Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-16-2019, 08:15 AM   #1
Forddan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Westford, MA
Posts: 162
Default Carburetor question

Hi

I will start saying I am new on model A so my knowledge is more than basic. I will appreciate if I can get some guide on this issue.

The carburetor gasket and air filter were changed a couple of weeks ago. After that I started to have some engine stalling at traffic lights. Yesterday I drove 30 miles to a club event (60 miles round trip). Going to the event all was fine. At the return I have an engine stall at a traffic light and arriving home at a soft street slop (front of the car up in the slop).

I decided to try to adjust the idle. Followed what technical books said.

I was not being successful at all, with black smoke out of the exhaust. Then suddenly I found a sweet spot where the car was idling nice when I had the dash control 1/4 open. Drove to the gas station. Filled the tank. I asked the gas station guy to look the exhaust when I accelerate. He said that a small amount of black smoke where still produced.

Then suddenly the car started to shake, front to back, like if the engine was stopping/starting. But I can only feel the shaking. Stopped and I saw the carburetor leaking gas, drop after drop significantly faster. Put the firextinguisher beside me and drove back home.

Any idea / suggestions of what I did incorrectly?

Thanks!
Daniel

Last edited by Forddan; 06-16-2019 at 08:20 AM.
Forddan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 08:34 AM   #2
jhowes
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: upstate NY near Mass border
Posts: 771
Default Re: Carburetor question

My answer to a question like that is to remove the carburetor and rebuild. Either you do it or have a guy that knows Model A's do it for you. Someone in your club must know someone that can rebuild it. Good luck. Jack
jhowes is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 06-16-2019, 11:23 AM   #3
Purdy Swoft
Senior Member
 
Purdy Swoft's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 7,512
Default Re: Carburetor question

I would remove the float valve assembly and remove any trash that could prevent the needle from setting in the float valve seat . As always , I replace the float valve gasket any time that the float valve is removed and replaced . Check the float for leaks . Shake the float and feel for gas that could be inside the float . The float setting is suppose to be 5/8 . I usually set my float so as to lower the fuel in the bowl of the carburetor a small amount more to prevent stalling when braking or coming to a quick stop .
Purdy Swoft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 11:30 AM   #4
Mulletwagon
Senior Member
 
Mulletwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Florida Panhandle
Posts: 261
Default Re: Carburetor question

Probably a leaky inlet valve - very common. Do a little homework and rebuild the carb. They are very simple and normally require only a new inlet valve and a few gaskets to redo. Be sure to blow out all the passages, especially the idle circuit, with carb cleaner. No shortage of advice if you need it. Good Luck.

Last edited by Mulletwagon; 06-16-2019 at 11:41 AM.
Mulletwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 11:36 AM   #5
Joe K
Senior Member
 
Joe K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cow Hampshire
Posts: 3,407
Default Re: Carburetor question

To check that level function you'll need to make a specialized tool - or have a REAL steady hand as you hold a cup under the float and valve with the lower carburetor half removed.

The usual tool uses a short length of tubing and a connection to the lower drain plug. I've done this with a longer tube and holding the tube up to the side of the carburetor for better eyeball. (liquid seeks its own level irrespective of the tube.)

One video addresses the "mechanics" of the 5/8". He is correct in generalities but his 5/8 measure is to the float and not the actual level. Might work for you as it has worked for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRZCws8EeQ

Our Tom Endy has addressed the issue more forwardly - and perhaps more accurately using the "auxiliary cup" method. http://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-conte...oat-Valves.pdf

Hope this helps. It actually sounds like a mere cleaning might work alone - but while you're in there you might as well...

The story of the Model A.


Joe K
__________________
Shudda kept the horse.
Joe K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 11:44 AM   #6
Ernie Vitucci
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Posts: 285
Default Re: Carburetor question

Good Morning all...Since our Model 'A's have a hand throttle, I always have my hand on it when I come to a light or a stop sign. I rarely have to advance the hand throttle to keep the engine running...but once in a while with a quick stop! Usually, I just advance the throttle for a couple of seconds and then put it back up. If the problem happens with any regularity, then a clean out or rebuild of the carburetor is definitely required. Ernie in Arizona
Ernie Vitucci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 02:49 PM   #7
30 Closed Cab PU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,613
Default Re: Carburetor question

If it happens again, or is continuing to happen, once in a while the float valve may not seat properly causing gas to overflow out through the air intake. Sometimes tapping the float bowl with a hammer or wrench is enough to get the float valve to seat.


