Restored Nebraska Model "A" Is junk

[ericr]

can someone please post the news article of today, where a Nebraska Model "A" owner cannot get the car licensed because it was once classified as junk.

[alexiskai]

https://journalstar.com/news/state-a...bf148417a.html

There's a Car & Driver story too but this one has more info.

[john in illinois]

In Illinois I think this would be a salvage title. There are companies that specialize in getting a title for these cars. Need to have your ducks in a row when restoring an unlicensed car.

John

[Synchro909]

I don't begin to understand the concept of a title for a car (we don't have them) but from what I've read here, some states over there don't issue titles for cars over a certain age. How would somebody from one of those states go if they owned such a car and moved to a state that does have titles for them? Is it possible to get this car registered in a state with no titles, then transfer it to your home state? Maybe create a bill of sale to help?
I'm only taking wild guesses here because I can't fathom such a (what seems to me) crazy system.


FWIW, If a car was involved in an accident here, the insuranced company assessors can write it off as a total loss or as a "Repairable Writeoff". The latter can be repaired and so long as it passes inspection, can be put back on the road.

[Dick Steinkamp]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

I don't begin to understand the concept of a title for a car (we don't have them) but from what I've read here, some states over there don't issue titles for cars over a certain age. How would somebody from one of those states go if they owned such a car and moved to a state that does have titles for them?

No problem titling a car brought into a title state from a non title state.

Is it possible to get this car registered in a state with no titles, then transfer it to your home state? Maybe create a bill of sale to help?

This is done all the time. There are several companies that specialize in this. You "sell" your car to one of these companies, they register it in a non title state and "sell" it back to you. You then title it in your state.

I'm only taking wild guesses here because I can't fathom such a (what seems to me) crazy system.

Oh, we have PLENTY of other crazy systems that make even LESS sense!

[Synchro909]

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Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

No problem titling a car brought into a title state from a non title state.


This is done all the time. There are several companies that specialize in this. You "sell" your car to one of these companies, they register it in a non title state and "sell" it back to you. You then title it in your state.


Oh, we have PLENTY of other crazy systems that make even LESS sense!

Might be a way forward, then.
As for crazy systems, we have plenty too. Maybe it's because I grew up here and therefore understand the way it works here better but it seems to me you guys take the prize. When ever government of any pursuation gets involved, common sense go out the window, IMO.

[77Birdman]

Originally Posted by Dick Steinkamp

No problem titling a car brought into a title state from a non title state.


This is done all the time. There are several companies that specialize in this. You "sell" your car to one of these companies, they register it in a non title state and "sell" it back to you. You then title it in your state.


Oh, we have PLENTY of other crazy systems that make even LESS sense!

I dont think its that easy in MD. Example: I buy a used car, I need to title it in my name. In order to do so, I need to present the current title (along with a bill of sale) with the back signed in the proper place from the immediate past owner (seller). MD takes this title (regardless of which state it is from) and converts it to a MD title in my name. IF there is NO previous title they will not issue a new one. I am currently having title problems on a GOOD title, problem needs to be resolved by previous issuing state (Maine) which does not keep records for older cars. MD say's im SOL.

[Terry, NJ]

It's an "evolved system" That means it's not the same as it was when it started. The idea was a title to a car like a deed to a house or property. It proved ownership! Now, Transferring titles has become a money maker for the state governments. Add to that the sales tax that collected at transfer and you have some pretty heavy cash revenue for the state govt. One question the gets asked a lot, is why do they collect the sales tax at every sale. Maybe once, when the car is new, but why at every successive sale? The whole system shows a lot of institutional corruption at every turn. In Pennsylvania it's worse, we have only private agents and they have pretty much a free hand to charge what they want, and they do! The only way around this is to go to the main MVA in Harrisburg, but that's over a hundred miles away.
Terry

Originally Posted by Synchro909

I don't begin to understand the concept of a title for a car (we don't have them) but from what I've read here, some states over there don't issue titles for cars over a certain age. How would somebody from one of those states go if they owned such a car and moved to a state that does have titles for them? Is it possible to get this car registered in a state with no titles, then transfer it to your home state? Maybe create a bill of sale to help?
I'm only taking wild guesses here because I can't fathom such a (what seems to me) crazy system.


FWIW, If a car was involved in an accident here, the insuranced company assessors can write it off as a total loss or as a "Repairable Writeoff". The latter can be repaired and so long as it passes inspection, can be put back on the road.

[TerryO]

It's all about the money (Licensing fees etc.)


TerryO

[denis4x4]

Speedway Motors and the American Museum of Speed are in Lincoln, the capitol city of Nebraska. As a participant in the Speedster Reunion, I've toured the capitol and had lunch at Swanson Ford. Speedway is a major player in Lincoln and I suspect that the Smith brothers may intercede.

