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Old 02-05-2015, 02:10 PM   #1
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For my birthday my son made me a 13/32 deep well socket. this thing is really slick. So my question to you Barners is would there be any interest in having him make a few more? Not sure what the cost would be yet, naturally the more to be made the cheaper they would be.
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:11 PM   #2
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Pictures are nice...
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I would also like to see pictures. Depends on the cost to make. How does the one he made you work? A friend also expressed interest.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:05 PM   #4
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The Jets in the Zenith and Holley Carburetors are Millimeter; the only two that require a socket to remove or install are the Cap and Idle jets.

A number of years ago I went to a business that carried Millimeter sizes as well as the standard sizes. Took a Cap and Idle jet with me. A deep well 1/4"
drive 8 millimeter socket fits the Cap jet perfectly; I also got a short 1/4" drive millimeter socket that fit the Idle jet, I ground the end so I could use a small crescent on it. I cannot red the millimeter size as it was where I ground.

For the other Jets I ground a good quality screwdriver to fit the slots so I would not damage the Jets, also narrowed the screwdriver so it would enter the needle driver hole for those carburetors that had a removable needle seat, it also works fine on the Main jet which is installed from the bottom.

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Old 02-05-2015, 06:33 PM   #5
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You can buy a KR Wilson Zenith socket wrench #359 from the Parts vendors that is 9/32 on one end and 5/16 on the Other for $12.00.
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Old 02-05-2015, 08:18 PM   #7
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somehow we went from 13/32 to 9/32 and 15/16
anyone for 79/183 ?
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I've never seen a carburetor jet that needed a nearly 1 inch socket!
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:24 AM   #9
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Ok folks,

I am the son who made the 13/32" socket to fit the zenith gav for my father.

I was unaware of ford barn until today when my father mentioned it with regard to the socket, and decided to take a look. As usual I saw the normal forum responses which end up clouding the issue of the original question or post.

I sent an email to my father regarding some of the questions raised in the thread which is as follows.

"Noticed guys were asking how the socket was made, basically wondering about quality and fit and such. Here is what you can tell them.

We start with a blank impact socket which has been annealed (not been hardened). We drill the socket, then broach the ends. Obviously the 13/32 end is broached using a special 6pt. corner relief broach that I had made. The 6 point design is the real key to the perfect fit. The other end is broached for 3/8 drive. We then harden the socket to approximately 41-51 Rockwell c. Obviously we just engraved yours with the size, but should we make any more we will probably stamp the size on them prior to heat treat making them look more professional.

As far as fit, you can attest to that, but the actual clearance we designed for was .004" (or 4 thousandths of an inch) overall, which is why it fits so well and should not mark or round the original part in any way due to perfect contact on the flats. The minimal clearance works due to the fact that the original part was made about 1-1.5 thousandths under 13/32". The socket will also fit the one you sent me that was all mangled up since the flats were still there but the corners were missing.

As you know there is about 6 months or more of R&D and trial and error in this thing, but at least it's perfect, lol.

If there are any further technical questions you can give them my email if need be."

Now I do not spend to much time on these forums so any further questions should probably be addressed to my father who started this thread, since I may not even look at this again. I am sure he will let me know of any further interest or concerns.

I am assuming he will provide pictures of the finished prototype at some point in time next week, but if not for whatever reason, I will be happy to do so myself if need be.

One last thing. I appreciate all of you enthusiasts who keep the history of these older vehicles alive. At 50 years of age, I do appreciate these older cars, but will admit that my focus is more along the lines of building racing motorcycles for my sons at this point. Hopefully at some point in time I will be able to retire and own a model A of my own.

Sorry dad, probably irritated a bunch of guys on here somehow, but I was just having trouble watching this thread go to he(double hockey sticks) in a handbasket.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:53 AM   #10
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Ok folks,

I am the son who made the 13/32" socket to fit the zenith gav for my father.

I was unaware of ford barn until today when my father mentioned it with regard to the socket, and decided to take a look. As usual I saw the normal forum responses which end up clouding the issue of the original question or post.

I sent an email to my father regarding some of the questions raised in the thread which is as follows.

"Noticed guys were asking how the socket was made, basically wondering about quality and fit and such. Here is what you can tell them.

We start with a blank impact socket which has been annealed (not been hardened). We drill the socket, then broach the ends. Obviously the 13/32 end is broached using a special 6pt. corner relief broach that I had made. The 6 point design is the real key to the perfect fit. The other end is broached for 3/8 drive. We then harden the socket to approximately 41-51 Rockwell c. Obviously we just engraved yours with the size, but should we make any more we will probably stamp the size on them prior to heat treat making them look more professional.

As far as fit, you can attest to that, but the actual clearance we designed for was .004" (or 4 thousandths of an inch) overall, which is why it fits so well and should not mark or round the original part in any way due to perfect contact on the flats. The minimal clearance works due to the fact that the original part was made about 1-1.5 thousandths under 13/32". The socket will also fit the one you sent me that was all mangled up since the flats were still there but the corners were missing.

As you know there is about 6 months or more of R&D and trial and error in this thing, but at least it's perfect, lol.

If there are any further technical questions you can give them my email if need be."

Now I do not spend to much time on these forums so any further questions should probably be addressed to my father who started this thread, since I may not even look at this again. I am sure he will let me know of any further interest or concerns.

I am assuming he will provide pictures of the finished prototype at some point in time next week, but if not for whatever reason, I will be happy to do so myself if need be.

One last thing. I appreciate all of you enthusiasts who keep the history of these older vehicles alive. At 50 years of age, I do appreciate these older cars, but will admit that my focus is more along the lines of building racing motorcycles for my sons at this point. Hopefully at some point in time I will be able to retire and own a model A of my own.

Sorry dad, probably irritated a bunch of guys on here somehow, but I was just having trouble watching this thread go to he(double hockey sticks) in a handbasket.
I'd buy one!!!
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This sounds like a quality tool and I'd also be interested in one.

Why not make a run large enough for the parts houses to sell them?
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I would be interested, too. Bill
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:40 AM   #13
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ive got that size in my old craftsman 1/4 "set. from a long time ago...60's remeber ,why ,what would it fit.....i was about 14 yrs old...glad i kept it
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after reading the post, i said to my self...theres one more guy supporting (our)model a ford hobby...cant have enough... p.s. ill buy one!!
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:48 AM   #15
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To answer your question Tom.

I have told my father what I think we can make them for either one off or in quantity.

I think he is trying to determine how much interest there is in order to determine what size run we could make, and in turn, once we know that we will know how much they would cost.

Obviously we can't make 100 and only sell 10, conversely, it wouldn't make sense to make 10, when there would be a market for 100.

I only made this socket to prove a point and provide my father with something that was unavailable for his birthday.

I had the tooling made in order to produce the socket, and I can make quite a few more with the same tooling. I personally, don't just want to make a bunch of these, only to be left with a bunch of these, lol.

Guess the real question would be. After everyone sees the pics, and understands the quality of the tool, how much would they actually, be worth? and can we make them in that price range?

With my research, I don't believe anyone out there has the ability or tooling to even make an honest to goodness 13/32" 6 point socket, or wrench for that matter. And as everyone would have to admit, a 12 point if available, will just round the corners and damage the original part.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I am sure if the interest is there, we can help all of those interested.
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There are quite few vendors of model A parts. If you were to wholesale them out and they only bought 5 from you you have 100 sold in a heartbeat.
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Count me in for two.
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Another one here. thanks
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A Snap On 11mm deep well 3/8" socket fits the gav perfectly
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I'm in for two.
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A Snap On 11mm deep well 3/8" socket fits the gav perfectly
My Snap-On 11mm deep socket is rather sloppy on GAV's. I wonder what the broach tolerances are on the sockets. Maybe you've got a very tight (small) one.
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:26 PM   #22
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I am keepinbg a list of those of you who are interested in these sockets.
With all respect to those of yoiu who use a 10 mm or an 11mm socket my experience has been that the 10mm is too small and the 11mm is too big. This socket that my son has made does not do any damage the housing. I will try to get some pics by wednesday of next week.
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To answer your question Tom.

I have told my father what I think we can make them for either one off or in quantity.

I think he is trying to determine how much interest there is in order to determine what size run we could make, and in turn, once we know that we will know how much they would cost.

Obviously we can't make 100 and only sell 10, conversely, it wouldn't make sense to make 10, when there would be a market for 100.

I only made this socket to prove a point and provide my father with something that was unavailable for his birthday.

I had the tooling made in order to produce the socket, and I can make quite a few more with the same tooling. I personally, don't just want to make a bunch of these, only to be left with a bunch of these, lol.

Guess the real question would be. After everyone sees the pics, and understands the quality of the tool, how much would they actually, be worth? and can we make them in that price range?

With my research, I don't believe anyone out there has the ability or tooling to even make an honest to goodness 13/32" 6 point socket, or wrench for that matter. And as everyone would have to admit, a 12 point if available, will just round the corners and damage the original part.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I am sure if the interest is there, we can help all of those interested.
I'd buy one....
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just about everything the suppliers have is a result of a mom-and-pop setup where a guy makes one thing. I am sure each of them would buy 10
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I would buy one as well, or two if the price comes in reasonably.
Thanks for your effort, it is something I needed just today. As someone else said, anyone providing help for this hobby should be helped and purchased from (If that is what is needed)
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I would like one too. Even thought I only have one Model A, I like using the correct tools.
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I would like one.
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I suspect that using an 11mm (.433") socket on the 13/32" (.40625") GAV is why so many are rounded off.
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There seems to be a market. I use a ground-down metric wrench, but would prefer the proper tool, so chalk up one more.
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When it became very obvious years ago that when rebuilding carburetors that in order to get the 13/32" adjustment needle housings off I would need a deep socket to do it. None to be found so I bought a Craftsman 10 mm socket and the proper size good file and carefully filed it down to a perfect fit which has worked for years and no damaged housings, it did not take to long to do this.
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I'm in as well, could use two of them.
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Update on were we stand with the sockets.

I am pleasantly surprised at the interest level, and it will definitely help with the cost.

Originally I acquired 2 blanks. I just made the second socket to prove the process. The second one turned out as well as the first and is a perfect fit on the good gav housing as well as the housing I was given with the corners rounded off.

On Tuesday my fathers car club will be critiquing the first prototype at there meeting. As long as they come back with great reviews and agree with our idea of a price point (which will obviously be one of a labor of love and not making money), we will set everything in motion. Hopefully they will post their opinions, and I am assuming one of the members will also be posting pictures at that point, or I will do so myself.

If the reviews are as I expect, I am planning to make a run of 50 parts and will order the blanks next week. It will take a week or two to fit the parts in around my normal shop production. We figure to keep the price as low as possible we will probably sell direct to all of you folks. We are planning to just use usps flat rate shipping since it's only 5 or 6 bucks, plus it's the same price if you want one or more. Once I have the parts ready we will contact everyone with a paypal link to purchase the items and ship them immediately.

As I said this is all contingent with respect to the reviews of the car club members on Tuesday, but I am sure they will vouch for the quality of this socket which is as good as or better than a top of the line socket from snap-on or anyone else for that matter.

Should anyone have any ideas or questions, please do not hesitate to post them here and I will answer them as soon as possible.

P.S. I obviously cannot keep the price reasonable using my shop labor to produce these parts, so I will be manufacturing them myself after hours when the equipment is available. Hence the reason I said this will be a labor of love, not one of making money.
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Being the tool junkie that I am, I would speak for one as well.
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Hoarsewhisperer,

In response to your post. You are correct, but unfortunately the .433 is exactly 11mm and 11mm sockets are manufactured at .441 across the flats. Far cry from .40625 in the machinist world.
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I just received a very good question from a member via my email. I will answer it here.

The question was does the socket have retention capability for the ball of a 3/8 ratchet.

The answer is yes.

What we do (like a professional impact socket) is drill a radial hole through the socket in the center of one of the 3/8 drive flats in order for the user to line up the ball on the ratchet or extension in one spot keeping all other flats fully intact for maximum surface contact with the ratchet or extension.

Thank you for the question, I am sure others were probably wondering the same thing.

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Definitely sounds like a quality tool that's useful. I'd like to get two.
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i will also buy and thanks for offering to do this...

one question are they lifetime guaranteed?
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I'll take one
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I will take two...
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If you break it, I can guarantee it wasn't on a gav housing.
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I to would be interested in one or two. Always like using the proper tools for the job.
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This is the second socket. It is not stamped or heat treat and tempered yet. Once it is heat treated it will be a black finish like a typical impact socket. Sorry for the poor quality of the pictures.



