The Ford Barn

V8COOPMAN · 03-03-2018, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TomT/Williamsburg

Well, looking at my avatar all I can say is, "I know nut TINK!" Lol!

Sgt. Schultz? DD

Lanny · 03-03-2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jseery

see post #5

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"bingo"

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cas3 · 03-03-2018, 11:34 PM

damn kids and them jalopys

Henry Floored · 03-05-2018, 01:06 PM

I know my name is mud here on the Barn because of the Oldsmobile thread, but I think (and this is just my opinion so if you're hyper-sensitive take it with a grain of salt) a person can go to any number of places to learn how to defile an early Ford.

I thought the Ford Barn was a safe zone from that so maybe it's me that's hyper-sensitive, but for heavens sake how else could one describe it?

I love traditional hot rods just as much as the next guy at the same time I take an about face if someone had to raid the Gm and Chrysler or anybody's but Ford's parts bins to make their cars go.

Again there is about a 9 to 1 ratio all over the Internet of guys that are finely in tune with the de-Fording process that so many "not rodders" love.

If this isn't the place to learn and share about doing it the "Ford" way then I too will move along (probably to the delight of more than a few guys on here).

JSeery · 03-05-2018, 02:16 PM

Can't let it go can you. Maybe if you post the same thing 20 more times it will work! I'm as Ford as you can get. Drive nothing but Fords, wear Ford logo clothing most of the time, work on nothing but Fords. I had a SBC in a 33 Plymouth B/A for a year in the mid 60s, that's it, was replaced the next season with a SBF. I don't think you understood the Olds thread at all. It was about what was going on in the 50s and someone asking some questions about that era for a specific purpose. The barn is Ford flathead specific with occasional tangents into other areas. It is odd that you seem hell bent on continuing this.

IndianapolisRacer · 03-05-2018, 02:27 PM

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If the thread annoyed you why did you continue to post nonsense , you didn't have to read it all you did was end a conversation that many seemed to enjoy and for what ?

blucar · 03-05-2018, 03:05 PM

In some respects I am a real anomaly in the old car world. I started out a certified Hot Rodder in my early teens. My '36 Ford, when I bought it in September '52, was not my first car by a long sight. I had at least five GM cars from '38 to '42 before the '36. I bought my first car, a '40 Chevy coupe when I was 14, I paid $800. cash for it.
I did a lot customizing to the first five cars, fender skirts, twice pipes, spotlights, sun visor, flipper disk hub caps, etc., as was the style in the late '40's , early '50's. And yes, I made some improvements to the engine's. One of my '38 Chevy's was the most notable, I put a GMC 270 CID with improved carburetion, headers, and a Mallory ignition in the car. Fast was an under statement.
The '38 was not a hot rod, it was more of a performance custom, with warm air and sweet music.
In my mind a Hot Rod is a car that is fenderless, a Model A, '32 or '33-34., I have never owned a Hot Rod, nor will I. Of course a Hot Rod can also be a car with no hood and a monster, blown hemi sticking above the cowl..
In 1954 I got tired of the tail-dragger look of my '36. It became increasing more difficult to keep the "hoods" from steeling my teardrop skirts and flipper disk hubcaps, I took the long shackles off of the rear, the solid hood panels, replaced the Douglas mufflers with stock mufflers, bought a set of '46 Ford hub caps at a local wreaking yard and set out to enjoy the peace and quiet of stock mufflers, sweet music and warm air.
My '36 Ford and I have been together for 66 years, we have traveled over 94.k miles together, throughout the eleven western states.
I have to admit that I almost put a SBC in the '36 in the early '60's. it was the thing to do, everyone was doing it. I bought all of the adapters to put a SBC on my Ford trans, however, I could not bring myself to do it.. The 59AB engine in my car runs to good, so I put the SBC conversion parts on the shelf, they are still there.

zzlegend · 03-05-2018, 03:09 PM

Oh man, here we go again.
X2 what Indy said. I have a flathead roadster that I built, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy other combo's. Unlike you. Maybe you could start your own website. Just a thought.

IndianapolisRacer · 03-05-2018, 03:28 PM

I own 10 vintage cars 6 stock and 4 modified to my taste of the 50s something I owned or helped with in the day and who can fault that beautiful black 36 three window with the Caddy it is simply stunning so "LETS ROLL"!

cas3 · 03-05-2018, 03:45 PM

did i say say somthin wrong?

FHFD · 03-05-2018, 03:57 PM

I also appreciate and have, a couple of my cars with flatheads, but I also have the same appreciation for my HotRods that are era correct.