[abachman3]

In Illinois, a few years ago, we had a number of titles revoked by the Secretary of State because the titles had been 'washed' by one of the out of state non-title required businesses. All of the revoked titles were then required to post a bond for three years at 150% of the value of the vehicle to ultimately get a good title in Illinois, if no one claimed that vehicle/title information.

[Synchro909]

I've just built up a Model A from parts I had laying about. How would you guys get something like that on the road?

[Dick Steinkamp]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

I've just built up a Model A from parts I had laying about. How would you guys get something like that on the road?

It depends upon what state you live in.

[alexiskai]

A typical process would be to (a) show any existing title for the chassis that you used; (b) complete an affidavit describing where the bits of the car are from, how you assembled it, and certifying that it meets state roadworthiness standards; and (c) have a DMV inspector check it out.

[Dick Steinkamp]

Originally Posted by alexiskai

A typical process would be to (a) show any existing title for the chassis that you used; (b) complete an affidavit describing where the bits of the car are from, how you assembled it, and certifying that it meets state roadworthiness standards; and (c) have a DMV inspector check it out.

That may be the case for NC. For WA, all you would need is that chassis title. No affidavit, no description of how you assembled it, no certification of roadworthiness, no DMV (DOL in Washington) inspection.

I think what Synchro is asking is "what if you didn't have any sort of title, but just assembled it from various parts." Again, every state will be different.

[Synchro909]

Hmmm, seems the "United States" are not very consistent!
I know many over there consider this country to be solialist but we are far more consistent. Once registered in one state, easy in any other.
It's all acedemic becasue I will never need to put a car on the road over there and most likely none of you will need to do it here. Each visit I make to the US reminds me that our two countries are nearly the same but at the same time, very different

[ericr]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

Hmmm, seems the "United States" are not very consistent!
I know many over there consider this country to be solialist but we are far more consistent. Once registered in one state, easy in any other.
It's all acedemic becasue I will never need to put a car on the road over there and most likely none of you will need to do it here. Each visit I make to the US reminds me that our two countries are nearly the same but at the same time, very different

I believe you guys have a much smaller population than the US, I think we are many times larger. With no two regions that think alike.

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by ericr

I believe you guys have a much smaller population than the US, I think we are many times larger. With no two regions that think alike.

Same size as your lower 48 with about one fifteenth or sixteenth the number of people.
There are certain responsibilitiues that fall to the Federal Government and others to the states. For example, only the Federal Government can raise a tax. They are also solely responsible for defense. The states handle things like car registration and land titles, health and education. One of the most annoying things I have found when travelling over there is when buying something. There is the price, then there is a local tax and a state tax and maybe more, plus (in many cases) a tip. By law here, the advertised price is what you pay. NO EXTRAS!
IMO, Our two political/legal sytsems are like us - very similar and nothing like the same! Maybe it's because I grew up here and understand the place better but I think there is greater uniformity accross the length and breadth Australia than I have seen in the US. Whether that is good or bad, I haven't decided.

[Terry, NJ]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

Hmmm, seems the "United States" are not very consistent!
I know many over there consider this country to be solialist but we are far more consistent. Once registered in one state, easy in any other.
It's all acedemic becasue I will never need to put a car on the road over there and most likely none of you will need to do it here. Each visit I make to the US reminds me that our two countries are nearly the same but at the same time, very different

Contrary to popular thinking, We are not one country, we are 50 separate countries. Each one with it's own laws and methods. By our Constitution and Bill of Rights the federal Govt is precluded from making laws on certain levels. Something it does all the time. The 9th and 10th amendments are supposed to prevent this , but since govt seems not to have to follow it's own rules, it gets away with a lot of things! Oh well, That's what the Second Amendment is for.
Terry

[Ranchero50]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

Hmmm, seems the "United States" are not very consistent!
I know many over there consider this country to be solialist but we are far more consistent. Once registered in one state, easy in any other.
It's all acedemic becasue I will never need to put a car on the road over there and most likely none of you will need to do it here. Each visit I make to the US reminds me that our two countries are nearly the same but at the same time, very different

It's all about a state's right to tax it's citizens. The federal government adds another layer for the whole US, the auto safety laws that passed in '67 are a good example. A while back the large semi's had different tags for each state they ran in and the drivers could have multiple licenses. The federal department of transportation got involved and "simplified" the process on a national level because those vehicles were used mostly for interstate transport. Cars are still used mostly for intrastate transport so the individual states control them.

Per the pieces to cars process in MD supposedly I can schedule and take my finished project to the central motor vehicle administration site and the MD state police will inspect and certify it as well as apply a state issued VIN plate.