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Old 09-23-2019, 09:08 AM   #1
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Morning all, I just had my 1955 fordomatic rebuilt and have about 100 miles on it. It has very firm shifts now which I don’t like but it seems(?) to be getting softer. They reused the original plates which were in good shape and rebuilt the torque converter. They recommended tracter oil (5 or 10 weight) which seemed good - they seemed to know their stuff and didn’t recommend type f ( I’m not asking about oil so let’s not side tangent into that ). I am curious as to when others’ shift into 3rd? It used to shift into 3rd around 25 mph, rarely downshifted into 1st. Now it won’t shift into 3rd until 40 to 45 mph if I’m even feathering the gas. Did I just get used to an old sickly transmission? Is this a better range? It’s certainly louder and will result in worse miles due to higher rpms but I’d prolly get better acceleration/control. When Does yours shift? Also, I’m a little concerned about what feels like a hesitation/slip when starting from a stop light ( in 2nd). It takes a couple seconds for it to feel as responsive as it used to unless you gas it and force it to down shift. Is this a band adjustment? I go back in a couple hundred miles for a free check/ adjustment so I want to know what to ask for.
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Old 09-23-2019, 01:28 PM   #2
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the old fordos always started in 2nd, never in 1st unless you floored it from a stand still. The best thing to begin with on adjustments is to be sure you have a baseline for linkage. The shop manual will indicate how to line up the holes at the carb linkage assembly on the intake manifold. Once lined up (with a dowel rod or sometimes the right diameter screwdriver shaft) you can then make an initial setting on your kickdown linkage. This rod that goes to the springloaded arm on the side of your transmission is length specific for sure. Adjustments to make the rod longer will mean you shift earlier. Adjustments to make the rod shorter means you shift later. The springloaded lever basically manages the load to the gears...

40-45 mph upshift to 3rd does seem a little late unless you are really flooring it (and of course you say you are feathering it and all). As I recall back when I ran a fordo each day, it was basically the 25-35 range that I had upshifts to 3rd and that was what I liked anyway.


did the shop put the transmission back in for you or did you do that yourself? I would think that the adjustment on the linkage is the place to begin if they rebuilt the transmission correctly.

the firmer shifts may be because of the fluid they recommended, not sure about that and don't want to get into the trans fluid debate, but of course.... the fluid you use makes a dramatic difference because that fluid controls the friction between plates.
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Old 09-23-2019, 07:35 PM   #3
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The shop did everything, and considering the price I paid I will be asking them to be doing the adjustments. I’m just trying to get an idea of what other fordomatics do in case I’m biased from my old transmission. I know the start in second, it’s still does that but does feel like it takes a couple seconds to solidly engage ( which is not enjoyable).
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Tractor oil, 5 or 10W ???
Fordomatics should use Merc/Dexron automatic transmission fluid. Check fluid level at the dipstick while engine is RUNNING and gear shift lever is in neutral.
I completely agree that the old brass clutch plates can be re-used if still in good condition. They will probably long outlast the composite discs found in modern rebuild kits.
Transmission should shift from intermediate into 3rd at around 27mph if passing gear link is adjusted properly AND there are no fluid pressure problems.
The 1956 Fordomatic shop manual (not the car shop manual) gives excellent detail in adjusting the passing gear link. This adjustment is critical in obtaining proper shifting.
Once that adjustment has been corrected, the delay in downshifting at stop signs will disappear also.
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Delco,
The adjustment procedure pictures can be found in the thread I started here, https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267376. I'm actually installing a tachometer for this exact reason to see at what RPM my fordomatic is shifting from 2nd to 3rd but based on feel I'd say i'm close to the 25mph mark. As you can read from my thread, when the linkage was sticking I was experiencing exactly what you are right now, late (35-40mph) and harder shifts.
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:01 AM   #6
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Yup they said no to type F and recommended and used tractor oil 5 or 10 wt. Not sure how invasive I should be with them, I left them my manual but they didn’t look at it for making adjustments. it’s not like they’re rebuilding a bunch of fordomatics that often but On the flip side considering they’ve rebuilt thousands of transmissions they probably know a thing or two.