For some it is obvious that having an appreciation/love for the lines/styling/beauty of these cars is not enough, but more what powers them, even if it is within the bounds of tradition.

I also get that it's the Ford Barn, not the HAMB (I am also on the HAMB), but if you're fanatical like myself you gather information wherever it is at.

A real shame that the Olds thread got shut down, some good information, until the haters joined in with their unsolicited replies, rather than just ignoring it.

petehoovie · 03-05-2018, 04:05 PM

I never read the "Olds" thread. When I saw the word Olds, I chose to ignore it. Given all the controversy about it on this thread, I now wish I would have read it....

cas3 · 03-05-2018, 04:08 PM

me too pete, no interest, no look

JSeery · 03-05-2018, 04:25 PM

It was a very interesting thread!

Henry Floored · 03-05-2018, 06:34 PM

Well guys I could apologize for barging in on the Olds thread but y'all wouldn't believe me anyways. I had no business barging in on someone else's thread. For that I'm truly sorry.

What you guys don't realize is that I understand completely why caddy's and olds and then later sbc's were the thing to do back in the day.

Up until the Internet and the advent of car enthusiasts forums guys like me had no voice. I remember reading all about how it was and I have many friends just like you guys that had no qualms about bastardizing old Fords.

To tell you the truth I was flabbergasted by a couple guys that chimed in admitting they went the Gm route back in the day. I thought those guys were true blue.

I've always had a hard time figuring out how say a Mopar or Porsche purist is totally in bounds when they rail about preserving the breed that's all good and fine, but let a Ford guy speak up and I'm a butthole.

I've talked to a hundred guys over the years who call themselves Ford guys but the 350 chevy is in their car because it either came that way or they had one laying around. Ha!

I've been around plenty of hot rods, worked on quite a few with bastard engines in them and most of them are cut up in some way.

The worst one was when I was just a lad and my former boss came rolling up in a beautiful '39 Coupe that he bought. Man it was nice and then he opens the hood and it's a sbc hooked to the '39 trans. My heart sank. He goes on to tell me he could just pull that engine out if he wanted to and bolt in a Flatty and no one would ever know the difference.

That really got to me, so I went to work. I researched everything there was to know about the possibility of doing a SBF swap the same way. I came to the conclusion that the oil pump was going to interfere with the stock crossmember.

Remembering that I wanted to make it a bolt in operation I designed and with some help a special oil pump mounted in the front cover to remove the interference problem. It worked great in prototype.

I went so far as to drive straight into Ford Performance headquarters and with several key engineers around me I pitched the idea and demonstrated my part.

That was all great but stillborn because Ford had no budget for parts for early cars at that time.

Good thing really because as I have progressed through life I have come to the conclusion that most hot rodders don't realize that Ford ever built an OHV V8. The mental leap is straight to the Gm parts bin. It would have flopped but at least I could say I done it.

So I'll leave you guys alone. You guys have every right to do as you wish with YOUR car. Who am I to say different? It is like I called it, " part of the culture", so much that guys are recreating what they did in the 50's and 60's so as to dissolve more Fords, and the funny thing is I'm the only one who cares. Ford obviously doesn't and furthermore I think they would condone a bastard combination so long as the Ford silhouette and logo is intact.

For gosh sakes when FoMoCo celebrated the 75th anniversary of the Deuce there were more Gm and Chrysler powered cars there than there were Fords. Ford gave them trophies! So carry on fellas I'll try not to bud in anymore but at least you know where I'm coming from. Sorry.

skidmarks · 03-05-2018, 06:50 PM

Wow, he just doesnt know when to stop. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Im sure this will be the next thread to disappear.

You could save yourself a lot of typing and just copy and paste you thoughts

Henry Floored · 03-05-2018, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skidmarks

Wow, he just doesnt know when to stop. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Im sure this will be the next thread to disappear.

You could save yourself a lot of typing and just copy and paste you thoughts

Sorry dude.

petehoovie · 03-05-2018, 07:18 PM

Henry Floored - I see that you have posted here 466 times. I did not research your posts. Were they all as controversial as these latest ones from you? Were they all about swapping out Flathead V8's with OHV8's in an otherwise stock Ford? How many of them were deleted?

zzlegend · 03-05-2018, 07:20 PM

So carry on fellas I'll try not to bud in anymore but at least you know where I'm coming from. Sorry.

I think it is "butt in", Not "bud in". Well, now we can say good bye to this thread. LOL.

skidmarks · 03-05-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zzlegend

So carry on fellas I'll try not to bud in anymore but at least you know where I'm coming from. Sorry.