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I have a couple of the 13/32" open ended, but would be interested in obtaining the socket if possible.
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I have a couple of the 13/32" open ended, but would be interested in obtaining the socket if possible.
I just noticed you are from canada. No problem getting you a socket when they are done, would just have to adjust the shipping cost since you are outside the US
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I just noticed you are from canada. No problem getting you a socket when they are done, would just have to adjust the shipping cost since you are outside the US
Understood, and thanks!

Things were much simpler when I lived in the US.
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Update on were we stand with the sockets.


If the reviews are as I expect, I am planning to make a run of 50 parts and will order the blanks next week.
Should anyone have any ideas or questions, please do not hesitate to post them here and I will answer them as soon as possible.

P.S. I obviously cannot keep the price reasonable using my shop labor to produce these parts, so I will be manufacturing them myself after hours when the equipment is available. Hence the reason I said this will be a labor of love, not one of making money.
I think you already have about 50 "sold" right here. If the blank price goes down with a 100, you might want to consider it.

Also, there is no shame in making a few bucks for yourself on the deal.
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I think you already have about 50 "sold" right here. If the blank price goes down with a 100, you might want to consider it.
Due to the enthusiasm since this thread started, I have requested a price for 100 blanks. Unfortunately they were giving me a pretty good deal in the first place for 50, and the price for 100 was only .30 cents per piece cheaper. Big problem is, the manufacturer I am obtaining the blanks from does not like to give them up since they count on them for their runs, and selling me some in quantity screws up their production runs. The runs they make for normal sockets in this size range is in the thousands which is why none of the reputable manufacturers want to make this socket. They figure they can't sell a thousand plus, so they are not interested. When they make a run, there is a plus or minus 10 percent commitment, and selling me the blanks just brings them closer to their minus 10 percent which I can understand. Everything they do is in bulk like annealing, heat treating tempering, so on and so forth, and poundage for each of the processes really counts for their manufacturing cost as far as furnace and machine utilization.

If we look at the good side, at least I have the contact and can get blanks which makes this process even possible for all of the folks who would like one at a reasonable cost. There is only one size blank I know of that I can use to make this a perfect socket for this application.

I know this blank will be used probably for a long long time, so I am not worried about getting them for an extended period of time, but remember, this blank is being taken out of the middle of their production run. This all starts as a solid piece of steel in an automated process, and I am getting them to spit out perfectly good parts in the middle of the process prior to the end broaching and such. This requires an operator to basically instruct the cnc machine to only do part of the operation and spit out unfinished parts during the process for some period of time. This in turn causes an issue with predetermined tool wear and everything else in the process.

At this point due to the interest I think I am going to tool a bit differently, which will be more expensive right now, and obviously no immediate payback, but I, like you am thinking 100 is probably a real number over time as people find out about this socket. And the tooling I am considering will make it easier to do small batches down the road while keeping the cost to the end user at a consistent reasonable number.

I think alot of people would put a high price on these and sell to whoever, just to make some money. I however would like to make these so that everyone can afford to buy one from now to eternity, not just those with deep pockets.

As I stated previously in this thread, I only made this thing to help my father and give him something no one else had. I honestly did not believe it when he said people would be interested in this tool, since I figured there had to be something somewhere that people could get their hands on. Apparently I was wrong, and my goal now is basically to make this available to the masses who will appreciate them.

I honestly am not looking at this as a money making opportunity. As I told my father tonight, due to the interest, I am quite content doing this pretty much just for the bragging rights so to speak. Of course I would like to cover my cost at least, but the fact that I can provide people with something that no one else can or is willing to do, kinda makes me feel good.

Hopefully everyone understands this.

Just to add a bit about my background, I own a business that deals with large multinational corporations. Probably anything you have in your house that is on a roll (toilet paper, saran wrap, foil, and actually even your q-tip brand q-tips) has probably at some point been processed on the equipment I have designed manufactured and supplied. I also supply equipment and services to every tire manufacturer in the world with the exception of Bridgestone/Firestone.

So as far as the sockets, believe me, I can make money spending my time elsewhere, but I enjoyed this challenge presented by my father, and hopefully have found a way to provide everyone with this (apparently much sought after) unicorn so to speak.

Once the car club provides their review Tuesday or Wednesday on this socket (hopefully positive, lol), we will provide our pricing idea to everyone, and I am hoping everyone will be pleasantly surprised. Obviously not gonna be dirt cheap, but definitely in line with a top quality impact type socket in a comparable size range.

Not real sure why I wrote all this other than to assure you I am looking at every aspect of this venture to try and keep the cost of this tool as reasonable as possible.

I do appreciate the suggestion, and if you or anyone else has any other ideas, I really would love to hear them since I would love to make these as cheap as possible.

One other thing to mention here just so everyone knows. Every single thing with regard to these sockets is 100% USA. Blanks, tooling, and even equipment used to manufacture is all USA. It has already been mentioned subcontracting the production of these sockets to a company in China which would be really really cheap. I however will not even consider this option regardless of the savings. Just not gonna happen, and if someone suggests it again, they will not be purchasing one of these sockets from me.

Sorry for writing this rather lengthy dissertation, lol, but again I thank everyone for the interest in this project and look forward to moving forward in a positive manner.
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. . .One other thing to mention here just so everyone knows. Every single thing with regard to these sockets is 100% USA. Blanks, tooling, and even equipment used to manufacture is all USA. It has already been mentioned subcontracting the production of these sockets to a company in China which would be really really cheap. I however will not even consider this option regardless of the savings. Just not gonna happen, and if someone suggests it again, they will not be purchasing one of these sockets from me.
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Most Ford Barners are so sick of the cheapo does-not-fit chinese crappo that they have all gone back to the 'Made in USA' slogan. Myself included long ago.

A breath of fresh air here.

and I don't think it really matters at least not to me what it costs to have something this special
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You think so? It seems to me that most Ford Barners are in love with the cheapo does-not-fit chinese crappo that they can get from Harbor Freight. Seems that most prefer cheap crap over quality goods.

When the socket price is announced, we'll see how many buyers for the socket will be lost. Not because it will be too expensive, but because too many people here are too cheap.

Now this is a joke fellas, so don't get bent out of shape.

Forever4 just came up with a great marketing idea. Anybody that backs out after the price is announced, we will just post their info on here to let everyone know they are cheap, lol.

Now I would never ever do that so it is just a joke, however, it does bring up a good idea.

We have a count of how many sockets guys would like now, and I believe it is either right at, or over 50. I am figuring at this point I will probably just run 100. But with forever4's comment, we probably will contact all those who expressed interest once we release the price to be sure the interest is still there.

I think I probably have more faith in all these folks than you do forever4, but I am obviously a newbie to this whole thing. That being said I appreciate your comment and will verify the interest level once again after the price is announced. Of course something tells me alot of people are following this thread and once we put the price up most people will reaffirm their commitment. Who knows, there may even be a bunch of lurkers just waiting.

Guess we will see in the next couple of days. Hope everyone here is doing well.
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I'd like one also.
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Leaving now to go to the Sullivan Trail Model A Ford Club meeting. Will report how the members liked or disliked this socket later tonight or first thin in the morning. Should also be able to report the sale price. Bill Haag
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Ok Folks, as far as I understand, the car club members reviewed the socket, and according to what I have been told, they all liked/loved it.

Hopefully tomorrow they will be providing their unbiased reviews on the 13/32" socket and what they really thought for all of you to read for your own edification.

It appears we can account for over 50 pieces at this point, so my plan will be to manufacture 100 in the first run. Subsequently in order to do this in a reasonable time frame I will be purchasing some different tooling. Having accounted for all the cost, and again, doing this for a labor of love and not making money, I am counting on getting my cost back with this run of 100 once they all sell. The different tooling will then allow for smaller runs after the first 100 at the same cost to the end user, if demand is there for whatever reason.

Again, hopefully everyone understands what it actually takes to produce this top quality socket without cutting any corners, and hopefully the club members who have put their hands on this socket will confirm this for you on this thread.

So here we go. The pricing we have decided on for the socket is $24.00 US Dollars plus shipping. Flat rate shipping through usps is approximately $6.00. And apparently you can order more than one, and it will still only be $6.00 for the shipping.

I am not asking anyone to pay anything now. It will take approximately 3 weeks to complete the run of 100 due to my current shop load, and schedule, as well as acquiring the blanks and tooling. Once they are complete, we will notify everyone individually who has expressed interest, as well as post it on this thread.

In the mean time, I realize some may not want to pay this much, which is fine. But would all of you who expressed interest, please reaffirm your interest at this point via this thread, private message, or email. I am assuming most will still be interested, but I don't wish to purchase tooling and such, and then end up in the hole on this project. I am also planning to pass this information along to each individual who expressed interest via private message or email as well.

I am not planning on purchasing the blanks or tooling till the end of the week just to make sure the interest is still there at this point. And it will take about a week maybe a little more to get the blanks.

Once the first run of 100 is complete, we will notify everyone who previously expressed or has re-expressed interest with regard to how to purchase. At this point purchasing will probably be via credit card through paypal unless other arrangements are made on an as need basis.

Bill Haag, Jr.

P.S. Thank you all for your interest in this project, I feel honored to be able to help with this apparent need.
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I am not gonna mention the name of the one guy who just pm'd me, but it was funny.

His comment was "I am not gonna be the guy at the next car show that can't brag about having an actual socket to fit the GAV on this "explicative deleted" carb.

Didn't say wether he wanted one or not though, so pm me back and let me know, lol, I am assuming you want one, lol.

Thanks for the support, lol
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I just thought about posting that and it sounds like a sales pitch. I am sorry for posting that. But you know who you are and I will not reveal you since I found that really frickin funny since you didn't tell me wether you wanted one or not, lol. Sorry folks, probably should have kept that one to myself but I am still laughing since it sounded like some sort of peer pressure do it even though I don't want to situation, lol.

Sorry, can't stop thinking about forever4's comment, then this comment, I hope I live through this laughing fit to actually make these darn things, lol.

Once again I apologize, lol, and no, before anyone asks it wasn't forever4 that sent the pm.

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thats a very fair price for the socket and for those of us that work professionally with quality tools all know this.
i am in for more than 1
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I'm with Mitch. It's a fair price for a quality socket and I'm still in for one.
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I'm still in for one, but want to run this by our club and see if we can't get several on the same order.
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I was at Walmart today. They had 2 sets of sockets that contained a 13/32 deep well socket. one priced just under $10 and a larger set just under $20. They are import, so how well they will fit, I don't know. Might not be worth bringing home, but they are available.
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Try converting the pictures to a lower resolution. (size)
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I was at Walmart today. They had 2 sets of sockets that contained a 13/32 deep well socket. one priced just under $10 and a larger set just under $20. They are import, so how well they will fit, I don't know. Might not be worth bringing home, but they are available.
But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
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But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
That was my thought also Tom. Plus,,,,Walmart,?,,,,China,?
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That was my thought also Tom. Plus,,,,Walmart,?,,,,China,?
As I stated they might not be worth bringing home. I too would be interested in buying a quality USA made socket.
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But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
Tom, look at post #43.
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back when i started looking into this for my father, I bought a cheap set that said it had a 13/32 in it. Turned out it wasn't even actually in the set when I opened it, but listed it on the front packaging of the box.

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Tom was talking about the walmart set
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I am confirming that I still want 2.
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there is no way in blazes that a commercially mfg 6 pt 13/32 deep socket is actually being made. That is a zebra. There would be absolutely NO application for it in today's world. You would be better off trying to market a commercially made 7-pt deep 77/192 socket!!!!
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Hey Tbird, I'll bet you 500 dollars I could make that 7 point 77/192 socket if you really want one, lmao. Gonna need the 500 in advance though to buy the special tooling lol

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Oh, and tbird, just so you know, 77/192 actually works out to 10mm
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Old 02-12-2015, 10:32 AM   #90
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Y-Blockhead, good link. I think I saw some of those people there.
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I am still in for two of these.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:08 PM   #93
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1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?
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1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?
It would be the diameter tangent to the flats.

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Old 02-12-2015, 11:05 PM   #95
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Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:

For the guy that has everything in his tool box!
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Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:

For the guy that has everything in his tool box!
Somehow I knew someone was going to try and elaborate on this odd number sided bolt thing, lol.

I could bore everyone with the details of why odd number facets have been used on fasteners and spline shafts, and everything else, but it would be boring, lol.