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Ugh now I’m wondering if I should have been more vocal vs deferring to their experience. I hate being in this position :/
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... whew ...

How many experienced re-builders will still be around with fifties trans tech knowledge? It would have to be a specialty shop I would think.

As for motor oil, that was thirties/forties tech.

They re-used the clutch plates. Did they charge you for a complete overhaul set?
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:26 PM   #9
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Well he was certainly old enough i'd say, and transmissions are their bread and butter. Not sure what you mean by overhaul set but they charged labor for a rebuild ( took it apart piece by piece due due the X cross-member underneath). The alternative was pulling the engine out to the tranny out in one piece.

They rebuilt the torque converter, put new seals, some smaller parts (springs?), etc. They said it was in pretty good shape generally, but replaced the rear band which was chewed up/damaged and had to fashion a new one due to parts availability. (I also gave them a MACs catalog just in case but i doubt they saw that either *rolls eyes*).

I don't have the bill in front of me regarding specifics.
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and I guess if folks really think that they made a mistake by using "tractor oil" versus dexron/mercron, i could always have it changed and bring a new pan with a drain to simplify this in the future. It sounded like they considered the two pretty similar or at least both work well.
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...and I guess if folks really think that they made a mistake by using "tractor oil" versus dexron/mercron, i could always have it changed and bring a new pan with a drain to simplify this in the future. It sounded like they considered the two pretty similar or at least both work well.
I have no idea of why the trans fill. Even TYPE A was called for in this time period (DEXRON III is the superscession)

If you decide to use DEXRON, you will have to fully drain the convertor and main case and then partially fill (until convertor fills) and then go to a flush procedure. What comes out has to be entirely clean ATF.

What warranty did they give you?

Hate to hear crap like this.
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12 month warranty.
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The throttle control valve that accompanies the gear selector is what controls the pressure in the transmission. The Borg Warner single range and early dual range transmission designs runs entirely from fluid pressure. The gear selector is just that. The TV rod is everything else. It's better if a person uses a pressure gauge to adjust it by the book but it can be adjusted by trial and error if a person doesn't get carried away. Mark where you started and start adjusting it. A stall test to check the band for slippage is not a bad idea either but the pressure tests will get it working like it should.

Ford Type F oil was developed to insure positive shifts in the Ford/Borg Warner design transmissions with metal on metal clutch plates so they wouldn't slip when the pressure is lowered. It's a balance between a positive but livable shift and a harsh shift. The Type F was developed in the later 60s when the use a whale oil was no longer in vogue. Type A GM fluid from the early 1950s is not available in its original form (no whale oil). Modern Dexron/Mercon fluid is designed to work with clutch packs that have steels with composite plates like all modern transmissions have. The modern fluids have conditioners and other additives that type F doesn't.

If you use Dexron/Mercon just make sure the that you don't let the clutch packs slip for any length of time if they are still bronze & steel type plates or it will ruin them quickly.

Some folks say don't run type F! Drag racers have been running it for years in all sorts of different transmissions to get more positive shifts but that's what you want when you drag race.
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Rotorwrench and others- any idea then if old fashioned tractor ( does that mean transmission or hydraulic?)fluid is ok then? I doubt my plates are slipping currently as I feel firm shifts. I’m ready to have a heart attack. Also makes me wish I had a drain plug.

How on earth do I have any control of the clutch packs slipping if I use dextron for any length of time?? They’re the original plates.

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The dipstick tube connection to the pan IS your drain plug. The Mercury medium case Fordomatics did have a drain plug besides the dipstick tube, located near bottom of the front of the pan, but the medium case pan is not interchangeable with the small-case Fordomatic pan.
If you decide to add a drain plug, be careful to locate it such that it will not interfere with anything just above the pan. It is very close quarters an many spots.
I suggest using a half-coupling and pipe-plug. After drilling the proper size hole, have a pro continuously weld the half-coupling in place and be sure to check for leaks before installing.
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I’m guessing it’s cheaper to buy a new pan with a drain than to pay for a wielder. I’ll do some sleuthing to see if that’s available. Sucking up fluid thru a dipstick is not what I consider to be a drain.