I think it is "butt in", Not "bud in". Well, now we can say good bye to this thread. LOL.

Thats the way i feel and im not responding to any more of his BS.

03-03-2018, 11:34 PM	#43
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,568	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread damn kids and them jalopys

03-05-2018, 01:06 PM	#44
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread I know my name is mud here on the Barn because of the Oldsmobile thread, but I think (and this is just my opinion so if you're hyper-sensitive take it with a grain of salt) a person can go to any number of places to learn how to defile an early Ford. I thought the Ford Barn was a safe zone from that so maybe it's me that's hyper-sensitive, but for heavens sake how else could one describe it? I love traditional hot rods just as much as the next guy at the same time I take an about face if someone had to raid the Gm and Chrysler or anybody's but Ford's parts bins to make their cars go. Again there is about a 9 to 1 ratio all over the Internet of guys that are finely in tune with the de-Fording process that so many "not rodders" love. If this isn't the place to learn and share about doing it the "Ford" way then I too will move along (probably to the delight of more than a few guys on here).

03-05-2018, 02:16 PM	#45
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Can't let it go can you. Maybe if you post the same thing 20 more times it will work! I'm as Ford as you can get. Drive nothing but Fords, wear Ford logo clothing most of the time, work on nothing but Fords. I had a SBC in a 33 Plymouth B/A for a year in the mid 60s, that's it, was replaced the next season with a SBF. I don't think you understood the Olds thread at all. It was about what was going on in the 50s and someone asking some questions about that era for a specific purpose. The barn is Ford flathead specific with occasional tangents into other areas. It is odd that you seem hell bent on continuing this.

03-05-2018, 02:27 PM	#46
IndianapolisRacer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Olney , Illinois Posts: 222	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) If the thread annoyed you why did you continue to post nonsense , you didn't have to read it all you did was end a conversation that many seemed to enjoy and for what ?

03-05-2018, 03:05 PM	#47
blucar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 2,464	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread In some respects I am a real anomaly in the old car world. I started out a certified Hot Rodder in my early teens. My '36 Ford, when I bought it in September '52, was not my first car by a long sight. I had at least five GM cars from '38 to '42 before the '36. I bought my first car, a '40 Chevy coupe when I was 14, I paid $800. cash for it. I did a lot customizing to the first five cars, fender skirts, twice pipes, spotlights, sun visor, flipper disk hub caps, etc., as was the style in the late '40's , early '50's. And yes, I made some improvements to the engine's. One of my '38 Chevy's was the most notable, I put a GMC 270 CID with improved carburetion, headers, and a Mallory ignition in the car. Fast was an under statement. The '38 was not a hot rod, it was more of a performance custom, with warm air and sweet music. In my mind a Hot Rod is a car that is fenderless, a Model A, '32 or '33-34., I have never owned a Hot Rod, nor will I. Of course a Hot Rod can also be a car with no hood and a monster, blown hemi sticking above the cowl.. In 1954 I got tired of the tail-dragger look of my '36. It became increasing more difficult to keep the "hoods" from steeling my teardrop skirts and flipper disk hubcaps, I took the long shackles off of the rear, the solid hood panels, replaced the Douglas mufflers with stock mufflers, bought a set of '46 Ford hub caps at a local wreaking yard and set out to enjoy the peace and quiet of stock mufflers, sweet music and warm air. My '36 Ford and I have been together for 66 years, we have traveled over 94.k miles together, throughout the eleven western states. I have to admit that I almost put a SBC in the '36 in the early '60's. it was the thing to do, everyone was doing it. I bought all of the adapters to put a SBC on my Ford trans, however, I could not bring myself to do it.. The 59AB engine in my car runs to good, so I put the SBC conversion parts on the shelf, they are still there. __________________ Bill.... 36 5 win cpe Last edited by blucar; 03-05-2018 at 03:10 PM.

03-05-2018, 03:09 PM	#48
zzlegend Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reseda, Calif. Posts: 2,188	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Oh man, here we go again. X2 what Indy said. I have a flathead roadster that I built, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy other combo's. Unlike you. Maybe you could start your own website. Just a thought.

03-05-2018, 03:28 PM	#49
IndianapolisRacer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Olney , Illinois Posts: 222	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread I own 10 vintage cars 6 stock and 4 modified to my taste of the 50s something I owned or helped with in the day and who can fault that beautiful black 36 three window with the Caddy it is simply stunning so "LETS ROLL"!

03-05-2018, 03:45 PM	#50
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,568	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread did i say say somthin wrong?

