New Restoration or Older Restoration ?

[Deluxe Delivery Don]

I got to thinking about this for a few days so I thought I would ask the Question. When someone Restores a Car or Truck When does a New Restoration become an Old or Older Restoration? I know it depends on how the Car or Truck is Stored and how it was restored so that means that there is no imaginary Line on a Date of after 1,2,3 or 4,5, Years . Just would like to here your input. I went to look at a Model A the other day and the gentlemen said it was restored, (in his eyes) but it was restored in 1958. So that is why i'am asking the question. There should be a lot of chatter on this one.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Time line, I don't know, but when some folks sell a car, they seem to think that "OLDER RESTORATION" adds some glamour or something?? Or, maybe it has developed a slight amount of highly desired "patina"?? (CRUD!) Or a little green algae growin' on the L/H teacup tail light?? Or that "OLDER RESTORATIONS" were better than "MODERN RESTORATIONS"??? I think they're NUTS!! Bill W.

[Roadster62]

I'd say a 10 year old restoration qualifies as an "Older Restoration" based on the AACA Judging ruling. In AACA you can take a Top Award winner and "RErestore" the car and run it through the Judging System as a "NEW Restoration", the old Award Tabs have to be returned to Headquarters and the vehicle starts with a new number in the records department. Bob

[Richard Wilson]

Bill brings up a good point. "that "OLDER RESTORATIONS" were better than "MODERN RESTORATIONS"??? " We probably should start another thread on this topic.

Some feel that older is better because they had better quality original cars and parts to start with, NOS parts were more often used, not as many reproduction pieces were used in the restoration, original paint and upholstery products were available, etc. Modern restorations benefit from more detailed knowledge of how the cars were built due to all of the ongoing research in the Archives etc.

Personally, I think the big variable in "old vs new" restoration would depend on how the vehicle has been used since restored. Was it hauled to a couple shows and mostly kept in storage and still looks brand new or has it been driven and used as a car with the ensuing expected deterioration?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Older restoration was easier because back then they also had 6 pages of JC Whitney and Rick's paks to choose from.

[Scott H in Wheaton]

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I'm the opposite of the original post. When I see the words "older restoration" I think the seller is trying to say "Yes its been restored, but it was awhile ago and may not look as good as it once did".
I think the increased knowledge base and the wide range of procedures has lead to better quality restorations possible now than what used to be in the past.
Provided the restorer is skilled at what he/she does!

[Tinbasher]

Restored: Stored in this barn then restored in a new barn. "Restored".

Just a smile for the morning!!
The Old Tinbasher

[Steve Plucker]

So a hypothetical question to go along with Don's post...

Someone has just completed a restoration. Went to a MARC/MAFCA meet and scored very high in the judging, say 480 plus give or take.

The car/truck then goes to a museum where it is treated with tender loving care. When one is looking at it right after the judging and the car is in the museum, it still is a "new" restoration.

Now, so many years goes by, the car/truck is still in the same prestine condition as day one when it enterd the museum.

So just how many years then does "new" become "old"?

Pluck

[Kurt in NJ]

My car is back to "original" --it has been "restored" longer than it was original so it is original again, the funny thing is I get many more compliments on it now than when it was first restored ---although I will have to do something about the paint flaking off the front fender
I never won any prize at any show when it was first restored(unless the boobie prize from a sports car ralley for last place counts), as a 15 year old restoration I got a blue ribbon at a national meet, now it is to enjoy, not worry, when parents tell the kid to not touch I thank the parent for being concerned then invite the kid to sit on the seat, honk the horn

Mine is definitely an old restoration.

[Deluxe Delivery Don]

[QUOTE=Steve Plucker;629532]So a hypothetical question to go along with Don's post...

Someone has just completed a restoration. Went to a MARC/MAFCA meet and scored very high in the judging, say 480 plus give or take.

The car/truck then goes to a museum where it is treated with tender loving care. When one is looking at it right after the judging and the car is in the museum, it still is a "new" restoration.

Now, so many years goes by, the car/truck is still in the same prestine condition as day one when it enterd the museum.

So just how many years then does "new" become "old"?

Pluck[/QUOTE. So When Does New become Old ?

[Gary WA]

[QUOTE=Deluxe Delivery Don;629646]

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

So a hypothetical question to go along with Don's post...

Someone has just completed a restoration. Went to a MARC/MAFCA meet and scored very high in the judging, say 480 plus give or take.

The car/truck then goes to a museum where it is treated with tender loving care. When one is looking at it right after the judging and the car is in the museum, it still is a "new" restoration.

Now, so many years goes by, the car/truck is still in the same prestine condition as day one when it enterd the museum.

So just how many years then does "new" become "old"?

Pluck[/QUOTE. So When Does New become Old ?

AS SOON AS someone drove it off the assembly line. Now it's OLD<! It will always be Old!!!Restored or Not!!! HAHA. Just tell your wife you need a big loan!!!??

[Rock Hornbuckle]

Old vs. new is more difficult to cipher, than old vs. young. When someone learns to do "young restorations", I'll be the first in line.

[Mike V. Florida]

3 years 7 months and 4 days.

[msmaron]

7 years, 3 months and 2 days...sorry!

[Donvito]

The only thing that counts is: what exactly is the condition of the vehicle at this time? There are too many variables with restorations. Some are amateur. Some are professional. How well was the vehicle "restored" to begin with? Some are done right, others not so great. Then, what has the car been through since it's restoration? One car might sit in a museum for 30 years. Another may have had years of driving and wear & tear after the restoration. Which is in better condition now?
Mike

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by msmaron

7 years, 3 months and 2 days...sorry!

That's for a professional restoration. My numbers are for non professional restorations!

[Elcastor]

And, what about a poor "professional" restoration?

[MikeK]

It's a new resto if built to show with the current JS. When the next revision comes out it goes the way of manure. Some prefer fresh, others clamor for composted. Points scored are meaningless. They only indicate strength of aroma.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Dog here,
How about"RETRO-RESTO"? Has a nice CONFUSING ring to it! "RipVan" Vermin's been "sleeping" since '87, with a new engine & Firestones with the nubbies still on the tires. Had to get new hides, the sidewalls rotted! (NO, I didn't pee on them! That's a NO-NO!) Buster T.

[Forker]

Interesting question for sure.

As someone who recently concluded a search for a Model A, I can assure you that there are no standard definitions of the following:

• 'Restoration'
• 'Older' Restoration
• 'Newer' Restoration
• 'Partial' Restoration
• 'Professional' Restoration
• 'Driver'
• Etc.

The point being is, does it really matter how someone else classifies a period of time or condition and is there really a right or wrong answer to the question...imho it doesn't.



george