Quite simply put though, lol. Everything round that rotates has a natural harmonic, when the natural harmonic matches some multiple of the revolutions in 360 degrees, you will experience a synchronous, or subsynchronous vibration. So naturally everyone has tried to design around this. Since a circle still always has 360 degrees, people have tried to design odd number fasteners used in line with the rotating component to offset synchronous vibration..........never mind, gonna stop here before I write a book. But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... ok gonna stop.
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Just food for thought though. Why are there 3 cylinder diesels and 5 cylinder chevrolet gasoline engines? The ultimate goal of overcoming natural harmonics. The thought is if you break up the 360 degrees unevenly, there will be no natural harmonic, but it doesn't work. I have got to stop. I am sorry I even mentioned any of this stuff on this thread. My apologies.
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Back to the point of this whole thing. At this point, we have confirmation of at least 50 sockets, so that helps immensely with this project.

I will be placing orders for the blanks and tooling tomorrow/Friday. So the project is a go. Just to say it again, it will probably take about 3 weeks or a bit more to fit this run of 100 sockets into my shop schedule. When I eventually sell the 100, it will cover the cost, which is a risk myself, my father, and apparently someone else is willing to take/absorb to see this through, since we all believe there is enough interest to support it eventually.

I will keep everyone up to date via this thread on a regular basis so you know where we stand with this project. All who have expressed/re-expressed interest will be notified, prior to the general public, or dealers, or anything else when the sockets are ready. In essence, if you have requested one or more, you will get them before any new interests are fulfilled.

I really do appreciate the support of everyone with this undertaking, and the kind words expressed by numerous people during pm's and emails and such. And I do feel privileged to be able to help with this need.

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... But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... .
Reminds me back when I worked at Chevron Refinery. When starting a centrifugal pump it was important to get it up to full speed so to pass through "Critical Speed" (the RPM that the natural harmonics occurred) quickly.
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Old 02-13-2015, 01:45 AM   #100
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You are correct blockhead. Just like when they roll out a steam turbine generator in a power plant and such, slow till you get lube oil and such for 8-24 hours, when up to temp and pressure, then 3600 rpm to get past the criticals. Little more complex and such, but same kinda thing.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:41 AM   #101
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Ok Folks, as far as I understand, the car club members reviewed the socket, and according to what I have been told, they all liked/loved it.

Hopefully tomorrow they will be providing their unbiased reviews on the 13/32" socket and what they really thought for all of you to read for your own edification.

It appears we can account for over 50 pieces at this point, so my plan will be to manufacture 100 in the first run. Subsequently in order to do this in a reasonable time frame I will be purchasing some different tooling. Having accounted for all the cost, and again, doing this for a labor of love and not making money, I am counting on getting my cost back with this run of 100 once they all sell. The different tooling will then allow for smaller runs after the first 100 at the same cost to the end user, if demand is there for whatever reason.

Again, hopefully everyone understands what it actually takes to produce this top quality socket without cutting any corners, and hopefully the club members who have put their hands on this socket will confirm this for you on this thread.

So here we go. The pricing we have decided on for the socket is $24.00 US Dollars plus shipping. Flat rate shipping through usps is approximately $6.00. And apparently you can order more than one, and it will still only be $6.00 for the shipping.

I am not asking anyone to pay anything now. It will take approximately 3 weeks to complete the run of 100 due to my current shop load, and schedule, as well as acquiring the blanks and tooling. Once they are complete, we will notify everyone individually who has expressed interest, as well as post it on this thread.

In the mean time, I realize some may not want to pay this much, which is fine. But would all of you who expressed interest, please reaffirm your interest at this point via this thread, private message, or email. I am assuming most will still be interested, but I don't wish to purchase tooling and such, and then end up in the hole on this project. I am also planning to pass this information along to each individual who expressed interest via private message or email as well.

I am not planning on purchasing the blanks or tooling till the end of the week just to make sure the interest is still there at this point. And it will take about a week maybe a little more to get the blanks.

Once the first run of 100 is complete, we will notify everyone who previously expressed or has re-expressed interest with regard to how to purchase. At this point purchasing will probably be via credit card through paypal unless other arrangements are made on an as need basis.

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P.S. Thank you all for your interest in this project, I feel honored to be able to help with this apparent need.
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:25 AM   #102
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Nice work. I'll also take 2.

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1332,
I for one enjoy soaking up as much technical info as possible. So feel free to expound on vibration, harmonics, etc, anything engine related. You obviously have good training and a good background in this stuff. Keep it coming!

For example, why are harmonic balancers not used on 4-cyl engines, even now, but always on 6-cyl and above. Seems the 4-bangers could benefit....
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I will try and explain the harmonic balancer issue in a pm to you later this evening tbird. They really are not what everyone thinks they are.
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Old 02-13-2015, 06:11 PM   #106
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Here are some pics of the 1st prototype socket from one of the car club members who critiqued it earlier this week. I believe he is planning to add his comments on it's performance at some point on here.

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Old 02-13-2015, 06:31 PM   #107
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Hi Gang, I took the photos above that Haag1332 has posted. The socket is well made, fits nice and tight to the brass nut of the GAV, and I've ordered one. I have 3 A's, owned one since 1978ish, was a MAFCA Board member, am President of my local A Club, and like a good beer and a laugh but not when I strip a nut or bolt. Get this item while it's hot as long as Bill has the time and interest. Jim Morris
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Old 02-13-2015, 06:43 PM   #108
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Put me down for one. Thanks much Tom
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I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

Thank you to all of you who knew the pricing and have reafirrmed your interest. I believe I have notified all of you who reafirrmed via pm or email.

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I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

Thank you to all of you who knew the pricing and have reafirrmed your interest. I believe I have notified all of you who reafirrmed via pm or email.

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confirming that I am still in for one. no email or pm received yet.
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Sorry mitch, just sent you the pm again, but had you toward the top of the list, actually 5th, lol.
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Had u on the list as well Bud, just resent you a pm
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thanks Bill i just got it

cant wait to buy 4 of them
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Got it! Thanks, Bill.
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No PM here either. I want 3 of them.
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Just resent pm carl, and updated your quantity. Sorry for the confusion, but we had you as 3rd on the list for 2. Again, did update quantity.

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Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

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Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

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Just put you on the list for 2 Fred, will pm you as well.

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Hello Bill

Glad that you are making this much needed socket. It is almost impossible to get the housings off with out one. I stated much earlier that I made one years ago and have been rebuilding carburetors for many years. I wish I could have bought one of yours years ago. Put me down for one. Thanks.

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I did send you a pm carb guy, so you are on the list.

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Many thanks to you folks for your interest in this socket. The list seems to keep growing and my son is working on getting things in line to start making these sockets in the next 2 weeks. Thanks again. Bill Haag Sr.
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Many thanks to you folks for your interest in this socket. The list seems to keep growing and my son is working on getting things in line to start making these sockets in the next 2 weeks. Thanks again. Bill Haag Sr.
NO thankyou Bill and your son for doing this.
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Thank you DBF, sent you a pm to confirm.

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I have had a number of people who are following this thread, contact me outside this thread. I believe I have confirmed with everyone. As long as you have received a pm or email from me confirming you are on the list, you will receive the sockets you have requested as soon as they are ready. If for some reason you have not received a confirmation from me, please let me know.

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Please count me in for one of the Special Sockets.
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Bill, I have not received a conformation for one special socket.
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Smog tech, I did send you a confirmation via private message. If you did not receive it there for some reason, consider this your confirmation for 1 socket as soon as they are complete.

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Bill - I'd like to order 3; will send you a pm shortly.
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Ok folks, minor update but I did say I would keep everyone updated throughout this process.

I did receive the specialized tooling for this project today. Not the blanks, just the tooling.

I have spent the last 3 hours setting up an open machine for doing the broach work/making the 6 point hex part of this project. I will have to take this setup down until I receive the blanks and actually do the work, but it looks as though tooling wise we are good to go.

The blanks have been ordered, just not sure yet when I will receive them. But as soon as we have them we will get underway with annealing and such so we can start making the sockets.

Thank you all once again for your interest, and I feel honored to be part of this.

Obviously to some of you folks this is probably irrelevant to some degree, but we are moving forward, and I for one am anxious to get these things done and in everyones hands who expressed interest.

Hope you all are doing well, and I will continue to update, even though minor, as this project proceeds.

One other thing I would like to mention. Since I have been on this site I have randomly checked out other threads/discussions. I would like to thank each and every one of you for not turning this thread into some sort of crazy discussion other than what it originally started out as.........a socket. Not a bunch of other crap......well of course other than the walmart socket set comment.

Anyway, thank you all, we will see this through within the next few weeks.

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I would like one of the sockets....thanks!
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Bill , Include me in your list for one also , and Thank You for all your time and work involved .
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I still keep getting pm's regarding price and such for this socket from people just reading this thread. If you are new to this thread and have any questions regarding price and purchasing or what have you, please read back to post #65 where I posted the pricing and rough details regarding how we are going to go about this.

For all you folks already on the list, I have been amazed how much interest there is. What we thought was going to be maybe 20-25 sockets, as you can imagine if you have followed this post, has been blown out of the water. Needless to say we are going to make a rather substantial run at this point figuring there will probably be residual interest once word continues to spread.

I did check back into making these in quantity by a couple of reputable US manufacturers, however the minimum quantity would be 5000/10,000 pieces. Now there has been an unbelievable interest in these at this point, but no where close to supporting a run of 5000.

We are going to run 150, and more after that if interest warrants doing so. This will still barely pay for all the tooling and such, but as I said before, this is a labor of love and bragging rights more so than making money at this point.

Hope everyone is doing well, and again, thank you for your interest in this project.

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Bill, I for one appreciate what you are doing for the rest of us with this socket.
I would also like to say, and I hope others might agree... you should not lose money on this! Doing it "as a labor of love and bragging rights" is great, but please cover your costs.
I would pay a few bucks more to help...who knows what you might come up with next that would help our hobby?
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:49 AM   #142
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I appreciate your comments jax. I built in a few different things when announcing the price based on what the interest level appeared to be at the time. Believe me, if I didn't think I could recover my cost at least I would have already changed some things regarding pricing. The added level of interest has allowed me to purchase better/different tooling which I should still be able to recoup the cost on, and hopefully cut down my time to make 2 to 3 times or more the number of sockets we originally figured on. So basically, covering cost, but still a "labor" of love, lol.

In short, I think I will be fine on cost, and possibly even make a buck or 2 on any subsequent runs.

I will know for sure after I get the blanks and start running these things in the next week or so, lol.

And of course if there is any other need down the road that I may be able to help with, I am sure my father will sucker me in somehow, lol.

Hope everyone following this thread is doing well. I will keep you updated.

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Old 02-28-2015, 01:06 AM   #143
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One other thing to add to this. Due to a certain legal agreement the most time consuming part of this will probably be that I am going to have to hand stamp each socket. Since I have no automated way of doing this, no two sockets will be the same. It will probably be myself and my 2 sons doing this, so you will all no doubt end up with individualized sockets, lol.

If by chance someone out there has an actual high dollar rotary steel stamping machine which will do this process for minimal cost, please let me know since I may be interested, but the personalized thing does have kind of a nostalgic ring to it which I think fits well with this project.

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Things are moving slowly, but they are moving. The number of requests for sockets is very close to the first run limit. My son is concerned that not every socket will be perfect, so he may have to halt adding to the list until the first run is made. Hope all you followers of this thread are well.
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:20 PM   #145
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Hi All,

Minor update on the sockets.

Obviously the biggest part of this project is broaching the 13/32 hex end of the sockets. Using the broach I had made, I was able to broach 65 of the sockets before the broach wear tolerance was such that the finish clearance for the socket was not acceptable.

I have two new broaches on the way, but will not have them until Monday of next week. Once I receive the broaches I can finish the remaining blanks and get ready for the next part of the process.

The 13/32 broaching process has gone as well as expected even though I had hoped the tooling would last more than 65 pieces.

In any event, once the 13/32 broaching is complete we will move on to the inside bore of the sockets for clearance on the gav housing tube, then some finish turning on the outside followed by stamping the identification on the barrels of the sockets.

I know everyone is probably anxious to get these things in hand, but it will be a few weeks yet, due to scheduling and such before I can have these things complete and ready to ship.

Thank you all for your interest, and hopefully patience at this point. The project is moving, but possibly not quite as quick as everyone including myself would like.

Hope everyone is doing well, and as always, please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have regarding this project.

