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Old 08-04-2021, 03:45 PM   #1
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Default How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

This is a video on how to remove ethanol from your gasoline. Very simple process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mLbuUSt-0
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Old 08-04-2021, 04:05 PM   #2
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Very well presented! Such a simple solution! Thanks for sharing this.
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Old 08-04-2021, 04:59 PM   #3
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Very interesting!
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Old 08-04-2021, 05:16 PM   #4
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That's a very simple solution to removing the ethanol. Non-ethanol gas is nearly a dollar a gallon more expensive. That's about $10 a tank on a model A
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Old 08-04-2021, 06:19 PM   #5
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Yes, if you remove the crappy ethanol from 10% ethanol gasoline, that is only 30 to 35 cents you loose at $3.00 to $3.50 per gallon for gasohol if you remove just the 10% alcohol they put in it. Much cheaper, as ETAModel noted above with a little labor doing it. I do it for my chainsaw, weed-whip and model A's.
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Old 08-04-2021, 06:27 PM   #6
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If you remove the ethanol from 87 octane pump gas you wind up with 76-78 octane.Not important in a Model A though,67 octane was good gas in the A days.Ethanol is not added to regular gas,it is added to gas refined to a lower octane.I've hauled some gas,I found that out at the tank farm years ago.
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Old 08-04-2021, 08:56 PM   #7
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That's a very simple solution to removing the ethanol. Non-ethanol gas is nearly a dollar a gallon more expensive. That's about $10 a tank on a model A
Keep in mind, in some locations ethanol is a hazardous chemical and needs to be disposed of property. Even in a diluted state.

Id rather pay the extra $1 per gallon to directly fill my car. I dont want to haul the gas cans to be filled, and then try to remove the ethanol from 10 gallons, Id need more containers to transfer the fuel into, add water, drain the water mix, and then put the gas back into the gas can. Way too much hassle to save $10!
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Old 08-04-2021, 09:01 PM   #8
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If you remove the ethanol from 87 octane pump gas you wind up with 76-78 octane.Not important in a Model A though,67 octane was good gas in the A days.Ethanol is not added to regular gas,it is added to gas refined to a lower octane.I've hauled some gas,I found that out at the tank farm years ago.
The end product would be tough on a chain saw that wants high octane in the mix! The model A will run on about anything that will burn.
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Old 08-04-2021, 09:17 PM   #9
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There is a small equipment dealer about 10 miles from me that got rabid about ethanol.He preached the use of av gas to his customers.One brand of chainsaws that he sold starting burning pistons.After 2 or 3 warranty claims the rep came out to see what was going on,those saws were not known for piston problems.It was the av gas doing it.The saws had been engineered to run on 87,with a minimum of 85.They paid a couple of the claims,but told him he was on the hook for the rest.
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Old 08-04-2021, 09:22 PM   #10
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My chainsaw asks for premium gas. I use non ethanol. it does run on regular but I use it lightly cleaning around the place. I don't know the octane of avgas.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:32 PM   #11
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Aviation gas is 100LL, LL stands for "Low lead". It still has lead. Aviation octane is measured differently. It's also dyed blue.
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Old 08-04-2021, 11:01 PM   #12
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Just following the logic here, start with the highest octane gas available - and around here it's 92 buy has ethanol added to it - and you would end up with a non ethanol
fuel around 82 octane +/- . Since there is no straight non ethanol fuel available
for ux around here, it might be worth looking into?
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Keep in mind, in some locations ethanol is a hazardous chemical and needs to be disposed of property. Even in a diluted state.

Id rather pay the extra $1 per gallon to directly fill my car. I dont want to haul the gas cans to be filled, and then try to remove the ethanol from 10 gallons, Id need more containers to transfer the fuel into, add water, drain the water mix, and then put the gas back into the gas can. Way too much hassle to save $10!
Ethanol is grain alcohol, aka everclear. Around here pouring it on the ground is called alcohol abuse. LOL.
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:52 AM   #14
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

Note that he added water to his "petrol", not ethanol. For a gasoline/ethanol mixture, there is no separation. Only if this mix is contaminated with water will it separate; this is known as Phase Separation.

