instead of bypassing the cooler and possibly ruining your transmission. All coolers basically hook up the same way to your trans... oil out, oil in.

I already gave you my opinion on what you should do; old trans in good shape, clean muck off, replace oil filter and pan gasket, inspect cooler lines, install old trans, converter, flex plate on new engine, install in truck, adjust kick down properly so it doesn't shift hard, drive and enjoy.

Someone mentioned using gas hose on your cooler. Not a good idea. Get hose made for the purpose.

[Y-Blockhead]

Here's a link to proper transmission hose using Rick's suggested vendor. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/3-8-In...DisplayId=6768

You should be able to get it at your local auto parts house.

[56 ford custom]

Sorry if I bothered anyone here. I am just trying to figure and understand everything. For me this feels like open heart surgery. I want it all to go well. I am using gunk right now and its working like a dream. All the caked on oil and sludge is coming right off. I will try to get this clean as possible before its too late tonight. i would like to get some clean pics and numbers up on here.

[56 ford custom]

Ok lets see if the site will load these to pics on a few numbers.

[all american boy]

'56
here's chart
http://cogpro.com/extra/ID-Charts/pa...rt0002_jpg.htm
look all the way at the bottom
where my '64 F100 is.
you have to move slider at bottom of page to the right to
see rest of page the way the guy put pages on there.
note: first line in '64 'box' is E100 6 cyl is a C4.

its' a cruisomatic 3 speed!

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

So its a 1964 cruiseamatic?

[all american boy]

'56
yes. your's is cruisomatic
no. it's not a '64.
i just had that chart bookmark handy.
i posted your tag # on another forum.
probably get an answer today.
maybe somebody here that knows will answer.

PBW means it's a cruisomatic.
maybe F is year. i don't know.
probably find out soon though!

your trans looks cleaner!

Have A Nice Day!

[rick55]

If you go back to when I posted Id pictures of different autos you will find yours is a 58-60 box. The fact that you have the plate riveted on the side of the case means it is a COM prior to 61. Even the casting letters on the box above the I'd plate which say B8or9A means it is a 58 or 9 casting which fits with what you say it came out of. It even states that it is fitted to a 292 cu in engine.
Regards

[56 ford custom]

Sounds great guys!

[all american boy]

'56
here's chart for '64 and up.
http://www.fordification.com/tech/tr...4-72trucks.htm
working on chart that covers your year.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Ok cool. waiting for the 60 chart. Thanks

[all american boy]

'56 Ford Custom
Att'n: new post is next step!
FX or MX

that other chart is on the way.
the guy with that gets up at 3:30 AM
but Pacific Time Zone ( california )
should have that later today.

why you have transmission handy
you should check and see if it's FX or MX.
it's optional, you're all set really.

i think the key to it is corner bolts
FX has more bolts right at the corners of pan.

[all american boy]

'56 custom
something to think about.

you can call your tranny Cruisomatic or Fordomatic.
Ford uses both names and then a couple more.

long as you got your ID tag letters & numbers your ok.

i just like Cruisomatic better.
you know cruising on Saturday night?
sounds faster.

plus i'm putting mine in Bucket T.
have to add some style you know!

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

So the numbers and tag I posted are for a cruis o matic?

[56 ford custom]

Well I looked all over and I didnt find any other numbers or tags

[all american boy]

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'56
you are totally ok.
you have cruisomatic/fordomatic.
3 speed automatic.
the correct one for a 1960 Ford F100.

see if you can do the FX or MX pan identification
while you have transmission out of the truck.
pan gasket pic's are in post right here in our forum.

that will be useful when you change trans fluid
in a month or two to give you a little 'insurance'.

sit tight i'll put up some samples about how
Ford service manuals sometimes call your
PBW-F transmission a Crusomatic and
sometimes they call it a Fordomatic.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56
if you want to do something neat.
unbolt bellhousing from trans.

it's four big bolts holding it on.
if it sticks a little.
tap it with a 2 x 4 pine stud. until it moves around a little.
it'll come off!

that way you can clean the heck out of it
without worrying about getting water in trans.
then slowly clean trans.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Thanks all american! I will try splitting the trans today.

[all american boy]

'56
just take bellhousing off.
part in pic.
leave the tailshaft one!

maybe soak seam between
bellhousing and trans with 3 in 1 oil.
then tap it with tack hammer. lightly.
to help it soak in.

good deal!
bob

[56 ford custom]

Well shouldnt I take the the trans and housing off together as one?