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I somehow missed this thread until now and would like very much to be added to the list for two sockets from the first, or second run if necessary.
Thanks for making this happen!
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Would it be possible to put me on the list as well?

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Patiently waiting for a neat new tool!
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Patiently waiting for a neat new tool!
Thank you for your patience Ray. I guarantee the quality of this tool will be well worth it.

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Mike: I know the feeling. We all have been waiting and hoping for that big bite. I have taken the gav housing out of three carbs since I got the first socket and could not be happier. I am looking for more carburetors just to use this tool. My wife don't think I need any more cause she thinks 14 sidebowl carbs and 7 other regular carbs is enough. She just don't understand. Hang in there and start reeling in, we are coming down the short rows now. I would like to take this time to publicaly thank my son for taking on this project. THANKS KID, Love Dad
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Maybe Mike just decided to go relax and do some fishing while he is waiting on the socket.

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Old 03-25-2015, 12:29 AM   #153
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Another minor update.

While waiting for the new broaches, I bored all of the sockets to receive the gav housing stem over the weekend including the ones that have not been broached yet. The plan was to do the broach work, then bore, but I decided to try and get ahead of the game any way possible.

I received the new broaches Monday and tonight was able to randomly broach a few of the unbroached sockets which I had bored over the weekend. Fortunately it looks as though they will match up just fine.

My schedule is kind of hectic right now due to my two sons motorcycle racing season starting up as well as some courses I am taking, so I am not sure when I will get to broach the remaining 85 sockets for the first run, but hopefully still this week at some point.

Once the broaching is done I still have to do the outside finish, as well as stamping which will take quite a bit of time, then finish with heat treat.

Long story short, things are moving forward.

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I'll be happy to test any you already have made.
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Well Mike,

I have some broached, and such, but they still need stamped and heat treated. I will make sure you get what you have ordered asap once they are completed, lol.

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I have some broached, and such, but they still need stamped and heat treated. I will make sure you get what you have ordered asap once they are completed, lol.

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Don't blame you one bit mike, lol. Might just have to make you your own personalized socket, lol.

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seems to me that these used to be available on special order from Sears, that's where dad got his. Maybe they aren't anymore?...
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seems to me that these used to be available on special order from Sears, that's where dad got his. Maybe they aren't anymore?...
oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.
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oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.
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I'm in for one. PM or email me when they are done. No hurry as my primary interest is supporting the hobby.
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Personalized sockets? Wow, that would be cool..... a socket with my name stamped in it before it is heat treated and plated. Not asking for this HAAG, just blue skying it.
Looking forward to the first release of these, signaling the start of what has been beautiful to watch grow and come to fruition. Advancing the hobby and filling a need.
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Personalized sockets? Wow, that would be cool..... a socket with my name stamped in it before it is heat treated ...
I was thinking the same thing!
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Jax,

Need to clarify something. These sockets are heat treated and tempered. NOT PLATED. They will come dark brown or black from heat treating with no surface finish as shown in the pictures earlier in the thread.

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Not plated is fine with me. Most of my "specialty" sockets are not plated, just black.

We are behind you 100% Bill!
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Bill, i understand they will not be plated..again blue skying. I did not expect them to be other than black or whatever color they turn out to be. I am just looking forward to when they are available and you are making some money ;-)
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I'm in for one. PM or email me when they are done. No hurry as my primary interest is supporting the hobby.
That's great.............please mail your check to the TW restoration project.
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I already gave (at the office)
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Heat treated is fine with me

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you guys who are thinking about personalizing will be able to stamp them yourselves after you get them...................of course if you wish to pay a premium to have me personalize them, lol, make me a generous offer, lol.

Hope all you folks are doing well.

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oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.




I do understand...heard things about Sears but not really the details. Just trying to be helpful.
I do agree about helping those specializing in the hobby...no offense taken.
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Another minor update on the sockets.

Work schedule has been very busy, as well as motorcycle racing season for my two sons has started. Anyone familiar with flat track motorcycle racing will know how much time it takes to keep 4 hi performance bikes running for every weekend. Good thing is we do not have a race for 2 weeks, so I will have plenty of time to re-focus on these sockets.

In any event I almost have all of the sockets broached. I should be able to finish the rest, and start the stamping process this week. Once the stamping is done, they will get heat treat and temper which is relatively a quick process, then they will be ready to go.

I am trying to set up a web page through my business site in order to simplify the ordering process to able to use paypal or credit card. I understand some people want to pay by check which is fine, and I will give the details on how to do that when we send the notices that the parts are ready to ship.

Hope everyone is doing well.

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getting closer,

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Obviously time for an update.

This project has proven to be a bit more time and tooling consuming than originally thought.

We decided to run 150 pieces minimum for the first run. I have all but the last 20 or so broached. Due to work, racing season, family and other reasons, I have not made the progress I thought I would make.

At this point I am considering finishing the broaching, then hardening, quench and temper, and not doing the stamping which will no doubt take considerable time.

If I skip the stamping I should be able to have the sockets done in the next few weeks.

Hopefully everyone is ok with this, and I assure you the functionality of the finished product will be above expectations.

Should you have any questions please post to this thread, or pm/email me directly.

Hope all is well.

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Obviously time for an update.

This project has proven to be a bit more time and tooling consuming than originally thought.

We decided to run 150 pieces minimum for the first run. I have all but the last 20 or so broached. Due to work, racing season, family and other reasons, I have not made the progress I thought I would make.

At this point I am considering finishing the broaching, then hardening, quench and temper, and not doing the stamping which will no doubt take considerable time.

If I skip the stamping I should be able to have the sockets done in the next few weeks.

Hopefully everyone is ok with this, and I assure you the functionality of the finished product will be above expectations.

Should you have any questions please post to this thread, or pm/email me directly.

Hope all is well.

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I'd be overjoyed with socket stamped or not. As a matter of fact if it is un-stamped it would still standout as special since all the others in the tool box are stamped.
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Thank you for your support Mike. I might just have to send you your own special socket, lol. Can you shorten your name, lol?
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Doesn't worry me Bill.

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Thank you Haag for your updates! Would be nice to have it stamped but understand time, family and work commitments. I would prefer stamped but would be happy either way. Thanks again for your time on this project. Jim
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Thanks for the update. Life is to short not to enjoy along the way. Still patiently waiting.
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Thanks for the update Bill. All is good...
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I would prefer to have it stamped, even if it takes extra time/cost. But will be happy with whatever. All good things take time.
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Bill, thanks for the update. Not stamped is OK with me too as it will go in a particular place in the tool box, so no problem.
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Thanks for all the support guys, but it obviously sounds like stamped is the preference.

I will make this happen.

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Update,

All of the sockets are now broached(most critical part). I am in the process of drilling the inside for clearance on the gav housing tube as well as turning and stamping the end of the barrel.

Hopefully things will proceed without any hitches!!

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All of the sockets are now broached(most critical part). I am in the process of drilling the inside for clearance on the gav housing tube as well as turning and stamping the end of the barrel.

Hopefully things will proceed without any hitches!!

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Great news!!
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Thanks for the update. I'm sure all will be very pleased!!
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Ok Guys,

All of the sockets have been turned and bored for the gav housing. Obviously as stated last update they are all broached for the 13/32 fit.

We are now in the process of stamping them which is very time consuming as you can probably imagine since we don't have a fancy fixture to just crank them out.

The good part is we have the next 5 weeks off from motorcycle flat track racing, so my youngest son and I should be able to make a lot of progress with the stamping and last step oil quench and temper.

This process has proven to be very time consuming. Well beyond what I originally thought. And I doubt I will make another run of these for that reason.

In any event I am hoping we can finish these things up and start shipping within the next 5 weeks.

Hope all is well with everyone, and I will continue to update over the next couple of weeks.

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I'm still with ya Bill... I appreciate all your work. Hope I'm still on your list.
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Everyone is still on the list. And only those who are on the list will receive the sockets in the quantity they expressed interest in. I will see to it that everyone gets what they have requested throughout this entire painstaking venture, lol.

I have a complete list of everyone committed for the sockets. You have all been notified via pm or email that you have been placed on the list, so do not worry, you will in fact receive a socket.

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Old 06-22-2015, 03:07 AM   #195
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I was just teasing Bill. I know they will be done when they are done.
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KOOL, still patiently waiting.
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As we all are. Thanks Bill!
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Thanks Bill. All the good things in life are worth waiting for.
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Hi guys,

Still working on these things every chance we get. Guess I underestimated how much time doing 150 of these things would actually take with everything that is involved.

We do have some completed and are currently polishing and stamping the rest in order to do the final heat treat and temper.

We have found we will need to rebroach a number of the sockets for proper fit due to minor inconsistencies with the reproduction gav housings.

In any event, we are still working diligently on this project, so please bear with me.

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Still working on these things every chance we get. Guess I underestimated how much time doing 150 of these things would actually take with everything that is involved.

We do have some completed and are currently polishing and stamping the rest in order to do the final heat treat and temper.

We have found we will need to rebroach a number of the sockets for proper fit due to minor inconsistencies with the reproduction gav housings.

In any event, we are still working diligently on this project, so please bear with me.

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Bill. I may have missed something, but wondered how these are coming along? Just curious as I have not see n anything for a couple of months.
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I'll take 2.
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Sorry guys,

I've been working on these just way more tedious than I thought. Coupled with a minor stay in the hospital last month and some cracked ribs last Sunday, lol, I am slowly but surely getting them done.

Actually I did rebroach them all and such. Just working on the stamping at this point. I am gonna try and make fixture right quick to speed this process up, as well as put a stop to the smashed fingers and numb tingling sensations, lol.

Once they are stamped I can rip through the heat treat and temper process, then ship.

Shouldn't be long now.

I know there are some of you who are new to this and have expressed interest. I will message you on here and confirm with you wether or not I can add you to the list within the next couple of days.

Hope everyone is doing well, and I sincerely appreciate the patience you have all shown with regard to this process.

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Bill

Good Heavens - there is no need to apologize. You are doing us a favor.

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PS sorry to hear about the cracked ribs - was a motorcycle involved? I've had a few bounces, but haven't ridden a dirt bike in years. Bill
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Motorcycle was not involved although thats what I should tell everyone since it sounds more manly. I could say I crashed one of my sons race bikes on a test ride or something, lol. Unfortunately it was the side of the bathtub when I slipped and fell. My wife keeps teasing me about being one step away from being sent to a geriatric ward, lol. Getting better, don't need quite as many pain killers to breath for the last couple of days, lol.
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Old 10-05-2015, 10:18 PM   #207
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A little late to the party, but one for me as well. Maybe others in our Model A club will be interested to help with shipping cost(s). If you know anyone selling at/in Tulare (Ca) early next year, that's a great venue for Model A stuff.
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When do you estimate these will be ready?
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As aways, patiently waiting.
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:40 PM   #210
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Hope you recover well! Put me in for ONE too please? And Thanx for the hard work. Chuck
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I am interested in 1 as well. I tried to read all the posts. Was a final cost ever mentioned (with or w/o shipping)? Thanks, Smitty
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PS sorry to hear about the cracked ribs - was a motorcycle involved? I've had a few bounces, but haven't ridden a dirt bike in years. Bill
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I am also late to the party, but would be happy to take 3 of the sockets please, if possible.
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With regard to the stamping, it's kind of a must do, as well as most members said they wanted them stamped. Guess it's kinda the one off personalized thing that most appreciate.

As I said, I will see where we stand for our first run and let the new interested folks know if I can fill there orders when the sockets are complete within the next day or so.

Without my list, I know we were over 120, and this run is only 150 minus ones I screw up. I will go over the list, and see what new orders we can accept for the first run in the order of expressed interest.

All of you who already received confirmation from me are guaranteed to get your sockets so don't worry, the original orders will be filled first.

Again, I will get to the newcomers within the next day or so to confirm or deny your order regarding this batch of sockets.

With regard to the question about final pricing and shipping or what have you. I believe the post with the pricing info was post #65. If this is incorrect could someone please correct me since I do not have time to look back through this evening

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Lol,

I won't mention the member, but thank you for letting me know within seconds of my post that the pricing was actually post #64, although I could have sworn it was #65.

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Bill, I am with Mike and Bill . No need to apologize, you have done plenty already!
I guess in started this again asking for an update, sorry. Still patiently waiting, and it sounds like things are moving along. Take care of yourself....... We can wait.
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I would like one please.