03-05-2018, 03:57 PM	#51
FHFD Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Grays Harbor County, Wa Posts: 223	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread I also appreciate and have, a couple of my cars with flatheads, but I also have the same appreciation for my HotRods that are era correct. For some it is obvious that having an appreciation/love for the lines/styling/beauty of these cars is not enough, but more what powers them, even if it is within the bounds of tradition. I also get that it's the Ford Barn, not the HAMB (I am also on the HAMB), but if you're fanatical like myself you gather information wherever it is at. A real shame that the Olds thread got shut down, some good information, until the haters joined in with their unsolicited replies, rather than just ignoring it. __________________ "Get your facts first..then you can distort them as you please"

03-05-2018, 04:05 PM	#52
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,081	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread I never read the "Olds" thread. When I saw the word Olds, I chose to ignore it. Given all the controversy about it on this thread, I now wish I would have read it.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

03-05-2018, 04:08 PM	#53
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,568	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread me too pete, no interest, no look

03-05-2018, 04:25 PM	#54
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread It was a very interesting thread!

03-05-2018, 06:34 PM	#55
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Well guys I could apologize for barging in on the Olds thread but y'all wouldn't believe me anyways. I had no business barging in on someone else's thread. For that I'm truly sorry. What you guys don't realize is that I understand completely why caddy's and olds and then later sbc's were the thing to do back in the day. Up until the Internet and the advent of car enthusiasts forums guys like me had no voice. I remember reading all about how it was and I have many friends just like you guys that had no qualms about bastardizing old Fords. To tell you the truth I was flabbergasted by a couple guys that chimed in admitting they went the Gm route back in the day. I thought those guys were true blue. I've always had a hard time figuring out how say a Mopar or Porsche purist is totally in bounds when they rail about preserving the breed that's all good and fine, but let a Ford guy speak up and I'm a butthole. I've talked to a hundred guys over the years who call themselves Ford guys but the 350 chevy is in their car because it either came that way or they had one laying around. Ha! I've been around plenty of hot rods, worked on quite a few with bastard engines in them and most of them are cut up in some way. The worst one was when I was just a lad and my former boss came rolling up in a beautiful '39 Coupe that he bought. Man it was nice and then he opens the hood and it's a sbc hooked to the '39 trans. My heart sank. He goes on to tell me he could just pull that engine out if he wanted to and bolt in a Flatty and no one would ever know the difference. That really got to me, so I went to work. I researched everything there was to know about the possibility of doing a SBF swap the same way. I came to the conclusion that the oil pump was going to interfere with the stock crossmember. Remembering that I wanted to make it a bolt in operation I designed and with some help a special oil pump mounted in the front cover to remove the interference problem. It worked great in prototype. I went so far as to drive straight into Ford Performance headquarters and with several key engineers around me I pitched the idea and demonstrated my part. That was all great but stillborn because Ford had no budget for parts for early cars at that time. Good thing really because as I have progressed through life I have come to the conclusion that most hot rodders don't realize that Ford ever built an OHV V8. The mental leap is straight to the Gm parts bin. It would have flopped but at least I could say I done it. So I'll leave you guys alone. You guys have every right to do as you wish with YOUR car. Who am I to say different? It is like I called it, " part of the culture", so much that guys are recreating what they did in the 50's and 60's so as to dissolve more Fords, and the funny thing is I'm the only one who cares. Ford obviously doesn't and furthermore I think they would condone a bastard combination so long as the Ford silhouette and logo is intact. For gosh sakes when FoMoCo celebrated the 75th anniversary of the Deuce there were more Gm and Chrysler powered cars there than there were Fords. Ford gave them trophies! So carry on fellas I'll try not to bud in anymore but at least you know where I'm coming from. Sorry.

03-05-2018, 06:50 PM	#56
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Wow, he just doesnt know when to stop. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Im sure this will be the next thread to disappear. You could save yourself a lot of typing and just copy and paste you thoughts

03-05-2018, 07:18 PM	#58
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,081	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread Henry Floored - I see that you have posted here 466 times. I did not research your posts. Were they all as controversial as these latest ones from you? Were they all about swapping out Flathead V8's with OHV8's in an otherwise stock Ford? How many of them were deleted? __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

03-05-2018, 07:20 PM	#59
zzlegend Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reseda, Calif. Posts: 2,188	Re: Deleted-Lost topic thread So carry on fellas I'll try not to bud in anymore but at least you know where I'm coming from. Sorry. I think it is "butt in", Not "bud in". Well, now we can say good bye to this thread. LOL.