Macs has a couple options but not sure if they’re compatible. I probably just need to go sit and forget about this for a while before I get anymore frustrated by this whole process.
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... I’ll do some sleuthing to see if that’s available. Sucking up fluid thru a dipstick is not what I consider to be a drain. ...
Unscrew the large nut holding the dipstick tube to the pan, that will drain most of it.
Is there a drain plug on the front side of the torque converter? It might be accessible by removing the lower front cover.
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It probably should have ATF in there. They used to use light oil back in the 40s & 50s as a replacement oil for the old GM type 1 and type A. They added the red dye so they could tell if it was a transmission leak or an engine leak.

When I mention a person shouldn't let it slip, I'm just stating that don't drive it if it starts to slip. Do some checks on it to see why it's slipping before driving it again. You don't seem to be having that problem.

What you describe is not slippage. It sounds like the pressure is a bit high if the shift is harsh but there might be something else going on in there with the high shift speed.

Your governor controls the shift speed. I just wonder if there is a leak anywhere inside there that could be causing a late shift. The transfer tubes in the governor set up can leak if they weren't installed correctly. The seal rings can leak too. They should shift into high around 25 mph under normal throttle settings.

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Maybe go by the shop and ask exactly what fluid they used as you will need to know next time it needs service. Once their lubricant usage is known, a better understanding of what, how and why.

Did they give you an estimate for in-chassis overhaul and/or bench overhaul (remove engine-trans)?
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The adjustment procedure pictures can be found in the thread I started here, https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267376. I'm actually installing a tachometer for this exact reason to see at what RPM my fordomatic is shifting from 2nd to 3rd but based on feel I'd say i'm close to the 25mph mark. As you can read from my thread, when the linkage was sticking I was experiencing exactly what you are right now, late (35-40mph) and harder shifts.
Use Brian’s link to make initial adjustments. Start with a baseline and go from there...it’s all conjecture until you get the rod adjusted correctly per factory spec.
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IF one decides to do his own adjustment(s) (especially by the methods being described here) on a trans shop rebuild with warranty, most likely that warranty will be voided.

If it burns, it will be yours.
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IF one decides to do his own adjustment(s) (especially by the methods being described here) on a trans shop rebuild with warranty, most likely that warranty will be voided.

If it burns, it will be yours.
I was referencing the idea that the FORD factory manual should be used to make initial adjustments... all of that information is pretty standard stuff for anyone who knows mid-50s Fords.

Automatic transmissions shift on line pressure, we all know that. That pressure is controlled by the adjustment rod that is fastened to the carburetor linkage. Failing to establish Ford's initial adjustment for that rod means that the OP is rolling the dice on shifting, shift points, etc.

If the shop re-installed the transmission and made the initial adjustments then the car ought to be taken straight back to them and the work performed correctly.

If the OP re-installed the transmission then it is up to him to make sure the linkage is adjusted properly before driving. I would be concerned about any transmission shop that did not advise the owner of such things before handing the transmission back. Back in the day before "plug and play" computer controlled units and before the vacuum modulators the fluid pressure was controlled by mechanical linkage. It is assumed that the shop referenced would know that critical information.

However, we are on the internet, things can be cryptic, questions posed with very little backstory, and so... "could someone please pass the popcorn?"

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I was referencing the idea that the FORD factory manual should be used to make initial adjustments... all of that information is pretty standard stuff for anyone who knows mid-50s Fords.

Automatic transmissions shift on line pressure, we all know that. That pressure is controlled by the adjustment rod that is fastened to the carburetor linkage. Failing to establish Ford's initial adjustment for that rod means that the OP is rolling the dice on shifting, shift points, etc.

If the shop re-installed the transmission and made the initial adjustments then the car ought to be taken straight back to them and the work performed correctly.