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I would like one also.
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Put me down for one. Hope the ribs are feeling better. I had a broken rib once due to a non-at fault motorcycle accident. Makes sneezing a real B*TCH! Get well.
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haag1332- Please put me on the list for a socket. Thank you for all your hard work. Hope you are feeling better! Don in Indiana.
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Could you also add me to the list, if there is still room?

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Well Guys here we go.

Bill Haag senior was here to witness the finishing stages of the first 10 sockets in this first run on Saturday evening to prove the final production process of these sockets.

This has been one heck of a project with a lot of learning curves, but I have enjoyed every minute of it...............well for the most part, lol. It has been quite an undertaking making such a precision tool only to think back and realize it wasn't necessarily such a precision carb we are making this tool for, lol.

We started around 10pm and ran into a few issues, but did manage to finish the first 10 around 2am. This proved the process for the remaining 140 sockets in the first run.

Seems I will have to add a few more steps to the finishing of the sockets, but I am confident we have everything figured out and are ready to start shipping these somewhat slowly but surely.

Since this project started with my Father and his New York Car club, 8 of the first sockets were sent with him on Sunday to fill the orders for him and his club members. I would assume he and the members of his club will post their reviews of the sockets to this thread and let you all know what they think. I am pretty sure he will also express his discontent with me keeping him up so late demonstrating the hardening, decarb, polishing, and packaging process to finish these sockets for shipment.

I have everyone who expressed interest listed in order with the number of sockets they requested.

I will be setting up a paypal account and notifying you individually with regard to how to pay and begin shipping the sockets very shortly. Those of you who requested to pay by check, don't worry, I have that noted and will contact you with details how to do that as well.

Again, I have you all listed in order of interest and confirmation of such, and you will be contacted in that order, so don't worry, you will get your socket/s as they are finished.

I will actually be notifying everyone either through a pm on here or contact you through your email address listed on here.

For those of you who have expressed interest but have not yet been contacted by me and told you were "on the list", I will be in touch with you.

I know where I left off on here as well as the pm's I have been sent. I will be in contact with you as to wether or not I can fill your order on this first run, or if you will have to wait for a second run of these sockets.

Once again, if you were contacted by me and confirmed to be on the list, relax, you will get your socket/s lol. The new comers will be contacted in the next number of days.

At this point I have a lot of time capital, blood, sweat, and tears invested in this first run of sockets, but I have also made a lot of fixtures and such in order to make this process easier. I am pretty sure I will make another run of these sockets since there is quite an interest level, so if you newcomers don't make the first run, we will be able to take care of you on the second run. Again, I know where I left off with regard to new interest on this forum as well as pm's I have received. If you are new, I will be in touch with you at some point soon.

Hopefully everyone is well,

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Michael,

Thank you for your interest. I have not determined exactly how many will be left in the first run, and will let you and the others who have expressed interest know in the next number of days wether or not you can be added to the first run.

I have to fill the orders for the first interested parties then I will let all of the new interested parties where we stand.

Please understand most of these guys have been waiting for almost a year for me to perfect this process and bring this first batch of sockets to completion.

On the bright side, as I said, at this point I am planning to make a second run of these sockets.

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That is great news!!

I'm still in for mine (02-06-2015, 12:53 AM).
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Still patiently waiting.
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i think i ordered 3 but who remembers

thanks for the periodic updates
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Yes folks it was a real pleasent time to be in the shop working with my son putting the finishing touches on the first 10 sockets. I sure was tired but was really worth it. We got up Sunday morning and started the 200 mile trip home to New York. On Sunday night when I went to bed I put the sockets under my pillow and was ready for a good nights sleep. Then my wife came to bed and said what would I do if the "Socket Fairy" came during the night and took the sockets and left me some money. So I got up and locked the sockets in the safe. I sure hope the guys in my club and all of you Barners are as happy with your socket as I am with mine.

I would like to take this time to say THANK YOU son for taking on this project. Love, Dad
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Thanks for the update. Looking forward to the socket when ready.

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i think i ordered 3 but who remembers

thanks for the periodic updates
I know the feeling, I think I too requested several for other club members to save on shipping but I'm ready for any that come my way.
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Bill,
Understood and all sounds fine. I have never minded waiting my turn in line! Besides quality products and good work take time.

Thank you for your kind response. I am looking forward to hearing from you at your convenience.

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Mike V and Mitch, don't worry I know how many you originally requested, lol. I will let you know when I email you.

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Please try and keep the socket thread here. Makes it tuff to keep track of interested individuals when the thread gets split up

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you can do so if you like mitch, lol, I have no clue how to do any of that lol. Sorry
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you can do so if you like mitch, lol, I have no clue how to do any of that lol. Sorry
Okay here is a link to a related thread about the custom made GAV sockets::::
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I should add. I know a number of newcomers have expressed interest in the socket and would like to order one. I have not responded to some of you yet, but I know where I left off, and I will catch up to you folks once I know exactly where we stand on the first run. I need to complete the first run in order to determine how many are scrapped from the process then go from there to see how many more new orders can be filled on the first run, then determine who will have to be taken care of on a second run. Currently I have only scrapped 2 pieces, but there is still potential for more scrap in the all be it minor finishing stages at this point.

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Thank you mitch!!
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I was at Walmart today. They had 2 sets of sockets that contained a 13/32 deep well socket. one priced just under $10 and a larger set just under $20. They are import, so how well they will fit, I don't know. Might not be worth bringing home, but they are available.
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I'll take one also.
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I also would like one. Please put me on the list.

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I should add. I know a number of newcomers have expressed interest in the socket and would like to order one. I have not responded to some of you yet, but I know where I left off, and I will catch up to you folks once I know exactly where we stand on the first run. I need to complete the first run in order to determine how many are scrapped from the process then go from there to see how many more new orders can be filled on the first run, then determine who will have to be taken care of on a second run. Currently I have only scrapped 2 pieces, but there is still potential for more scrap in the all be it minor finishing stages at this point.

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Hay Bill, if the scrapping of the socket is due to only "be it minor finishing" and does not effect the function I'll take mine from those allowing more people to get them this time at the same already agreed upon price for "perfect".
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I appreciate the thought mike. I am not scrapping for minor blemishes. There are numerous things that can go wrong in the process which I think we have perfected at this point. In one case a socket got double broached on the 13/32 end and will not fit the gav properly. In another case the square drive end went under tolerance when hardening and does not fit a standard 3/8 drive ratchet or extension properly. Believe me, if they were acceptable I would sell it, but I am not about to let a poor fitting socket out of here.

One reason this has taken so long is due to the fact that I figured we may make a second run. This entire first batch has been manufactured several different ways in order to figure out the best and fastest method to do these from here out. And it has been quite trying. Only good part is that all of the fixtures and tooling have been made. From here on out I will only need blanks and broaches to make the product. Bad part is the broaches are somewhat costly and are only good for so many sockets.

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Not to mention I think Bill Sr has now provided me with about 3 gav's and I have purchased 2 myself to test fit throughout the process and I am going to have to buy a few more new ones for the second run lol. And I have found that not all of them are quite the same which set me back a bit ago having to have new slightly larger broaches made in order for the sockets to accommodate some slightly larger gav's I have run across. The difference is only about 2 thousands of an inch but is just enough to cause fit problems if you happen to get one of the slightly larger gav's.

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FYI

I have noticed that SOME repro GAVs and some old ones on cores are in fact 7/16ths so I have two wrenches on the bench .... 13/32nds and 7/16ths !!
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If I understand correctly, and Bill Sr or other members will have to confirm this, the original gav was 13/32 and a number of repops were made 7/16 due to the lack of 13/32 wrenches or some such thing or else the 7/16 was a different year or something........

I am sure someone can explain this but as far as I know the 13/32 is the oem size for whatever years are in question and match original specifications.

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Also, the original wrench used for the housings I believe was A 12 point which apparently tends to strip the flats on a stuck gav and will not remove them. The 6 point sockets I have made have removed every housing they have been put up against so far......even the stripped and messed up ones. I am sure my father and the members of the new york club will attest to this if they feel so inclined.

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Forever4,

I am only making the socket just barely fit the repros within a thousandth of an inch just for that purpose. The originals measure .4055-.407 across the flats, the repros are .4095 at worst so the socket will fit the original nicely and just barely fit the repros. And the biggest benefit on the socket is that the id of the socket is just barely sized to fit over the barrel of the repro and original as well in order to keep the socket straight when removing or installing.

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Forever4,

Your on the list for one of these sockets. Why am I even making you one if you have this covered lol, just kidding.

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If it is not too late I would like to have one also
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Seems to me that you should get the venders (Brattons, Snyders, etc.) to carry your socket. That way you would get bigger, more consistent orders, and anyone who needs one can get one. Win - Win!
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Seems to me that you should get the venders (Brattons, Snyders, etc.) to carry your socket. That way you would get bigger, more consistent orders, and anyone who needs one can get one. Win - Win!
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I am considering partnering with a supplier at some point to distribute the sockets for me. One problem is that the price will probably go up to the end user if I do so since it takes a fair amount of money to produce the socket to begin with. The original thought my wife and I had was to keep the income from the sale of the sockets outside of my business i.e. not taxed and such, and once my expenses have been recouped, any money above expenses I would make at that point would be donated to the relay for life or similar charity. If I sell to a distributor I would more than likely be unable to keep this outside my business which in turn would lower the amount we could then donate.

Not saying I won't do so, but still putting some thought into how to do this in everyone's best interest.Admittedly I am not set up to deal with the general consumer which is why I was planning to have payment made through paypal or check, but a number of people do not have paypal accounts which somewhat makes things a little difficult. Still working out the finer details of the payment aspect at this point.

Most important thing at this point guys is to get through this first run so the entire process is well defined, then go from there for further orders. Just trying not to put the rumble seat in the front of the car facing backwards at this point.

If anyone does have any thoughts on this entire process please feel free to pm me since I will take any advise or thoughts to ponder as we move forward.

Also, I have kept track of all new interest beyond those I have confirmed with, but people keep posting interest in the threads and then some send me pm's. Since there are now a couple of different threads floating around at this point, I would like to ask that any of you members who have been following this who happen to see an interest posted to a thread from someone, please respond to them and have them pm me. I am concerned that I may in fact miss someone who expresses interest in a thread even though I have been able to keep track of them so far.

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You guys are doing fine and we appreciate what you are doing.
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Any idea on a shipping date for the GAV wrenches ?
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They are sockets
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When they are done?
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When they are done?
That's what I think.
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Sounded very close a couple of months ago, maybe Bill ran into a problem.
Guess this is like Christmas, it's coming.
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Any progress on the Zenith carburetor 13/32 deep well socket ???

It has been over one year now....
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I'm fine to wait 5 -10 years. What's the rush

I am sure when they are done we will all know'

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Hi Fellow Barners: Talked to my son Bill Jr. Haag1332 over the weekend. He has sent out several completed sockets and has also e-mailed and sent a PM to some others on the top of the list. So check your e-mail or PM's . Not all 150 are finished but I think he said about 15 were ready to ship when he gets a response from those already contacted. Thanks all for your patience and when you have your socket in hand let Bill know what you think of it. Thanks, Bill Haag Sr. AKA fingers
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Great to hear!! Can hardly wait until my name comes up for shipment.
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Still patiently waiting.
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Would someone that receives the long awaited socket, post a few picture of it.
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Will someone please update status of this project?
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Fingers just did
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Dog here,
With all this loooong wait, I wunder how many have made their own wrench
I cain't as I got NO THUMBS
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[QUOTE=BILL WILLIAMSON;1251146]Dog here,
With all this loooong wait, I wunder how many have made their own wrench
I cain't as I got NO THUMBS
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Bill: I just had to laugh that either you or your dog don't have any THUMBS.. For those of you who do not know me I do not have any THUMBS either. That is why friends call me fingers. That is why I asked my son to make those sockets. Wow come to think of it my son don't have any thumbs either.
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Dog here,
With all this loooong wait, I wunder how many have made their own wrench
I cain't as I got NO THUMBS
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Bill: I just had to laugh that either you or your dog don't have any THUMBS.. For those of you who do not know me I do not have any THUMBS either. That is why friends call me fingers. That is why I asked my son to make those sockets. Wow come to think of it my son don't have any thumbs either.
Dog here,
Sum "mechanics" CAIN'T do diddley, cuz they're ALL THUMBS My disadvantage is thet I can ONLY count to 16
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ok guys, guess we need a bit of clarification or added info here.

Kinda had to laugh when I read the last few posts, and Bill Sr really didn't expound on the subject matter very well, lol.