If tapping does not stop the leak, or it happens frequently, then additional troubleshooting above is needed.


Until you resolve this issue, do not run with the air filter on. Getting gas in the air filter is not a good thing.
30 Closed Cab PU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 04:02 PM   #8
Patrick L.
Senior Member
 
Patrick L.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Upstate NY and western Florida
Posts: 5,248
Default Re: Carburetor question

Sounds like maybe 2 issues. Like Purdy mentioned, lowering the fuel level just tad [ 1/16"] to help with the stall upon stopping.
While apart checking things, the float should be checked for fuel infiltration as mentioned, passages blown clear and float valve checked or replaced. Its a very simple carburetor.
Patrick L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 04:57 PM   #9
160B
Senior Member
 
160B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 1,399
Default Re: Carburetor question

What kind of air filter are you using. If it is a paper pleated, take it off and throw it away. The commercial paper filters sold by the Model A vendors are not adequately sized for an adequate air flow for the Model A ford engine.

http://www.model-a.org/filtering_air_into_carb.html

The calculation on the web site are at an engine running 2800 rpm, and the conclusion is you can use any one of three filters, they conclude any of the three filters below are adequately sized.
◦K&N offers several filters that can be used with the Air Maze housing.
◾Part # E-3050 is 3.5 inches long.
◾Part # E-9257 is 5.5 inches long.
◾Part # E-2040 is 6.625 inches long.
But the site make this recommendation.
◦To provide some margin for the filter getting dirty, before you get around to cleaning it, I would recommend the 5.5 inch long length. I know it is an over kill, but I am currently using the 6.625 inch long one to allow for driving on dusty gravel roads and to extend my time between filter cleaning / re-oiling cycles.


I agree that if you put an air filter on a vehicle that is not rated at the CFM per minute of air flow that the engine requires to run at performance RPM you will have an engine that runs rich and fouls plugs. The paper filters that are offered by some vendors to fit the air maze filter housing do not have any CFM rating, they just happen to be the right size, and they will restrict air flow and result in fouled spark plugs!!
__________________
1931 160B & 1931 68B

If you don't have time to do it right the 1st time, how do you have time to do it the 2nd time?
160B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2019, 06:32 PM   #10
Forddan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Westford, MA
Posts: 162
Default Re: Carburetor question

Wow... you all are fantastic. Thank you for all the info. A lot to learn.

One of my club members offered to do a full service to the carburetor. I took it out following the mechanics book indication and tomorrow will be in his hands. When ready he offered to bring it home to install it and regulate it.

I have other hobbies, but you Model A fans are such nice persons. I always wanted an antique. At 61 I was able to get my model A.

I will never regret my decision. The A's are great easy cars to maintain and you find everything. BUT, THE MOST IMPORTANT......The A's people !!! That is what keep a hobby alive.

As soon as my club friend tell me what he found and did, I will post back.

Cheers !!
Daniel

Ah... and I will trash the paper air filter the vendor sold me. Previously had a metallic one that I cleaned and kept just in case.

Last edited by Forddan; 06-16-2019 at 06:44 PM.
Forddan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2019, 02:58 PM   #11
Forddan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Westford, MA
Posts: 162
Default Re: Carburetor question

The club member that offered to check my carburetor sent this :

I have taken the carburetor apart and have the following observations:

The most obvious item I found was a missing gasket under the float valve. This is important and may have been the root cause of the leaking. Other items checked and fixed in no important order are the following:

Throttle shaft binding (repaired)

Idle Air screw not closing off air (replaced with one of mine)

All gaskets under the jets and bowl gasket replaced with new ones

The GAV needle and housing was binding a little (repaired)

Float was not set perfect and float was binding in float hinge (repaired and reset float) Also, tapped and cleaned threads

Cap jet was loose (repaired)

Gas inlet seat (where fuel line comes in) needed to be cleaned with Dremel stone (repaired), tapped and cleaned threads

Inspected all jets to make sure they were open and without any rust clogging

Cleaned secondary well thread area (had rust inside)

Inspected fuel passages with high intensity light to check for blockages (found nothing)



On top of all that, he will come to install it and check all is doing well.

Incredible nice guy !!!
Forddan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:31 AM.