If the OP re-installed the transmission then it is up to him to make sure the linkage is adjusted properly before driving. I would be concerned about any transmission shop that did not advise the owner of such things before handing the transmission back. Back in the day before "plug and play" computer controlled units and before the vacuum modulators the fluid pressure was controlled by mechanical linkage. It is assumed that the shop referenced would know that critical information.

However, we are on the internet, things can be cryptic, questions posed with very little backstory, and so... "could someone please pass the popcorn?"

Exactly what I am trying to get across. A shop rebuilt the trans in their shop (in chassis yet). If the trans is disturbed in any manner, the warranty will be void if caught by the shop.

Too many recommendations of attempting TV ADJ by linkage alone. The trans (as with an AOD) MAY BURN.

Even if the fluid is changed, it may void the warranty.

It needs to be returned to the shop for shift problems and once out of warranty can it be fooled with without additional cost..
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Automatic transmissions shift on line pressure, we all know that.

That pressure is controlled by the adjustment rod that is fastened to the carburetor linkage. Failing to establish Ford's initial adjustment for that rod means that the OP is rolling the dice on shifting, shift points, etc.

Only on TV controlled trans. Modulator valves and electronics are a different story. The TV linkage initial adjustment is only to get the linkages close prior to using a pressure gauge.

The 58 BIRD came through with a test port to assure correct line pressure at the end of the assembly line (with new DUAL-RANGE COM). That is how critical the correct line pressure is.
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Well he was certainly old enough i'd say, and transmissions are their bread and butter. Not sure what you mean by overhaul set but they charged labor for a rebuild ( took it apart piece by piece due due the X cross-member underneath). The alternative was pulling the engine out to the tranny out in one piece.

They rebuilt the torque converter, put new seals, some smaller parts (springs?), etc. They said it was in pretty good shape generally, but replaced the rear band which was chewed up/damaged and had to fashion a new one due to parts availability. (I also gave them a MACs catalog just in case but i doubt they saw that either *rolls eyes*).

I don't have the bill in front of me regarding specifics.
the cross member is bolted in this allows removal of trans.not sure how they thought they had to remove piece by piece.the advice on throttle rod adjustment is the way it was (is) done.the old saying B.S.baffles brains I think applies here on their part.good luck
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The OP has a BIRD. No removable cross-member. Usually, the engine/trans is pulled as an assembly. It can be done in chassis, but requires breaking the trans down and removing it in sections. If he got the TC out, thay should have been able to put the main case on the bench.

Anyways, it seems the only out is to take it back and have them attempt to adjust the shift points.

I would ask them the name and classification of the ATF explaining you need that for top-off or repair on a road trip. Don't ask them how and why.
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I agree with previous statements about adjustment. There is a problem if it it shifting into high at 40 MPH. Transmission shops should be equipped to check the pressures and they should be the ones to get it right or lick the calf over again. The type of fluid used is likely the least of the worries.

If they don't have the original Ford transmission publications or equivalent, a person might try to get the info and let them read it so they won't try to tell a person otherwise. I had a long working curve with the later cruise-o-matics that had the vacuum modulator of the mid 60s when I started having problems with them. I purchased all the info but a friend of mine who was taught transmission work as a kid by his father helped me shine a better light on these old units. Even the later Ford AOD transmissions were set up to work like the old cruise-o-matics & FMX transmissions since they used the ravigneaux planetary set ups and a TV cable for pressure control just like the old timers.
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I appreciate all the adjustment tips, but i paid thousands for a shop to do this repair because I frankly don't want to do it myself and I dont have the space or tools. They said to bring it back for adjustments so that's what ill be doing, i was just curious about what other fordamatics do.

I have all the manuals, but i cant make them read them, unfortunately.

I have a crown victoria, actually. They inspected and said they options were to pull the engine or pull it out in parts from underneath. Regardless its done. I just want to make sure that everything is OK. Keep in mind this is a tranny shop, and they rebuild 1950 trannys, so i have to assume that while what they do isn't specd by Ford, it is a generally accepted practice. That being said, i am planning an politely having them switch fluids to Dexron III as I am losing sleep over this crap (once again i dont have the ability or space) and having them adjust the shifting.