Yes a few sockets have been shipped, yes I have notified a few more people that their sockets are ready to ship and currently waiting for payment and addresses and such.

Couple minor issues with paypal stuff, but we are working that out with a few different payment options which will be explained when you get your notification that your socket/s is/are ready to ship.

I have been trying to contact through email on ford barn instead of just pm through ford barn, which has been somewhat of a laborious task, but we will work through it.

I will be sending some more notices this week yet, but am planning to wait to send anymore until the end of the month. I will be leaving in a little over a week for a trip to Greece and do not want anyone sending money while I am gone, then wondering where their socket/s are since I won't be able to ship them until the beginning of April.

Now to clarify the thumbs finger thing..............

It's true, My Father has no thumbs, nor do I. We were blessed with five fingers instead of 4 fingers and a thumb. I think everyone should request that Bill Sr. send pictures of his hands to prove this to everyone since it is a rather interesting family trait.

I know this has been a long process, and I understand the impatience at this point. I have learned more about making a top quality tool than I ever wanted to over the last year, and have spent way more money doing so than I ever would have guessed. But I assure you everyone will be more than pleased when they finally get their "hands" on their socket. And you will all own a one of a kind tool, 100% made in the USA from start to finish including the material, tooling, machinery, and everything else used in the process to manufacture it.

On a final note, just in case anyone thinks different. I have been diligently working on these sockets, and have a lot invested doing so at this point. As stated, it has been one heck of a process, and I probably should have made less to start in order to figure everything out, but so be it. Any further manufacturing will be much smoother and less time consuming no doubt.

Due to the congenital family defects which have been described, I can never be accused of standing around with my thumb up my ass while you have all been waiting for these sockets, lol.

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Intrigueing story, Bill!
Men in both sides of my family were HUGE, (6' 4" to 6' 8") I have LOOOONG fingers & was known as "FINGERS" ALSO, when fellow techs couldn't start a nut or bolt. My "fee" was TWO BITS!
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Bill Haag, thanks for the update and information.
I never thought you had your thumb up anything but what you were working on, and now I know that would have been impossible anyway. Very interesting by the way.
I think I am among a lot of people who make the decision to buy something they need or is just "cool", then can hardly wait to get it.
As I said in an earlier post, this is like christmas... it's coming.
Have fun in Greece, I think you must deserve a break.
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My son Bill Jr, Haag1332 tells me a few of you fellas have received your 13/32 socket. I have been wondering what you think about it. Like, hate or what ever your feeling has been since receiving it. Thanks, Bill Sr.
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I was 5th on the list so I guess it's close to being my turn
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Nice try Mitch! You are number 17 in this thread. Some of us sent pms. I think I am number 19 on Feb. 8th 7:25am. Still waiting like you.
Ward read post # 112....confirmation from the principal....I think you were #103
I pmed and emailed my order, and don't recall CC'ing those to you ..

I have 4 reserved, but am willing to Wait or share the other 3 so others can get them if need be

guess we'll have a stampede for these things,,, last Model A'er standing wins

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PM I received 2-3-15:
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Haven't received mine yet.
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If number 3, 5 or 17 have not received theirs, my outlook is kinda bleak for awhile.. I am around 50.
Still waiting patiently...awhile longer.
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Was there a list posted of "who's on first" ?

If so I never saw it.
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I sent a PM early on for some of the sockets, but don't know where I am on the list either.
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In post #10, I said I would buy it without even knowing the price, that was before Mitch and I don't have one yet nor have I had a request for payment.

I even sent a PM the other day and have heard nothing back.

There was even a joke from them about sending me a personalized one in post 157.

Guess I'll just wait some more.
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Hope everyone is doing well.

I have had some problems with regard to notifications to people regarding these sockets. Some people don't check pm's here on a regular basis, some people used an email address on their profile that they don't regularly use, so on and so forth. I will also admit to not being very diligent on following up with a few different problems that have arisen so far.

I have also had a couple of problems with regard to the paypal account I set up for this project as well. On a funny note, one person notified sent me the wrong amount of money to my paypal account as well as did not include their ford barn name, and to make matters worse provided no shipping information or contact information. We have sorted this out at this point, but hopefully this doesn't continue to happen, lol.

I probably should have thought about the final sale and contact issue a bit more at the beginning of this process, but oh well, I am learning, lol.

I have a complete list of everyone who has expressed interest as well as who I have confirmed to receive the socket or sockets they have ordered, so don't worry. If I have sent you a confirmation on here, I will continue to reserve your socket and continue to try and contact you.

I have not contacted a great number of people at this point since we are trying to iron out a few issues with this whole process, and basically get the shipping rolling, but things are moving. I do not have all of the sockets completed yet, but I am getting closer day by day, and feel as though we have the process to a point where we can make a subsequent run to satisfy all new interest in the project.

On another note. I have not set up a business paypal account since I plan to donate proceeds from this project to a charity that our family regularly supports. This means I cannot accept credit card payments directly. However, please take the time to sign up with paypal and create an account which will allow you to use your credit card to pay for the sockets when you are notified. I will include a link to do so in the email I send when I notify you that your socket/s are ready to ship. It only takes a few minutes. I have also decided that other than paypal, the only other method of payment I will be able to accept will be a money order. Where to send the money order will also be included in the notification email. I have decided not to accept personal checks since the charges for one possibly returned check will be more than the cost of one socket, and obviously that will hurt.

So, anyone who has expressed interest and been confirmed on here, or anyone who has expressed interest and not been confirmed yet, please email me at my business email listed below, with your primary email that you use on a regular basis. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR FORD BARN NAME SO I KNOW WHO YOU ARE, AND MAKE SURE THE WORD "SOCKET" IS SOMEWHERE IN THE SUBJECT LINE.

If you do not send me an email and read this later or what have you, I will continue to try and contact you and will save your socket/s so DON'T WORRY lol. You will get your socket/s. If for some reason you are notified and no longer have interest, please let me know so I can fulfill someone else's interest, but I will continue to hold the socket/s for you until I receive such notice.

I appreciate all of the interest, and patience, and will make sure all of you get this socket, so again, please do not worry.

At this point I am just trying to simplify the process to make things easier for myself.

I may have missed something here, or, not explained something properly or completely since it is late, but I will answer any questions or address any concerns you folks may have at any time.


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Well after I posted I saw the post on the 12 point snap on socket and it looks good.

I apologize for the lengthy time frame on my 6 point, but it's fine if someone doesn't want the one I have been working on, just let me know, it's really not a problem, and again I apologize for the wait.

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I have used both 6 point and 12 point sockets and find that the 6 point socket works MUCH better.

The 12 point slips and rounds off the points on the Gav housing if the housing is even slightly worn on the points.
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Well after I posted I saw the post on the 12 point snap on socket and it looks good.

I apologize for the lengthy time frame on my 6 point, but it's fine if someone doesn't want the one I have been working on, just let me know, it's really not a problem, and again I apologize for the wait.

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I have used both 6 point and 12 point sockets and find that the 6 point socket works MUCH better.

The 12 point slips and rounds off the points on the Gav housing if the housing is even slightly worn on the points.

Benson hit it right on the head. 6 point much better for stubborn stuff. I'll keep my order thanks!
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Must be getting close. I had an eMail from Bill last night saying that my socket was ready to ship.
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Got the email at 9:04 pm last night.. For 4 sockets...
Payment sent at 9:05 pm last night
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eMail received over the weekend said that sockets are on their way. YAY!
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I am still waiting for that email. Drat. I waited too long to get on the list.
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P.S. join the rest of us that are waiting for that email to come. I thought I was pretty close to the front of the line, that is until I saw the posting from Mitch.
I am in there somewhere, and will be very happy when my turn does come.
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Right on, Jax. I know it will be worth the wait. Such a useful tool!!
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I received my sockets today, my first impression is the high quality (heavy) they are plus each comes with a cute little storage capsule... I will report back tomorrow as I have 3 carbs to take apart... Can't wait to try them out
Thanks Bill for the quick shipping and taking the time out of your busy schedule to hook us all up, they are a work of art..

One of these has Dads name on it along with a case of jet fuel coffee he is easy to buy for

Oh and the lifetime guarantee on the capsules and sockets are a super bonus




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gee whiz mitch, I think I went over the guarantee thing earlier in the thread........like way way back, lol, but now you want a lifetime supply of the "cute little storage capsule"


Seriously, lol, there is no pleasing you guys lol.

Let us know how you make out with your carbs. And on some repro valves the socket may only fit a couple of different ways since the tube on the repros is often off center from the hex.

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And I just re read this thing again mitch, and put more thought into your dad comment.

Nice to see you are thinking about your dad, and I hope he appreciates it as much as my dad did when he got the first prototype, which of course started this whole mess I have gotten involved with, lol.

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gee whiz mitch, I think I went over the guarantee thing earlier in the thread........like way way back, lol, but now you want a lifetime supply of the "cute little storage capsule"


Seriously, lol, there is no pleasing you guys lol.

Let us know how you make out with your carbs. And on some repro valves the socket may only fit a couple of different ways since the tube on the repros is often off center from the hex.

Bill

Actually I don't even remember what or if there was a guarantee,,was messin... But it won't be needed, as these are high quality..

I tried it out this morning it works as described.. The GAV bottoms out in the socket perfectly leaving the threads exposed, and fits between the GAV and carb housing perfectly..... Nice job




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I received my sockets today, my first impression is the high quality (heavy) they are plus each comes with a cute little storage capsule... I will report back tomorrow as I have 3 carbs to take apart... Can't wait to try them out
Thanks Bill for the quick shipping and taking the time out of your busy schedule to hook us all up, they are a work of art..

One of these has Dads name on it along with a case of jet fuel coffee he is easy to buy for

Oh and the lifetime guarantee on the capsules and sockets are a super bonus




Mine just arrived today, and yes the first thing I noticed was the weight. The labeling is not some simple scratching either, deep and clearly read.

VERY HAPPY Thanks again for the effort you put into this!!!
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WOW, those are beautiful... snappy (mfg) quality sockets. Now I am really excited waiting for my turn. Great job Bill!!
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WOW, those are beautiful... snappy (mfg) quality sockets. Now I am really excited waiting for my turn. Great job Bill!!
You are going to be so fricken happy with the quality. Worth every dime and then some!

Mitch am I wrong?
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Mike,

I appreciate the comment, but I think what everybody is really going to want to know is, was it worth the wait, and will it be worth the wait for the rest of the guys who's sockets I am working on?

Glad you are happy with the socket/s Mike.

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And a couple questions for Mitch.

Were you working on an original gav housing or a repro?

And how was the fit?

I am asking because the two are different, and a lot of thought and experimentation was put into the final design and machining of the socket to allow it to fit properly on both, when they are obviously different.

I have a trick to making these which no one will ever figure out in order to facilitate for the difference, however, it also is what makes these sockets difficult to make and creates a situation where they have to be made one off, individually fitted, and not mass produced.

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Hats off to you haag1332 and Son. I would also like 2 sockets. My email is [email protected]. I can pay by check or paypal. As long as your son is in to tackling sockets, some years back I cut off several 1/4 inch short extensions, made some electrodes and edm'ed some sockets which fit the Trico wiper motor screws on the covers. I just have one socket left for myself and have given the others away. I have never seen a socket for the screws unless Trico made and sold them. I have seen Trico tool kits for rebuilding the motors, but no sockets. Nice job on pursuing and filling a much needed tool.
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Kr500,

Just to clear something up, haag1332 is the son who is making the sockets, lol, Bill Jr. guess I better start signing things that way on hear. The old bill is fingers or something on here, and is the person responsible for getting me into this mess when he asked me if I could make him a socket for the gav valve.

I have added you to the list of interested people, but I am not confirming any new orders at this point. I have decided that I will make a second run for a number of reasons, and will confirm all the new people interested once I supply everyone from the first batch I am working on which is almost 150.

Hope all is well, and thank you for your interest.

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My socket arrived yesterday.
I just sent Bill this email:

"Bill,

an awesome job by any definition!

Socket arrived today, and it is a thing of beauty, I truly appreciate the skill and effort that went into making this happen."

When you get yours you will NOT be sorry! Worth the wait.
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And a couple questions for Mitch.

Were you working on an original gav housing or a repro?

And how was the fit?

I am asking because the two are different, and a lot of thought and experimentation was put into the final design and machining of the socket to allow it to fit properly on both, when they are obviously different.