[all american boy]

'56
sounds like you still have trans on engine.

yes.take it off like regular one piece trans.

after you get it off.

then separate them for cleaning.

Have A Nice Day!

[Y-Blockhead]

56 Ford, Is your trans still connected to the engine like it appears in your picture? If so remove the Trans, Bell AND torque converter as a unit. DO NOT just pull the trans off the back by itself. You will probably screw up the front seal and may damage the front pump or front pump drive on the converter. You want to be able to pull the converter straight off the turbine shaft and pump drive. Just my 1¢.

It may not be a bad idea to replace the front seal once you have it apart tho.

[56 ford custom]

Thanks guys. I will do exactlty how you have said. How hard is it to replace the seal?

[Y-Blockhead]

Just like any other seal, remove the old and install the new. Careful not to get any junk in trans.

[56 ford custom]

The seal that is in the front of the trans nearest the bell housing? How is it removed?

[all american boy]

'56
how about giving a signal when you have:
1 trans off engine.
2 torque converter removed from flex plate
3 flexplate removed from engine.

the 4 converter nuts come off like regular nuts and bolts

the 6 flexplate to crankshaft bolts are on with about 90 lbs torque.

in plain language. THEY'RE REALLY ON THERE!

recommend impact gun and impact sockets.

then ask about front seal again.

Have A Nice Day!

[all american boy]

'56
IF YOU DO GET SEAL.
here's Charley Tranny E mail Order page.
http://www.charlietranny.com/Contact.html
include your first name & phone number in e mail.
GET SEAL FROM HIM ONLY.

i can get my seal from NAPA.
i'm not in a hurry.
i can get one from NAPA and if it's wrong one it's no big deal to me.
i have time to try some other part #.
i don't think you want wrong seal the first time.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Ok I will seperate them today and get as much cleaned as possible. It has been raining here and cold. Dont feel like getting me or my baby sick.

[all american boy]

'56
big yes.
keep an eye on the baby.

left e mail with Charley Tranney.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Ok thanks

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by all american boy

'56
how about giving a signal when you have:
1 trans off engine.
2 torque converter removed from flex plate
3 flexplate removed from engine.

LAST time I'm going to say it. Unbolt torque converter from flex plate and remove as unit, Torque converter, bell housing and transmission. THEN remove torque converter from trans. Otherwise you have the possibility of damaging the front pump, stater, and/or torque converter hub.

Do not pull the transmission with the converter still attached to the flex plate.

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

LAST time I'm going to say it. Unbolt torque converter from flex plate and remove as unit, Torque converter, bell housing and transmission. THEN remove torque converter from trans. Otherwise you have the possibility of damaging the front pump, stater, and/or torque converter hub.

Do not pull the transmission with the converter still attached to the flex plate.

Thats what I was going to do.

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

LAST time I'm going to say it. Unbolt torque converter from flex plate and remove as unit, Torque converter, bell housing and transmission. THEN remove torque converter from trans. Otherwise you have the possibility of damaging the front pump, stater, and/or torque converter hub.

Do not pull the transmission with the converter still attached to the flex plate.

Thats what I was going to do.

[Y-Blockhead]

That is not the sequence American Boy outlined for you. I was afraid you would follow his sequence and mess up the pump.

Sorry if I came on a little strong.

[rick55]

When I removed the auto from my 55, I had no choice with pulling the trans. The engine was seized solid. A 25,000 mile engine left outside for 48 years with exhaust manifold off and blown head gasket. Completely stuffed a good engine.
I left the torque converter bolted to the flywheel and pulled the box straight back. I wasn't worried about the seal as I wanted to replace the front and rear seal and torque converter "O" ring. I got it apart with no damage, but I was very careful pulling the box.
I was always told that if the torque converter is removed from the trans the seal should be replaced.
Regards

[all american boy]

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'56
ok. i'll eat dirt on that one.

1 take off inspection cover
that's half round piece of tin on front lower half of bellhousing

2 rotate engine spark plugs out
take off 4 flexplate to converter nuts

3 take off bellhousing to engine bolts

4 pull trans back

5 keep pushing converter back onto transmission shaft
while getting trans off engine.