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I have a crown victoria, actually. They inspected and said they options were to pull the engine or pull it out in parts from underneath.
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Just tell them what it's doing and they should be able to get an idea of where to start. The governor is in the tail end so it would be the first ting they would get to. There are a number of tests that further narrow the search down.
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I appreciate all the adjustment tips, but i paid thousands for a shop to do this repair because I frankly don't want to do it myself and I dont have the space or tools. They said to bring it back for adjustments so that's what ill be doing, i was just curious about what other fordamatics do.

I have all the manuals, but i cant make them read them, unfortunately.

I have a crown victoria, actually. They inspected and said they options were to pull the engine or pull it out in parts from underneath. Regardless its done. I just want to make sure that everything is OK. Keep in mind this is a tranny shop, and they rebuild 1950 trannys, so i have to assume that while what they do isn't specd by Ford, it is a generally accepted practice. That being said, i am planning an politely having them switch fluids to Dexron III as I am losing sleep over this crap (once again i dont have the ability or space) and having them adjust the shifting.
After reading through all of the posts from beginning to now, I certainly have some empathy for you. From where I sit, it seems like shop is doing you a dis-service here. The fordomatic can be easily removed from the frame of a 55-56 Ford Crown Victoria, no question, unless someone welded up the transmission cross member or did some other modification. Without a lift and only on floor jacks I have removed that heavy cast iron fordomatic countless times before going with a 3 speed OD unit.

I do not understand why a shop would not be willing to look at original manuals for something this old, no matter what the make. Maybe it's because they believe they have done enough mid-50s Fords they know what they're doing and don't need your resources. (then I refer back to the above paragraph...)

But, I refer back to another post you made concerning a warranty and for their plan to have you bring it back. If they are willing to stand by their work then the results of the rebuild are 100% on them. Take it back and let us know what they find. Since they stand behind their work on the transmission, follow their advice on the fluid, adjustments, etc. If it burns up they will be liable. The remaining decision for you will be how much you are willing to let that ride... (no pun intended). The good thing: these 50s Ford automatics were bullet proof and made with the heaviest parts ol' Henry could find.

We feel for you my friend - hope it turns out ok.
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(took it apart piece by piece due due the X cross-member underneath).

The alternative was pulling the engine out to the tranny out in one piece.
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the cross member is bolted in this allows removal of trans.not sure how they thought they had to remove piece by piece
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The OP has a BIRD. No removable cross-member. Usually, the engine/trans is pulled as an assembly. It can be done in chassis, but requires breaking the trans down and removing it in sections. If he got the TC out, they should have been able to put the main case on the bench.
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Convertible?
Where did I get BIRD? Regardless, the FL CONV also has an X-FRAME which is not removable unless using a hot wrench.

The reason a FOM feels sluggish @ take-off is it has a second gear start (similar to a 2nd gear start with a manual trans - you have to slide the clutch). The convertor slips until engine torque will spin the TC fast enough to fully grab. If it bothers you, pull the gear selector into L and then shift to D when you feel it is moving fast enough. This will eliminate WOT start in first gear.

A clutch pack consists of steel plates and friction discs. They re-used the plates but used new discs.

Also, I wouldn't worry about the fluid as no one has any idea of what was used. Once you discover the fluid used should you make that decision.

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... wait a minute ...

1955 CROWN VICTORIA?

Not a convertible?




OK... I'm totally confused ...
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Not a convertible, just a good old fashioned crown. I’m in a slightly better mood now thanks to the passing of time, but you all make a great point to have the shop do everything for warranty purposes. I almost thought about replacing the fluid myself but generally speaking I don’t want to learn about repairs on this car that could really screw it up lol - also I know enough that the torque converter holds fluid too, and would require several fluid replacements or a flushing. Neither which sound fun for me to do!

I was planning the have the same shop detail my engine this winter and pull it, allowing me to ship the power steering unit off for a rebuild. They’ve been very friendly so I need to remember that and try not to come off as an a$#.

I’ll keep you all posted, and thanks!
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Not a convertible, just a good old fashioned crown.
... hmmph .