I have a trick to making these which no one will ever figure out in order to facilitate for the difference, however, it also is what makes these sockets difficult to make and creates a situation where they have to be made one off, individually fitted, and not mass produced.

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I was working with original Gav's, just removing them from the carbs I have to rebuild. The fit was tight with no slop at all so I can't answer right now about the repo fit. I am not a tool and die / machine man but I have a thought of what your secret design maybe for it to hold the repo's also, but I won't tell anyone so don't worry ...
Again thanks so much and I am looking forward to everyone else receiving their sockets.

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I thought the second size used was a common size that would be in every deep socket set.
It's been a long time since I worked on one, but 7/16" seems to ring a bell.
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And I just re read this thing again mitch, and put more thought into your dad comment.

Nice to see you are thinking about your dad, and I hope he appreciates it as much as my dad did when he got the first prototype, which of course started this whole mess I have gotten involved with, lol.

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So Bill (haag1332) how does this work? Do you send a email/PM when you have my socket ready to be paid for?

I haven't received anything since your last PM from 2/2015. Just getting anxious I guess.



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So Bill (haag1332) how does this work? Do you send a email/PM when you have my socket ready to be paid for?

I haven't received anything since you last PM from 2/2015. Just getting anxious I guess.


I'm in the same camp. I'm not in any huge hurry, but I'm anxious! They look great!
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Who wants to buy one? . LOL
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Mitch you dirty dog you, lol.

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Yblockhead and montanafordman, read back to post 291 where I tried to explain some things. Your sockets are not done just yet, but close. Not sure where you guys are on the list right at the moment, but can look it up and let you know if you email me or what have you.

Tom, my understanding is the 7/16 is for a different year or whatever, but the original and repro for whatever years is 13/32. One of the more knowledgeable guys on here needs to re explain this for everyone's edification. Could someone please do this to clear this all up again, lol.

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forever, you say in years past 7/16. Do they still make repro 7/16 and were they ever standard on certain carbs or years?

I have had this explained to me at length before, and should have written it all down, because I am curious myself. And another question, were the 13/32 gav's ever used on any other carbs besides the zenith?

Just curious, not trying to screw up this thread. If you or someone posts a complete explanation of this at some point, I am going to print it and hang it here in the shop so I can refer to it from time to time, lol.

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Got mine today. Beautiful!
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Glad you are happy with them Carl.

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Steve Pargeter in his excellent book on the Model A Zenith Carburetor says they were all originally 13/32.
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So then the 7/16 was an aftermarket repro provided just to use a commonly available socket but not original. Once again I have to ask though, was the 13/32 gav ever used on any other carb, aftermarket or otherwise?

Just got your letter today smog and will have my response in the mail first thing monday morning, lol.

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I have a 13/32" GAV on my old Tillotson X...but the new rebuild kit I have for it has a 7/16 GAV...
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Bratton's catalog lists both 7/16 and 13/32.
1928 to Sept. 4, 1930 as 7/16.
Sept. 4 1930 to 1931 as 13/32

I didn't find anything in the Judging Standards.
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Is Bratton offering the 7/16 GAV as a common wrench size replacement? Bill
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Always in a quest to learn more about my '30 Town Sedan (and I was plain ass curious...) I just went out and measured my Zenith and it is indeed .438" (7/16").

I have no history of the carb, maybe it was "Molested".
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Well this is all clear as mud now, lol. Sorry I even asked for a definitive explanation at this point, lol.

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If I lived closer to the Henry Ford Museum I'd be over at the Benson Ford Research Center looking at the GAV blueprint.

At any rate, the 7/16" deep socket is a common part, so all we need are a bunch of 13/32" quality sockets.

I filed out a 10 mm Snap On 6 point box wrench about 10 years ago, and that works fine, but a 6 point socket would be even better.
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I use an oddball offshore 11mm 6 point deep socket seems to fit well, sometimes working on my wife's GM nothing fits well!
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I've only worked on my own carbs, but did have one with a 7/16" GAV. Now I wish I'd have paid more attention to the carb details to maybe put a date to it. Of course it could have been an old repro part also.
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I can imagine a cheapy 11mm would fit. There is only .005" difference between 11mm and 7/16".
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Stupid question here since I am just a novice with regard to model A's and merely making a socket which a whole lot of people seem to want, but..........

If Zenith was making these carbs for Ford or whatever, are there any records from, or a way to find records from, the Zenith company to determine exactly what they were supplying to Ford Motor Company?

Again, not trying to make a mess out of this, but I have become more and more curious about the real deal regarding this 13/32 gav.

I kinda liked forever4's thing about drawing correction or whatever. I know in those days as well, many manufacturers were trying to make things that could only be serviced by the dealers with the correct tools. This is still common practice today as a matter of fact.

In any event, once again I am not trying to screw this all up, but I really am curious as to what the real truth is behind the 13/32 gav.

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And if I am not mistaken, somewhere I saw where a 13/32" 12 point wrench was actually included in a tool kit supplied with certain model A's or whatever.

Sorry, forgot about that till just now.

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What is total cost including shipping for this socket? Wayne
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Socket arrived today. Well worth the wait. Thoughtfully designed, packaged for garage storage with written recommendations. Nice doing business with a couple of straight-up guys!
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Hopefully Bud doesn't get upset with me but I just wanted to post the pm he sent me earlier today after he received his socket.

Per BudP
"Every person has ability of some kind. Fewer people have a commitment to quality. Fewer still are those who combine their talent with a commitment to quality. The fortunate ones in the last catagory can show their talent and commitment in a single product. Your socket is such a herald of your abilities and commitments. Thanks!"

Sorry if I shouldn't have posted this Bud, but I appreciated your comments, and making guys like yourself and others on here happy with these sockets is what I have been working toward. My goal has been to exceed expectations, and I intend to continue to do so.

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Meant every word I said, Bill.
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"Every person has ability of some kind. Fewer people have a commitment to quality. Fewer still are those who combine their talent with a commitment to quality. The fortunate ones in the last category can show their talent and commitment in a single product. Your socket is such a herald of your abilities and commitments. Thanks!"
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Hope to receive mine soon?
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I haven't been contacted either. But, since I know I am on the list, I'm happy. When it happens, it happens.
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Still patiently waiting.
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Looks like forever4 and I are in the same area on the list. We both "ordered" ours the same day. Still patiently waiting.
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And I'm not far behind, and patiently waiting also..
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I am still interested.

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Delivery in what year?
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Steve Pargeter in his excellent book on the Model A Zenith Carburetor says they were all originally 13/32.
Snap on catalogs list 13/32" for 1928 to before July 1929 and 7/16" for July 1929 to 1931
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I'll bet Bill Jr. never offers to do something like this again. Bill
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Some of us are glad we didn't order! Wayn
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Yeah, he seems to have dropped off on keeping us posted on progress.
I think he is probably overwhelmed now, with this taking WAY longer than he anticipated and the requests keep coming.
A great idea has turned into a possible head ache he did not envision when he started.
Everyone who has received one of his sockets is very happy, those of us who have not are waiting patiently (Mostly)... but now it is summer and family time is at a premium.
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a simple idea turned complicated when everyone wanted stamping, which was not essential to function
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It has been over a year now! maybe it is time to cancel the orders and list when he completes a batch. Wayne
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OK, sorry to bring this up again, but wondered if anyone else has received a socket since May? I have not seen or heard anything other than questions and comments (Mine included) since that time and just wondered.
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Long story, will try and explain later, but had to remake just over a hundred. Most everyone will hear from me in the next 2 weeks to order, the rest shortly after, and Jax, you will get your notice in the next day or so, as well as the last few in the thread.

Haven't had time to go way back through this thread, but yes, this project has been rather difficult, as well as scrapping almost a hundred sockets by using an outside source for heat treating finished sockets a few months ago.

Thankfully my youngest son has pitched in big time to get things back to where they were a number of months ago with a new supply of blanks.

Sent 20 notices tonight, and will continue on a relatively daily basis.

Thank you all for your continued interest and support.

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Long story, will try and explain later, but had to remake just over a hundred.
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Bill, Sorry to hear that. I got your email earlier this evening and sent payment.
Thanks for all you have done...
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Y got the payment, it is boxed and will ship wednesday.
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Scratch that Y. Sorry, will ship today, 11/8/16. Sorry, mixing up days.
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Still patiently waiting.
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Got my notice from Bill today, no longer have to patiently wait! Thank you Bill.
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Sent a confirmation just now.
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Nothing for me as yet.. still patiently waiting.
Thanks Bill for letting me know I am coming up soon though.
Also sorry to hear you ran into problems with this, but am happy it was that as opposed to something more serious.
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Patience paid off... got my notice tonight and sent my money. Here they come!!
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Patience, Bill is trying real hard to satisfy each of us.
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A lot of people not impressed with this person. Obviously very little business experience. Wayne.
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When I send you guys your notices to purchase, please do not divulge the information to others.

I have now had to weed out and refund 3 different purchases since they were not on the original interest and confirmed list.

We are making a second run, so express your interest and let me add you to the second list, but please don't try and circumvent this process since it is already rather time consuming to deal with.

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I had a 13/32 deep socket in some cheap 1/4" sockets I had laying around.

The machining operation that made the hex left these leaves inside the socket that would not allow it to go over the tube portion. They were hard so I used some of these small dremel diamond bits I got at one of the cheapo tool tables at Hershey one year to grind them down. Worked like a charm.

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I am sure ready for mine.
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And I'm not far behind, and patiently waiting also..
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Maybe because it says you can't offer articles for sale in the discussion forum.They. Have been very obliging up until now. Wayne
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Our hobby and the industry have existed very nicely without your socket for more than 85 years and will continue to do so if you withdraw it from the market. You may well possess technical skills but your business savy leaves much to be desired. For you to demand that Ryan run his site your way is nothing short of preposterous. Wayne

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This is bizarre... I cleaned this thread up big time.

We don't allow drama on this forum. It's stated in the rules... It's stated just about everywhere. And I don't think it's too much to ask. We are adults. Be decent to each other. If you've got a problem with another user, take it up with them in a private message.

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Bill, I received my socket yesterday, 2 days after sending you the payment via PayPal. It looks great! I have not yet gone out to the shop to test it out. I will report back when I do. Thanks for taking this project on.
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Glad to hear Jim,

Guess we will wait to see what you think after trying it out.

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Bill,
Received my sockets today, they are a work of art. The sockets are beautiful and the packaging will not only help keep them in good shape, but also identify them in my tool box.
Well done and I am very happy to have them..

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Received my socket today, wonderfully done, well worth the wait!
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Now we'll get questions like: WHUT'S A GAV, WHICH WAY DO I TURN IT, GOO or NO GOO, WHUT'S THE TORQUE ON IT, DO THEY MAKE A HELI-COIL FOR IT, ETC-------------LOL
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Now we'll get questions like: WHUT'S A GAV, WHICH WAY DO I TURN IT, GOO or NO GOO, WHUT'S THE TORQUE ON IT, DO THEY MAKE A HELI-COIL FOR IT, ETC-------------LOL
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And if they do, I would suggest that they open a new link with the question and then answer it there. Before buying my first A I had no idea what a GAV was, let alone how to use it.
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Funny you say that MikeV. I know what it looks like and how to make a socket for it, lol, even understand it's function and how it operates, but I am sure that using it takes some practical experience.
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I must admit I am surprised at the number of people who have received the sockets over the last couple weeks who have not commented here yet.

Not exactly sure when Tom Wessenberg got his, or if he got them yet, but I have been eagerly awaiting his technical input be it good or bad, lol.

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And I didn't mean that last comment to diminish anyone elses review of the socket in any way.

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I thought I read that we were asked to not comment about receiving them. Yes, I did receive them a couple days ago and will take them to the clinic this Thursday. Hope I can remember who all wanted them, or I might have one or two left over. They are a very nicely machined socket, and will sure help with carb work. Thanks Bill
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Thanks Bill for a quality tool. Well worth the wait. Norm
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Never said about saying you received them, just said not to divulge the ordering information.

Some people have gotten the information to place orders and have done so even they are not on the list for the first run of sockets I made.

I agreed to make sockets for the original interested parties. I will be making another run for others who are interested that didn't make it on the first list. The second run is already started, but I only have enough from the first run to satisfy the original interested parties. The rest will have to wait a bit.

I am not sure how to explain this better, lol, sorry.

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Anyway Tom,

curious to hear your opinion since you seem to be rather technical, and have a great amount of knowledge on the subject.

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Please check your emails and pm's. Since some of the emails may not have been updated or have changed, I will send the same people pm's on here to see if I get a response.