6 when trans is off THEN pull converter straight off

bob

i just don't want anybody that remembers me driving my
54 Ford Crestliner to Redondo High thinking i've slipped a little
and do things like getting my classic car painted at Earl Sheib's

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by all american boy

i just don't want anybody that remembers me driving my
54 Ford Crestliner to Redondo High thinking i've slipped a little
and do things like getting my classic car painted at Earl Sheib's

You went to Redondo High?

[all american boy]

redondo ( y blockhead ) ok to pm you over weekend w/fond memories

'56 custom should do this:

1 put in later radiator w/transmission cooler in bottom tank.

2 put original cooler parts in his garage and give them to

new owner if he sells truck.

reasons why:

1 i don't think his replacement 292 has truck water lines

for transmission cooler on it.

2 my brass fittings at block for truck trans cooler just fell apart

when i went to remove water lines.

3 whole truck trans cooler setup will be always in the way

when working on almost anything later.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Well I split the motor and trans tonight. I took off the coolant lines from old motor and they are in great condition. The actually cooler on the trans needs some good cleaning. Other then that. I will be using the original setup. Should hold up descent.

[all american boy]

'56
ok.
well my modernize it approach
is just the way i do things.
if you want to keep it that original
go ahead.
sounds like things are going smoothly now.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Here are the pics of last nights accomplishments:





How do you go bout cleaning out inside of the cooler inlet and outlets? Looks to have a bit of sludge inside.

[all american boy]

john

1 use pad and pencil to make reassembly notes

2 check for 1 or 2 converter drain plugs

3 MAKE SURE DRAIN PLUG OR PLUGS LINE UP
WITH 2 ROUND ACCESS HOLES IN FLEX PLATE!

cover your little radiator next

bob

[all american boy]

john

1 that little radiator should go to
old fashioned radiator shop to be tanked.

that's about all there is to that.

bob

[all american boy]

john

how bob would tackle this:

1 on new motor

get water line fittings OUT first

plug them! should have NO EFFECT on block circulation.

2 get trans cooler fittings OUT.

put two nice brass barbs in line in and line out

put the rubber hose on between them.

CONTINUE REASSEMBLING TRUCK AND

FOOL WITH COOLER LATER.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Ok so just take it off of the trans and take it in along with my radiator and have them both gone through? Also the other big soft line coming off of it does it go to the water pump?

[all american boy]

john

1 getting fittings out NOW is something you
want to do anyhow.

2 you want them to be SERVICEABLE in future.

3 whether you go original or update is something else.

4 i would whip those fittings into shape NOW.

bob

[all american boy]

john

YES.

radiator & cooler. OFF TO THE RADIATOR SHOP.

what big soft line?

how about a pic?

bob

[56 ford custom]

The brass fittings that were on the block of the motor? Those came right off! Very easily. If you look at the last pic of the cooler on the trans. There are an inlet and out. The one with the hose off goes to the bellhousing where there is a "t" fitting that splits it to both sides of the block. Then the cooler that has the hose still on it thats the hose that is very long.

[all american boy]

john
the young bull and the old bull look down and
see a bunch of cows.
the young bull says 'lets RUN down there and
MEET a cow.'

the old bull says
'let's walk down there and MEET them all!'

this old bull is telling you.

1 just put it back together the bob way.

2 get an online manual for $20 and

steadily 'restore' odd ball cooling system that
was only used a couple of years and was never
heard from again.

bob

[all american boy]

john

got it!

truck trans cooler
water lines not fluid lines

1 one you took off goes to:

steel line Y

2 one still on cooler is mystery

solution:

i will send you pic of my intake

i 'believe' it connected up there.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Bob did you happen to get the pic I sent you of that hose?

[all american boy]

john
yes.
i will post pic of intake.
here's so so pic of intake.
i will go out and take closeup.

do you want name of cd manual's
the master ford parts guy mentioned?

i just noticed cut off hose.
do we have a match?
i'd get a manual really.

bob

[56 ford custom]

It wasnt of intake it was of motor and trans. Thanks

[56 ford custom]

Sorry about that. Your pic barely popped up...my damn phone sucks haha. I honestly dont know if the hose went the the water pump or intake. I will have to do more research. Hopefully somebody with the same set up chimes in.

[all american boy]

john

look at THIS pic on your pc.

click on it to enlarge.

this pic is just fine

master parts guy said 'hipoparts.com' for 'Parts Lists'
they may have '60 F100 shop manual on cd.

i would not go hooking things up on 'opiniyoneys'
unless you don't care what happens to your engine.

bob

[56 ford custom]

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Ok cool. I will see if they have a manual that covers thelat tranny.

