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03-14-2019, 10:42 PM | #21 | |
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I use the red Lucas thick stuff.
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03-15-2019, 08:01 AM | #22 | |
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The shower curtain route is an exact copy of an original. This allows me to do the job at home, not have to bring it to a garage, do it for free. I have loaned out my "shower curtain" to 4 others and they are happy with the results. After I do the alignment I then can install the tool in my bathroom and have shower. This is truly a dual purpose, multi-functional tool. |
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03-15-2019, 08:36 AM | #23 |
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Re: Toe-in Alignment tool
https://wheel-a-matic.com/cars-light...-gauge-inches/
Check around online as prices vary dramaticaly. Bought a NOS on Ebay for $30. |
03-15-2019, 10:02 AM | #24 |
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Re: Toe-in Alignment tool
I'd be remiss not to mention this excellent post from 2014:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showp...3&postcount=16 Measuring your toe-in is one thing, but then how do you know how much to rotate the tie rod? This post gives the exact math to calculate it. I used it last weekend when I did my toe-in and the results came out perfectly. For the record, I measured toe-in by jacking up the front end, marking horizontally across each tire with chalk, and then measuring the distance for that point at a consistent height in the front and the back. To improve accuracy, I measured the distance between 3 points at the edges of the tread grooves on each tire and then averaged the results. |
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03-16-2019, 08:35 AM | #26 |
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03-16-2019, 11:00 AM | #27 |
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I fear I did overkill on this toe in thing, but, it is what it is! I got some angle iron from my junk pile and some wood. I then cut the angle iron in two pieces that when held up next to my model a tires, there was an inch sticking out front and back. Next, I cut two pieces of wood, and formed the wood to fit just inside the rim lip! I then bolted the wood in line with the edge of the angle iron and screwed the wood to the angle iron! I then cut another hunk of angle to fit on the inside of the Wheel and drilled holes in both the outside piece with the wood attached and took some thread stock and mounted two sets of these on each front wheel. Using a level, got both mounted to be perfectly level and at the same height. Then using a ruler, I did my toe in measure and adjustment! The order of things, is adjust wheel bearings, then do toe in, and sadly with my homemade arrangement, since you should do toe in averaging because wheels are not true, I had to reclamp and level and measure about 3 times! But when done, no more shimmy!
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03-16-2019, 06:11 PM | #28 | |
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A example would be you have 7 and 1/2 to start. You roll the car and end up with 7 and 5/8. Now you turn the tie rod back to 7 and 9/16. |
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03-20-2019, 08:08 PM | #29 |
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Re: Toe-in Alignment tool
Here are original instructions for the Duby Toe In gage.
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03-20-2019, 08:13 PM | #30 |
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I recommend when using the Duby gage, try doing it on at least 2 different places on tires just to confirm your results.
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03-20-2019, 10:25 PM | #31 |
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Re: Toe-in Alignment tool
I like the four Texaco oil can idea... which brings up the question, how high off the ground do you measure the 1/16 inch or whatever the measure should be? Higher up will give a larger measure until you get to the wheel center line. In other words how long are those chains on the commercial tool?
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03-21-2019, 03:05 PM | #32 |
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JoeCB, you don't raise the front end up off the ground to do this alignment procedure. The chains on the tool are a reference as to how high off the ground the tool is placed on the tire. Place the tool on the tire so the chains just touch the ground. Zero the measurement on the tool. Then roll the car forward until the chains again are just touching the ground. Look at the gauge measurement on the tool. It will tell you the amount of toe-in or toe-out your car has.
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03-21-2019, 04:43 PM | #33 |
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My question too: How long must the chains be?
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03-21-2019, 05:27 PM | #34 |
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I don't have a tool to look at, but my best estimate would be 10 inches.
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03-21-2019, 07:36 PM | #35 |
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Yes, that is what I'm looking for … the length of the chains? Because the height off the ground of the tool ( not the car) will change the measured toe in. If one is to set toe in to a specification then you have to know how high (off the ground) to take the measurement.
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03-22-2019, 07:14 AM | #36 |
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I'll measure my chains and report back later today...
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03-22-2019, 08:20 AM | #37 |
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My curtain rod chains are 6 inches. I read somewhere it should be 6 inches.
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03-22-2019, 03:33 PM | #38 |
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The chains cannot be longer than the height of the front wishbone arms from the floor. Otherwise the wishbone will knock the trammel off the tyres as you roll the car forward and the trammel rises up to meet the wishbone. 6 inches sounds about right. It is defined in the Ford service bulletins, where the toe in figure is specified as being measured well below hub height by Ford.
I am not in a place where I can look it up tight now. Somewhere on the Barn recently the Ford service method was reproduced. SAJ in NZ |
03-22-2019, 04:50 PM | #39 |
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My Duby Gauge has chains that are 7 1/2" long.
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03-22-2019, 08:09 PM | #40 |
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Well this conversation explains a lot... Thanks all. Not knowing the correct procedure I had always checked my toe-in at hub level using the taught string 4 - wheel alignment procedure. Measuring that high off the ground I will be getting way less toe- in than the spec. Might help explain tendency to wander.
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