https://www.veeder.com/us/blog/phase...water%20float.
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I have a 300 gallon above ground tank and the Co-op delivers no ethanol gas for about 75 cents a gallon more than regular. We have a number of Honda powered irrigation pumps along with the usual number of small engines that you’d find on a large property. I have better ways to spend my time than taking ethanol out of gas.
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That's a very simple solution to removing the ethanol. Non-ethanol gas is nearly a dollar a gallon more expensive. That's about $10 a tank on a model A
I watched this video when it first came out a few weeks or so ago. My question then after watching is the same as now. How do we know what he is saying is factual?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't true because I don't know, -but it definitely would seem as simple as this trick is to do, that by now everyone would have known about it.
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Old 08-05-2021, 04:27 PM   #17
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

This has been around for a long time. It has been said that using this method also removes some of the important additives from the gas.

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Old 08-05-2021, 09:36 PM   #18
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

In regards to the octane rating of fuels the lower the octane the better for running an A. The high octane fuels are actually more difficult to ignite and burn. The lower octane will burn easier and give more power.

High octane fuels are for high compression engines that tend to pre ignite fuels due to cylinder pressure. You will not get more performance or better fuel mileage in an A by using them.
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Old 08-06-2021, 06:59 AM   #19
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Luckily we can still get non ethanol here!
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Old 08-06-2021, 12:07 PM   #20
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

ethyl is the good stuff to drink. i read that the contents of hand sanitizer is 80 percent ethyl plus h2o2 and glycerin. it would be a good gargle. or just add an olive for a 160 proof martini. they used to go to great length to denature it but now with a good still you could make a fortune.
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i read that the contents of hand sanitizer is 80 percent ethyl plus h2o2 and glycerin.
Two chemists walked into a bar. The first one said, "I'll have a glass of H2O." The second one said, "I'll have a glass of H2O too." The second chemist died.
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Interesting! But?
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Don't drink hand sanitizer.

The boys in my neck of the woods distill the moon shine three times. That brings it up to about 160 proof and removes most of the bad taste. The three X's on a jug mean that it has been distilled three times.

It is not possible to make or store 200 proof moon shine because as soon as you open the jug the water in the air will get absorbed by the alcohol, which is very hygroscopic. At least not possible for the home distillery.

I actually don't like the taste of moon shine. I would rather have a nice aged rum over ice.

I can see where someone could come up with a chemical device for removing the ethanol from gasoline. Pour 10 gallons in the top and out comes 9 gallons of non ethanol at the bottom. All done automatically. A mixer to add the water at the top and a settling vessel with a float to control the separation.
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

The separation process does work as shown. I used to test our purchased pure gas that way in a small quantity. We usually bough 800 gallons or so at a time for equipment.
I would have safety concerns in separating any bulk quantity. Also don’t really see the economy in such.
I do not know the octane rating thereafter. Pure gas is available in our area
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[QUOTE=1crosscut;2043171]In regards to the octane rating of fuels the lower the octane the better for running an A. The high octane fuels are actually more difficult to ignite and burn. The lower octane will burn easier and give more power. /QUOTE]
Really?? I've not heard that before... any suppoorting evidence for this?
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The high octane fuels are actually more difficult to ignite and burn.
Excuse please. That is not quite right. It is true that, because of the additives, high-octane theoretically ignites slightly worse than pure gasoline. But ignition accelerators are added to the fuel to compensate for this. In practical driving, however, this is not noticeable.
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Old 08-10-2021, 05:26 AM   #27
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Default Re: How to remove ethanol from gasoline.

A question from a newbie to the A's: what exactly is the problem with the addition of alcohol to gasoline? What breaks as a consequence of it, and what is the fix?

Having some experience with motorbikes from the 70's there have been a few problems, but usually nowhere near as many as there have been fears of problems And often fairly simple fixes were available.
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Aviation gas is 100LL, LL stands for "Low lead". It still has lead. Aviation octane is measured differently. It's also dyed blue.

There is a gas station located near me that sells 110 octane leaded racing gas for the drag strip boys. I buy a small quantity and mix it with the regular non-alcohol gas for my Harley-Davidson's. Definitely adds a little extra "umph" to the Milwaukee marvels.


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