[56 ford custom]

This hose coming off of the cooler onto the floor. That is the hose im not sure of where it goes. Either the manifold or water pump?

[all american boy]

john
i'll go out and take pic of intake like it is now.
later today.
hoses and clamps are off.
fitting to rear is vacuum it has pvc on end.
that leaves on top 5/8" water and out the front 5/8" water.
i would say it's the on top one.
mine has bicycle tire valve fitting on top of it.
old timey flushing the block deal.
you'll see it better in new pic.
bob

[56 ford custom]

Ok ill check it out

[56 ford custom]

Nobody here has has experience or even used one of these transmissions with a cooler like this? Im just trying to figure out Where the hose goes from the cooler? Does it go to the water pump or the intake? Also I need to figure out where the hoses go from the heater aswell.

[56 ford custom]

Anyone figure this out yet? I still have found nothing on it.

[all american boy]

56 Custom Ford

do i remember where hoses went? no.

the fitting on the intake straight up near front of intake

is a water fitting.

the other one is intake vacuum w/PCV valve on it

on thermo housing is straight out water 5/8" fitting.

water pump

straight back probably connects to thermo housing straight out one.

pipe headed out passenger side.

it looks like it's either one on top of intake

or water pump passenger side.

bob

( click on pictures to see them better )

[all american boy]

56 Custom Ford

1 set the the intake on long block

2 hang water pump by a bolt or two

3 see where hose fits the best.

no warranty implied.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Was your original trans in good condition when your engine gave up? What is the condition of the new transmission? Do you have any idea what year your new engine/transmission is and if it came out of a car or truck?
Do both Bellhousings have the "ears" for the truck engine mounts (car bells don't have these).

I sent a PM.

Trans worked descent. No Idea on new tranny. I want told the year of the new motor and trans. Yes they are both from a truck.

[rick55]

The front connection on the manifold looks like the heater takeoff point with what is left of a tap.
The other connection in front of the carburetor flange must be vacuum cos there ain't no water there. Don't connect your cooler there unless you want to flood the engine with water.
As I have said before, throw the old cooler in the bin or put it on the shelf. Do yourself a favour and get an aftermarket cooler and mount it in front of the radiator. Do not run the trans fluid through a cooler in the radiator.
Regards

[all american boy]

rick 55

i'm going to help you learn and stay young.

1 about slightly misnamed trans cooler either this rare truck one

or what became standard later using the bottom tank of radiator.

THE WATER GETS HOT BEFORE TRANS FLUID WILL.

IT 'PRE-WARMS' THE TRANSMISSON.AUTOMATICS DON'T LIKE COLD.

2 the small add on radiator you keep talking about.

is what's known here as an 'add on' extra cooling small cooler

sometimes part of a towing package or police package.

it's not meant to replace a bottom tank radiator transmission 'cooler'.

TRANSMSSION WILL NOT GET HELP GETTING UP TO TEMP IT LIKES TO RUN AT.

bob

[56 ford custom]

An old timer/friend came in and said to keep it and that the hose hooks up to the waterpump. So I will take the radiator and cooler or whatever you want to call it to the radiator shop to have cleaned and pressure tested.

[all american boy]

56 ford custom

that worked out!

put any other questions here if needed.

have a nice day

bob

[56 ford custom]

Ok well I need to get this dang tranny clean really good. I want it to look factory so I dont want to paint it. Were the bellhousings and tranny case painted or plain? If they were plain what can I do so they dont rust?

[all american boy]

56 Ford Custom

1 remember to take bellhousing off and

gunk and pressure wash separate.

then plug up rest of tranny real good before cleaning.

then you're done that.

then dump oil in a day or two after it's running.

2 no paint on trans.

helps heat dissipate.

yeah. where your at and if you keep it.

it will get rusty by the year 4000 like Star Trek era.

bob

[56 ford custom]

Haha! Ok well I will do that hopefully today then. I now needto find a radiator shop near by.