I still have other notices to send over the next few weeks, so if you have not been notified do not worry, it will probably be sent very soon.

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I received my socket yesterday via USPS 2 day delivery. I am really pleased with the quality and workmanship of this long needed tool. No more vice grips, cuss words etc. Thank you Bill for this fine contribution to our hobby. Mike in NJ (jburnsinnj)
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Thanks for the kind words guys.

Over 50 people have received sockets in the last couple of weeks. Many of which haven't posted anything here or contacted me directly.

I sure hope all of them feel the same way, lol. I haven't had a single negative comment yet and if I have done the job as well as I think I did, I don't expect to hear any.

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I received my socket and it looks great! Now I just have to use it. Thank you for all your efforts and time. Jim
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Well let us know what you think when you use it Jim, we/I would love to hear your opinion.

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Old 11-18-2016, 09:15 PM   #392
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Hi Bill - I got mine as well. They look great, and I'm looking forward to trying them out. Thanks for all your work to make this happen!
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:01 AM   #393
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what is the cost plus shipping or shipping included!
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Old 11-19-2016, 09:39 AM   #395
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Received mine about a week ago. Very nice. Thanks for your efforts on these. Hope it is profitable for you and not a break even or loss.

Wis I had bought more to give to our club members. Thanks again
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:13 PM   #396
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Guys, once again, please pay attention to the instructions I send you about ordering the socket. If you don't include your ford barn name, and it is nothing like your name used to ship, I can't verify who you are and ship in a timely manner.

Please try and follow the directions in order to make my life more simple and get your sockets in a timely manner.

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Old 11-21-2016, 08:18 PM   #397
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Are there any more for sale and cost please ??
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Well, I tell ya folks, I have over $14,000.00 worth of Snap-On tools in my box and don't have one of these. So, if it's not too much trouble, would you please add me to the list of those wanting one.

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You notify me with email, I will give you the $30.00 for the socket and shipping to your email or PayPal account and you can ship one to me.

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Please try and follow the directions in order to make my life more simple and get your sockets in a timely manner.

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Bill's instructions are easy to follow.

Once your number comes up and you are notified, Bill gets your socket to you really fast. Bill has made us a quality product and I doubt he is going to retire off the proceeds so let's try to make his life easier. I keep mine in my Special Tool Tool Drawer.

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Well, I tell ya folks, I have over $14,000.00 worth of Snap-On tools in my box and don't have one of these. So, if it's not too much trouble, would you please add me to the list of those wanting one.
If you are fixated on Snap-On brand tools, they also made a 13/32 socket for this purpose. You can find it on eBay.

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Well, I tell ya folks, I have over $14,000.00 worth of Snap-On tools in my box and don't have one of these. So, if it's not too much trouble, would you please add me to the list of those wanting one.

[email protected]

You notify me with email, I will give you the $30.00 for the socket and shipping to your email or PayPal account and you can ship one to me.

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Actually, the day the tools were officially paid for, the driver disappeared never to return. Musta retired on the purchasing of my tools from him. That worth was also in the '80s since in 1990 I stopped wrenching on motorcycles and cars and went to work for UPRR where I have since retired.

Now, I would rather support the enthusiast rather than the huge corporation, my order for the socket still stands.
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Thank you for your support forever4. Really, geez. Honestly, thanks to all the rest of you for your patience and support.

Not even sure what to say. Guess everyone should go to ebay and I will throw the rest of what I am working on in the scrap pile.

Really though, Thank you guys!!

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Thank you for your support forever4. Really, geez. Honestly, thanks to all the rest of you for your patience and support.

Not even sure what to say. Guess everyone should go to ebay and I will throw the rest of what I am working on in the scrap pile.

Really though, Thank you guys!!

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Haha, don't do that!! Not everyone can say they have a genuine Haag 13/32" socket.
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Old 11-22-2016, 08:23 PM   #406
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I would love to send one to forever4 to see if I could gain his support with the quality of my socket, but I just can't afford to give any away at this point since I am already in a loss position on this project. But oh well.

Then again, Christmas is coming, maybe I will be in the giving mood during the celebration of our saviors birth in about a month.

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Old 11-22-2016, 08:26 PM   #407
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Hey, if you didn't know, I am thrilled with all the Snap-on tools I do have, but I ain't chasin no trucks to only order and hope they get back to me with what I need.

Keep up the good work Jr., I still want one!
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Old 11-23-2016, 12:28 AM   #408
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Ummmm Check your PM's DaWizard, you have been placed on the list, and an explanation of where things stand with regard to this project.

Hope all is well, and thank you for your interest.

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Old 11-23-2016, 02:33 PM   #409
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Just received my Haag 13/32" deep well socket and tried it out on an old Oct 28-Dec 28 Holley. The worn, rounded nut came right off.

Very pleased with the quality and service. Valuable tool for the those of us that like to work on Zenith carbs.

Thanks for your contribution to the hobby, Bill.
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Old 11-23-2016, 05:58 PM   #410
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Glad it worked for you Hoarse. I would have expected nothing less since I have a lot of time wrapped up in designing, testing, and making these things with specialty made tooling in order to hold tight tolerances.

Thank you for the review,

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Old 11-23-2016, 07:47 PM   #411
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Bill, The two sockets I ordered arrived today, beautiful work and cleaver packaging. After reviewing this post - it hardly seems enough to say thanks for your time and effort. This grew into a large project for you - Thank You. Bill
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:17 PM   #412
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Thank you Bill, I am sure you will be pleased with them.

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Old 11-24-2016, 12:03 PM   #413
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Every one of these posts just makes we, whose number has not yet come up, more and more anxious!
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Old 11-24-2016, 01:07 PM   #414
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Every one of these posts just makes we, whose number has not yet come up, more and more anxious!
How often in a lifetime will you use it, maybe 2 or 3 times if you are not a rebuilder? I. Can see. No need to get anxious. Wayne
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Old 11-29-2016, 12:34 AM   #415
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Guys seriously, lol

Please read the instructions when I send the ordering notices.

Once again I send a bunch of notices, then guys order and don't include their Ford Barn name, and I have no idea whether they are legit or not with respect to all the original interested parties on here.

When I send you notice through FB Mail or PM and you don't include the FB name on the order, I have no idea who you are since I do not see your email address on FB when I send the notice. And if I send you a PM and you don't include your FB name on the order, I have no idea once again who you are.

I spent considerable time tonight narrowing (4) people down by geographical location with there FB info and then the shipping address provided.

I think my instructions in the notice are pretty simple. I keep reviewing them to see what I am missing, but I think it is pretty clear.

Anyway, please read the notice carefully when you get it since it would make things much easier on my end to make sure the original interested parties get their sockets, and not a couple of johnny come lately's slip in ahead.

On another note, I have not had a bad review yet of the socket from anyone who has used it so I guess we are doing a good job.

I still have few people who have not responded to the notices, even after numerous attempts sending PM's as well as sending to email through FB, and email sent to my personal email, [email protected]. I am planning to put a list of these FB names on here in the near future since some of the members here may be friends with them or have some idea how I can contact them in case the contact information here on FB has changed, or they are no longer on FB. If they are no longer interested it's fine, but I would like to know so I can distribute the sockets I am holding for them to other interested parties who are eager to aquire them.

Hope you are all well,

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Old 11-29-2016, 11:40 AM   #416
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I received mine and the Quality is Great!
FYI I'm a Quality Control Inspector and Reverse Engineer.
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Old 11-30-2016, 04:25 PM   #417
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Wahoo! Mine arrived today - they look really nice. Nice touch with the engraving. I'll try them in the shop shortly. Bill - thanks for this contribution to our hobby.

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Old 11-30-2016, 06:29 PM   #418
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It's a very well built socket, and I'm glad the stamping was added. I haven't had a chance to use mine yet, but may have to find a carb just to try it out.
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Old 11-30-2016, 06:38 PM   #419
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Thank you for the input Tom. I am confident you will be even happier once you use it. So far nothing but positive reports from everyone.

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Put mine to work this morning - worked perfectly on a spare carb. I'm another happy camper!!
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Old 12-02-2016, 01:27 PM   #421
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Bill , Revived my socket today , and as expected from the reviews it fits great / fine workmanship / nice detail in the labeling / and great idea with the packaging , that way I can keep it oiled . Thanks for the hard work you put into this .
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:04 PM   #422
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Bill, Mine arrived today also. Ditto all the positive comments... Excellent product!!!
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:40 PM   #423
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I got my two sockets today too and they are great! Well worth the wait.

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Well, you guys got me goin. I have a carburetor just sittin here waiting for the socket. I sure hope I'm not too far down the list.

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Just got back from Thanksgiving in RI and couldn't wait to open my "Christmas Present".
What a wonderful tool! Thanks Bill, Jr for a wonderful job and well worth the wait. Thank you also for supporting the hobby and all us "elderly" folk who enjoy the Model A's so much. Jim M
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tbirdbird - absolutely! Not the same old Phil's physically but still great food at great price. In addition they have a large calendar framed on the wall and it actually has my birth date!
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I'll bet that is a healthy wall, it would have to be to hold up the tablet !
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Good thing I still have my sense of hummer! Might turn in the leaning tower of pizza pie.
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After 400 plus posts, hopefully this will be soon over and on the swap meet site where it belongs. Wayne
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400 posts might indicate that it's gained a lot of interest where it is. Fortunately, the title thread is clear and easy enough to pass by those not interested.
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I'm sure if Ryan felt it belonged on the swap meet site he would have moved it. I like it exactly where it is.


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Times 2 or should it be 4 or 5 ?
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I know a guy who ordered his last Monday and it arrived yesterday
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I am Still interested
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Just wandering what happened with these sockets? I've not heard anything.
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Old 12-08-2017, 02:06 PM   #443
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It's a very nice socket, and there was enough interest to make a second run, but I haven't heard if that ever happened. Sure glad I got mine on the first run.
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Old 12-08-2017, 05:56 PM   #444
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Yes, a really nice job. Definitely a keeper. Bill (haag1332) hasn't posted in over a year tho...
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Old 01-21-2022, 03:41 PM   #445
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Did anything ever become of this? I'd love one of these sockets!
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Old 01-21-2022, 03:58 PM   #446
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Did anything ever become of this? I'd love one of these sockets!
Yes, I received a very nice 13/32" socket and a tube to store it in. Great job. Bill may have found it was more work than he anticipated but I appreciate the effort he put in for us. That was like 4 years ago.

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Old 01-21-2022, 04:01 PM   #447
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I requested one in Dec 2016. It would be a handy socket to have.

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Old 01-21-2022, 07:39 PM   #448
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I got mine.
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Old 01-21-2022, 07:57 PM   #449
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The person that was making them, their last post and time on this site was back in 2017. You could try contacting them with a PM, but I think after one post a while back that I read, think the wind went out of their sail because of that post, that and the sheer volume of requests may have overwhelmed them.
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Old 01-24-2022, 12:34 PM   #450
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I know this might be a long shot, but here goes. Anybody that bought multiple sockets be willing to sell me one, please? I only ask because it appears they are no longer making them. My 13/32 snap-on 1/4 inch drive socket will not reach the flats on the GAV, plus it is a multi-point. I currently have 3 very stubborn GAV's to remove so I can proceed with the rebuilds. Any help?
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Old 01-24-2022, 03:07 PM   #451
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Has anyone attempted to take a 10 mm deep well socket and waller it out some to fit? You can possibly use a small triangular file and a dremel tool.

Or dress down the nut portion on the soft GAV to fit a 10 mm with a fingernail file?

Is a 11 mm deep well socket too sloppy to do the job even if some shim stock was added?

I have also seen swap meet carbs that the GAV was hacksawed flush to the bod for some unknown reason. An Easyout tool can be inserted to remove the remainder of the GAV still in the body. Naturally it is then replaced with a “new” replacement GAV.

Luckily I have never needed this 13/32 socket as I have been able to remove the Zenith GAVs in the past with heat and a tiny crescent adjustable wrench and / or needle nosed small vice-grips.
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Old 01-24-2022, 03:21 PM   #452
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See my post here.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301224

I have a couple left... 6-point Williams wrench works perfectly removing GAV 13/32
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Old 01-25-2022, 11:12 AM   #453
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I have access to a Model A era tool for removing the GVA, I can say that not all GVA's take the same size socket. That "T" handled deep socket tool does not fit on all of them. Guessing could be reproduction GVA's that were made to fit a standard size socket or wrench.
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