Unusual fuel pump in 33 model B

[Doctor's Ford]

Hi Barners. Just began redoing my 33 model B engine. I have been intrigued by the fuel pump mounted on my car. You can see that the fuel lines are inverted (the one going to the carb originates from the front of the pump). I have removed the pump and found the following casting: "Type U - Made in England". Notice there is a lever underneath that can be used to pump manually. Just in case it matters, this is a Right hand drive car originally built in the US and exported to South America.
Is this a Ford pump?
Manuel

[FlatheadTed]

It is a Ford pump common on English Ford 8 & 10

[ken ct]

I have a normal "B" pump if you need one by "AC". I can also rebuild that one if you prefer that one. ken ct. PM

[Doctor's Ford]

Any one knows what "Type U" means? and the proper use of the lever under the pump? Manuel

[juke joint johnny]

Hi Doctor
Looks like an English Model B pump to me . What make is that Carb that you have on the engine ? Looks like a Model A carb but I can't recognise it.
That is a Model A Exhaust manifold you have there as well, The B ones I have slope back towards the firewall .
Can you post a photo of the water pump ? We only seem to have the early B pump in the UK. Very few model 40's here.

Looks a nice project Good luck with it and keep us posted on your progress !!!

John Cochran

[juke joint johnny]

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Manuel That lever is for priming the pump , Very useful if you have a dead battery and need to use the crank to start the engine. They are common on the older British engines .

John

[Bruce Lancaster]

...and also on English built flathead V-8's, civilian and military. Good feature in my opinion!

[jim1932]

Wow. I was going to joke it was brit or aussie. Woulda been right

[DavidG]

John,

That's likely the correct exhaust manifold for Manuel's car and it is not a Model A manifold even though it looks a lot like one. Its part number is 46-9430 and was used on '33-'34 four cylinder passenger cars and commercial vehicles. The Model B exhaust manifold that you are referring to (B-9430) was used only on '32 passenger cars and commercial vehicles and on '32-'34 four-cylinder big trucks.

[Doctor's Ford]

Thanks all for your comments. I can't tell for sure about the exhaust manifold but I include a recent picture just after disassembly of the engine. The intake is also shown. John: you asked for a picture of the water pump. The ones I took last week show the complete pump but perhaps is not what you wanted to see. The carb is some type of old replacement likely model A. The brand is KTK and I suspect is from Argentina. They used to produce many replacement parts for cars of that era.
Manuel

[columbiA]

I had a 33 B coupe for some 15 years & it had the model A ex manifold on it & the exhaust pipe interfered with the front brake rod.I used the 45* manifold & made up a simple pipe to hook up to the muffler.Your water pump is the correct one with the short hsg to allow for the rear slope of the rad.The water pump kit for an A will work if you reuse the old impeller & shorten the A shaft.Drill the impeller & shaft for a 3/32" roll pin to make sure the impeller doesnt come loose & have the fan pull itself into the rad.

[DavidG]

Manuel,

A photo of the other side of the exhaust manifold will be necessary to determine if it is a Model A manifold or a '33'-'34 manifold (unless you can find a part number cast into it).

[1952henry]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

...and also on English built flathead V-8's, civilian and military. Good feature in my opinion!

The GPW and MB jeeps from WW2 had this feature as well.

[juke joint johnny]

David G I may well stand corrected on that Manifold. !!! So what are the differences? It doesn't look to have the re in forced corner that the late Model A one's have and maybe a little larger Diameter between 3+4 cylinder. Any thing else ?
I will have to have a look at my Manifold collection .

Manuel That Carb is one for the collectors I haven't seen that make before.
Thanks for posting the pictures
I haven't seen the Short B pump before as very few of the 33-34 Body style were sold in the UK . Ford Dagenham were still selling the B sedan then .
All of the B engines I have found in the UK were fitted with the 32 style water pump even the Diamond block WW11 ones.
I imagine there are a few Oddball Variations in the Foreign Factories around the World
Didn't some of the European 32's have a different brake system to the USA one.

Just when you think you know what's going on Ford throws a Curve ball at you !!!

John Cochran

[Doctor's Ford]

I will add a couple of more pictures of the manifold tomorrow and will look for a casting number. Learning a ton thanks to you barners! Manuel

[DavidG]

John,

I'm away from my car stuff at present and in any event, I don't have a Model A manifold for comparison purposes. As was inferred earlier in one of the other posts, I believe that there is a difference in the angle of the outlet relative to the side of the engine block. As you will note in the photo below, there is increased clearance in the area of where the outlet curves downward, presumably to improve access to the vacuum fitting on the back of the intake manifold. If you zoom in the photo, you will note the clearly defined part number at the rear of the manifold.

[Bruce Lancaster]

I don't think England ever needed the short water pump...it was necessary on all versions of '33-4 cars and trucks because of the slanted radiator. In England, they kept making an AA based hybrid for quite a while, AA trucks with B engines and eventuallt 1934 full floater BB axle, with vertical radiator. I think later uses of the B in trucks there were in GB only Thames trucks, which presumably had vertical radiators which could accommodate the B. The '33 short pump (which also required a different crank pulley and side cover to move the belt aft) was mechanically the same as '32, but with drastically squashed down casting and shorter shaft.

[Byron Warwick]

That is a sweet looking flatty, Byron.

[Bob C]

David, I looked in the 1937 parts book and it shows 46-9430 for A, BB, 40, and 46 1928-34.
From that I would assume it has the same shape as the A manifold, yes, no
Love this site,learn something every day.

Bob

[juke joint johnny]

David !!! That's a real nice B engine you have there!!! Want to see the pictures of your Car when it's done.
I see those numbers on your manifold , I will have to look at all of mine . from what Bob C. has found out it looks like the A manifold was superceded by the later type .
I don't suppose the down pipe angle made much difference on the Model A anyway .
John Cochran