03-11-2021, 02:58 PM | #1 |
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Had the 40 running yesterday. Went out today to go for a ride (high 60's here and beautiful) Got a partial revolution. Then nothing. I don't believe the Bendix is jammed. Ck'd batt, it is 6.3 volts. Tried the button on the f/wall mounted solenoid. Again nothing. Didn't have time to t/shoot further.
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03-11-2021, 03:02 PM | #2 |
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Don't rule out a stuck Bendix. Put the trans in high gear and rock it back and forth. Hopefully that's the problem and not something more serious.
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03-11-2021, 03:05 PM | #3 |
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If you have enough room and can get it moving you could try a roll start. If it starts let it run a while then cut it off and try with the starter again. In my experience the symptoms you are having are usually from a corroded or loose connection in the starting circuit somewhere.
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03-11-2021, 03:08 PM | #4 |
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I agree with 51504bat above.
Also, at the battery, clean up the battery cable connections...
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If tat doesnt work , pull the plugs and try cranking .
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Put your head lights on then once again use the push button under the solenoid. If the head lights dim that would be an indication the Bendix is bound up into the ring gear. Or there's a loose battery cable someplace. A bound up starter some times can be unlocked by rocking the car while its in gear but this takes a lot of physical force. Ronnieroadster
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Hopefully not water in the cylinder like me....
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No help from me... But I can relate.
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03-11-2021, 11:56 PM | #9 |
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Clean the battery connections and make sure they are tight, especially if this is first or second drive after sitting all winter. Moisture from the air seeps in and corrosion happens. Been there many times with vehicles and machinery that doesn't get used regularly. Or the battery just reached the end of the line. Good luck.
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All the batt connections are good/tight. Will try to get the wife to help "rock" it. Went thru the starter last year (long story).
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Someone mentioned the hydrolock, try pulling the plugs and spinning it if all else fails.
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Wife and I rocked it back and forth as well as we couuld.
Still have 6.3 volts at the batt and to the sol. Everything else id dead, no lights, elec fuel pump, etc. Any new thoughts?? Paul in CT |
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Has to be dead battery or bad connections.
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Did you actually remove and clean the battery cables and battery posts?
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Did you let the smoke out? Check out the wiring diagram for the model of 1940 you have on Mac Van Pelt's website and try checking the locations from the battery for power. It looks like the horns are on a different path from the solenoid than all the other electrics on the vehicle. Do the horns still work?
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If you can check the battery voltage while you try to crank it, or just turn on the headlights, I bet the battery drops to zero. If the battery voltage stays up, then has to be a bad connection.
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The ground side of the circuit is just as important as the "Hot" side. Poor ground is like a dead battery. How old is the battery?
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A few years ago I took my dad's Model a to get a sticker and they told me to come back the next day. the next day the car would not start. Battery completely went in the course of 24 hours. It happens.
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as others have suggested a load test on battery
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Battery is a year old. Connections clean and tight. Again no lights, fuel pump, etc.
Will try horn today. The wiring diagram shows a "circuit breaker" in the circuit (obviously ). Does it "reset" or is it a one time deal. Thanks for the help/suggestions so far. Paul in CT As I previously stated it ran perfect in the garage the day before after sitting since last Nov. 3/19 update, found corrosion on the Neg batt cable at the solenoid as V8COOPMAN said I would. I'm 76 and a stubborn Swede who wears tri-focals. It's alive now. Last edited by 1931 flamingo; 03-19-2021 at 08:51 PM. Reason: update |
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If you have an old braided type ground strap they can get corroded and cause problems. Even though the ends may be clean at the battery they can still cause a "no start" issue.
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Start with the basics, put 6 volts directly to starter and see what happens .
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Try different battery cables.
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Paul....This is a pretty simple circuit to troubleshoot. And you have one BIG clue already going for you......EVERYTHING is dead! Likely, you have one bad connection that needs cleaning/tightening. I take it that you have a volt meter, as you said you verified 6.3v at the battery. So, lets do a methodical troubleshoot using your volt meter. Put your meter on the "DC Volts" range. I'm assuming that you are still POS Ground. 1st.....Place POS meter probe on the HEAD next to where it grounds on the engine head bolt (or wherever the ground is connected). Place the NEG probe on the big nut on the solenoid that the NEG battery cable connects to. Your meter should read about 6v. IF it DOES NOT read 6v (and I'd be surprised if it does), we are very close to finding the problem. IF your meter does NOT read the full 6v during that check, there are only FOUR connections that could cause that problem. I would first clean and tighten the two BATTERY connections, as they are the easiest to R&R. After doing those two battery connections, re-check the original check with voltmeter to determine whether you now have a 6v reading. IF you STILL do not have 6v reading, I would first disconnect the POS battery cable from the battery. Then, disconnect the NEG battery cable from the SOLENOID post. This is likely the bad/corroded/dirty connection. Clean and wire-brush ALL the wire connectors and the threaded solenoid post. THIS IS THE CONNECTION where the lights, ignition, starter button, horn get their power. Re-connect the wires that you removed and cleaned on that threaded post. Re-connect the NEG battery cable. Now, re-test your very first test with the meter. IF you now have 6v, your problem is solved. IF you still read less than 6v (or even zero volts), the only suspect point left is the GROUND connection on the engine for the POS battery cable. R&R that connection. Clean/brush as necessary. Re-connect, and measure with meter from that GROUND point to the NEG post on battery. You should see 6v. If so, your problem is solved. IF you still see any reading much below 6v, then you need to find a better boy than me! But I have faith!! DD ......... Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 03-13-2021 at 04:51 PM. |
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Thank you for the detailed instructions. Will do ! ! Thank you to all the other contributors to my problem. What's baffling to me is it ran the day before this happened............ Paul in CT |
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Not that unusual. When something becomes borderline, it can become like an on/off switch. I it just "good" enough one day and not the next. Don't let that cloud your trouble shooting, step-by-step is the way to go.
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Thanks JSeery.
Too cold today, tomorrow looks the same. Will run the checks as soon as I can get out there again. Paul in CT |
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