A HDTP with a CONV frame ...
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When it states used on Sunliner and Victoria frames only, it does make a person scratch their head. It doesn't state Crown Victoria but the Crown Victoria has a heavier built top than the Victoria models. The Victoria was a true open style 2-door hardtop with less roof support. I love those cars. I like them as much as the Crown Victoria. Ford must have felt that they too needed the extra rigidity of the X type frame.
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When it states used on Sunliner and Victoria frames only, it does make a person scratch their head. It doesn't state Crown Victoria but the Crown Victoria has a heavier built top than the Victoria models. The Victoria was a true open style 2-door hardtop with less roof support. I love those cars. I like them as much as the Crown Victoria. Ford must have felt that they too needed the extra rigidity of the X type frame.
The X-Frame was used on the SUNLINER. SEDANS (incl CROWN) and HDTPS used the same Box-Type frame.

I think what may be happening here is mistaking the SEDAN triangulated Box-type frame for the CONV X-Frame. If the CROWN has the Box-Type frame, I don't see the need to dis-assemble the trans before pulling it.

But, am only causing more anxiety for the OP.
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It's hard to see what the illustration is referring to in the post #35. It must be referring to fittings on the frame in the notes there with the asterisk. Plus it's referring to Sunliner in the boxed frame portion of the illustration. That is where my confusion was coming from.

It was mostly only the convertibles that received the X type frames historically. Earlier 49 to 51 Mercs had X-frames with K-members on all the cars but Fords were different so there are exceptions. Only the Ford convertible had them among Fords in those years.

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Just an update. I called to schedule an appt to do the adjustments. Mentioned the biggest issues of delayed shifting and feeling like it was slipping from a stand still ( engine rpms was no longer directly related to the vehicles speed- gassing it and the vehicle would just barely accelerate). I also asked to change from tractor oil to dexron 3. First they said they used dexron 3 after all which is not what they said originally. It was red so at least it was some sort of tranny fluid instead of oil so that was good. My friend was with me originally and also confirmed that they said tractor oil so Iíll chalk that up to misspeaking on their part. Could of saved me the heart attack but oh well.

They did the adjustments and it is working much better now. They also took the converter out and completely dissembled it to to make sure no damage was done from slipping which was unexpected but nice. Whatever they did, itís much quieter now and shifts usually in the 27 to 37 range depending on how much I gas it. Put 200 miles on it this weekend and all seems well . Very happy with the result. And Hopefully Iíll be able to scrub the grease stains out of the carpet
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Hi Delco


This is for you have regained your composure.


LEAVE THE DRAINPAN ALONE.


You drain the oil by dropping the pan.


Your shop just gave it their best shop.


Mechanic labor costs money today.


Then you add knowledgeable about old stuff and that is pushing things a little.


Stop by your shop and ASK why they recommended farm tractor oil.


Maybe they have a darn good reason.


Hydraulic oil is sort of all the same.In a way.Auto type probably has some specialized features to it.Recover from overheating.Corrosion resistance. Who knows?



List your 'symptoms' and take it back to them and see what they do.


Little much to expect them to know the adjustment procedure by heart when the last one they did was probably 20 years ago.


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Just an update. I called to schedule an appt to do the adjustments. Mentioned the biggest issues of delayed shifting and feeling like it was slipping from a stand still ( engine rpms was no longer directly related to the vehicles speed- gassing it and the vehicle would just barely accelerate).

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They did the adjustments and it is working much better now. They also took the converter out and completely dissembled it to to make sure no damage was done from slipping which was unexpected but nice. Whatever they did, itís much quieter now and shifts usually in the 27 to 37 range depending on how much I gas it. Put 200 miles on it this weekend and all seems well . Very happy with the result. And Hopefully Iíll be able to scrub the grease stains out of the carpet
That's great!. Seems they stand behind their work.

As for the fluid, they should be able to give you the exact specs/vendor as a shop draws it out of drums. If they give you that, it may give you peace of mind. After all, you got two different descriptions of what went in it.
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