[all american boy]

'56 Custom

you successfully 'broke loose' the two steel lines

'of' the truck style transmission cooler?

can you post a pic of passenger side of trans

main case now?

have you solved mystery of what the remaining line

on the passenger side is?

bob

[56 ford custom]

Well I got the bellhousing off now I am still cleaning everything. Its pretty bad haha. The big long hose is going to the water pump for "Pressure"

[all american boy]

custom

remember to post picture of

passenger side of trans.

repeat: let the Gunk do the work.

spray it on real good

maybe 2 or 3 coats.

go do something for 20-30 min.

regular hose ought to do it.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

I let it sit for quite some time last night....its soo damn gunked up. I also used alittle brush but it just piles up on the brush. Or I need a better brush?

[all american boy]

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custom

1 if you're using a brush at all your doing

something wrong.

Gunk Original Formula.

it's just plain thin liquid spray like WD 40.

soak grunge on trans real good.

let sit awhile.

should come right off.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

This said original but its a foam

[all american boy]

custom

i'm looking at can i bought at walmart.

blue & orange.

Gunk

'engine brite'

Engine Degreaser

Original

no i haven't sprayed mine yet.

i do sort of remember foam thing.

then it turns to liquid.

can you take that picture please?

so we can move on to that other fitting?

we are trying to help other little Fordomatic

owners here at the same time.

aren't we?

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well the second hose goes to the water pump for flow and pressure. I will post pics after work.

[all american boy]

custom

i meant the

passenger side

main transmission case

showing:

two fittings where the cooler hooks up

and steel 'mystery' line

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well I was told it was a breather line. Its an open line that points back towards the rear of the case.

[56 ford custom]

Well I have been cleaning the front section of the frame and the rest of the trans. Im still trying to find some literature and shop pictures of this trans and to prove to myself how the inlet hose hooks up to the water pump or if it has a t that splits it to the heater. Somebody here must have the same set up or have some pics.

[all american boy]

56 custom

some suggestions:

1 start a new post with that specific question

including as many pictures as you can.

2 get a manual.

http://www.forelpublishing.com/estor...?idproduct=343

there's an old timer sitting in Virginia waiting for

your $25 plus a couple of bucks shipping.

that link is for '64 manual, make sure you get a '60 one.

Have A Nice Day!

[56 ford custom]

Well I am being told that this isnt the stock trans so I dont think that would do me any good.

[56 ford custom]

After talking with multiple people on different forums and on phone... This trans is correct for my truck. Also the "cooler" isnt a cooler its a "heat exchanger" if anyone here has the same set up please post pictures of how its all put together or a diagram from a manual. Thank you

[mchawk]

If anyone is still interested here is a diagram.

I have this same setup on my two 67 F250 camper specials with 352's, but the water lines come out of both sides of the block, diagram only shows one side.

The T- fitting in the lower radiator hose on both of mine rusted out and I had some made out of exhuast pipe.

I have since junked the heat exchangers on both because of leaks and plumbed to the lower radiator tank and then to a tranny cooler in front of the radiator.

[56 ford custom]

Good afternoon fellas. Well I had put a stop on the transmission cooler situation for some time now and fully restored the chassis. Now im ready to figure out this issue. Any help would be great! Thanks.

[jimc9990]

Originally Posted by 56 ford custom

Good afternoon fellas. Well I had put a stop on the transmission cooler situation for some time now and fully restored the chassis. Now im ready to figure out this issue. Any help would be great! Thanks.

Since you are undecided still and ask, here it is.

Do your self a favor and do as " rick55" suggested on 2-20-2012 post # 155 and forget the old "heat exchanger / cooler " . Put a good one in front of the radiator. I have been doing it that way for 20+ years and have never had any problems with my tranys when it is cold . I'v done it with both Ford and Chevy transmissions , no problems. Why do you think nobody is using the old "heat exchanger" ? They were crap and that's probably the reason Ford quit using them.

You ask and that's my humble opinion , have a good day.

JIM



.

[56 ford custom]

I have decided to stay with the heat exchanger. I just need to connect it all correctly.

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by jimc9990

Since you are undecided still and ask, here it is.

Do your self a favor and do as " rick55" suggested on 2-20-2012 post # 155 and forget the old "heat exchanger / cooler " . Put a good one in front of the radiator. I have been doing it that way for 20+ years and have never had any problems with my tranys when it is cold . I'v done it with both Ford and Chevy transmissions , no problems. Why do you think nobody is using the old "heat exchanger" ? They were crap and that's probably the reason Ford quit using them.

You ask and that's my humble opinion , have a good day.

JIM.

On my '71 F100 with a C6, I made a cooler out of parts from an old freezer, mounted it in front of the radiator. 30 years later still doing it's job