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Old 08-17-2019, 10:31 PM   #1
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Iím fairly new to Model Aís, and I plan to look at a Victoria that is for sale in the next couple of days.

1) Is there such a thing as a 4 door Victoria?

2) Is the Victoria typically worth more than a Tudor? If so, by roughly how much?

3) What features does a Victoria have that are not found on a Tudor or Fordor?


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Old 08-18-2019, 12:04 AM   #2
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There is no such thing as a 4 door Victoria.


The Victoria was introduced in late 1930 as a 1931 Model. It was part of a group of "Deluxe" offerings to try to improve sales.


The Victoria had a slanted windshield and no visor. You sat lower in the car. The top of the roof was lower than the standard closed car models. The doors were wider for easy access to the rear seat area. The interior furnishings were all upgraded with wood grained dash and garnish moldings. The seat materials were upgraded and there was carpeting on the floors. They came equipped with cowl lamps as a standard feature. Victoria seats are more comfortable than Tudor seats.


These are just some of the features of the Victoria.


The Tudor was the entry level basic sedan. Ford made more Tudor's than any other body style. There is lots of room in the rear seat area of a Tudor. The Tudor body platform is basically all steel. Victoria's have wood in the body platform and also with the "soft Back" early Victoria's have a lot of wood in the rear portion of the body. Some times a car with a lot of wood can have issues with wood that needs to be replaced. Replacing the wood in a Victoria is much more difficult and expensive than with a Tudor.

Victoria's are popular and in the same condition usually will bring more money than a Tudor, how much more is difficult to know but some feel may be 50 to 100% more. The first Victoria's had a soft roof material that came down to the belt line below the rear window. Later the design was changed to a "steel back" roof design with a soft roof material insert only in the center part of the roof, similar to a 30-31 Fordor or coupe.


Which design is preferred is up to the individual but some feel the later "steel back" is a little more sought after.


My observations,


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I like both body styles and have one of each.

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Old 08-18-2019, 12:05 AM   #3
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OK, I will kick off & others can add.
1. For Model A's, there is no such 4dr Victoria.
2.Yes, worth more. You would have to check prices online in your area.
3. Victoria was a deluxe model & had cowl lamps, more plush interior than std. cars. First Model A with slanting windshield, low roof line, close coupled with bustle back rear panels, hence 'Victoria'. Less room in rear than a Tudor or Fordor? Does have small storage area behind the rear seat. Elegant styling . Cheers


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Old 08-18-2019, 06:27 AM   #4
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legroom in the front of a Vicki is very good!


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Old 08-18-2019, 08:33 AM   #5
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I believe the Victoria was built by Murray and is one of the wood sub-framed bodies. Carefully check the condition of the doors and wood sub-frame if it needs restoration.
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Chris gives a great description

I'd just add that a Victoria has an adjustable (fore and aft) driver's seat. This feature was also standard on the Deluxe 1931 Tudor, but very few of those were made.
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Old 08-19-2019, 01:42 PM   #7
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For the best place to find out about Victoria's is The International Model A Ford Victoria Association . The have a news letter that comes out quarterly that will fill a couple of notebooks of previous newsletters, that have so much needed information on the restoration your car. They also have available a couple of note books that have many illustration's and drawings that offer
a ton of needed information as well. Check out there website, you will not regret it.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:09 PM   #8
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I went to see the car over the weekend, and I plan to buy it tomorrow.


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Please post some photos of your new Victoria, Bill
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Definitely,


We need PICTURES!!!!


I think the Victoria is a very interesting body style.


Congratulations!


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Join the International Victoria Association and I will put your 190A into the record of survivors. Currently there are 518 190As in the record.
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Congratulations Victoria’s are the best looking Model a ford IMO.
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Join the International Victoria Association and I will put your 190A into the record of survivors. Currently there are 518 190As in the record.


Thanks, I didnít know about this. Iím heading work now, but I hope to check it out later.

http://www.victoriaassociation.org/


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Definitely,


We need PICTURES!!!!


Iíll try to take some this weekend.


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Old 08-22-2019, 04:51 PM   #15
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Here are some pictures.


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Nice looking Victoria.
It looks like the previous owner added a late 1931 steering column support, which is a good thing. Please make sure that he removed the rubber anti rattler on the gas tank support. This keeps the steering column from binding between the two supports.
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Congratulations Victoriaís are the best looking Model a ford IMO.
Funny how poeple's preferences vary! Both my wife and dislike the Vicky. For that reason, it probably just as well I've only ever seen one or two over here. That is because no Fords arrived here in 1931 so the few that are about are far more recent (within the last 10 years) private imports.
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Very Nice!!!!


It looks like you got a very nice car!!!


Enjoy


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NIce, one of my favorites in my favorite colours. JP
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Funny how poeple's preferences vary! Both my wife and dislike the Vicky. For that reason, it probably just as well I've only ever seen one or two over here. That is because no Fords arrived here in 1931 so the few that are about are far more recent (within the last 10 years) private imports.
That is interesting, the Vickey is my wife's favorite Model A. I don't care for any of the slant windshields, just look like the visor is missing!
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That is interesting, the Vickey is my wife's favorite Model A. I don't care for any of the slant windshields, just look like the visor is missing!

I like the Vickie except for the lack of visor. to me it looks like something is missing.
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A very nice looking Vickie for sure. Looks by the way the seat adjusts it's an early 31. The later ones had the adjustment built into the seat frame work and was on a slide. I have one of each. Happy motoring
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Funny how poeple's preferences vary! Both my wife and dislike the Vicky. For that reason, it probably just as well I've only ever seen one or two over here. That is because no Fords arrived here in 1931 so the few that are about are far more recent (within the last 10 years) private imports.
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]I like the Vickie except for the lack of visor. to me it looks like something is missing.https://imgur.com/a/GmkK1JR

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Congratulations, she's quite a STUNNER! Hope that you are able to drive her as much as you can, that's what Henry built them for.
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Funny how poeple's preferences vary! Both my wife and dislike the Vicky. For that reason, it probably just as well I've only ever seen one or two over here. That is because no Fords arrived here in 1931 so the few that are about are far more recent (within the last 10 years) private imports.
The Vicky is also my least favorite body style, and I will admit it took me a while to accept my 31 slant Town Sedan with no visor. I guess the lack of wood helps make up for no outside visor. The outside visor adds to the Model A good looks, and the sound of the exhaust is what first sold me on having to own a Model A.


BTW, I rode in the back seat of a Vicky, and it's too tight for comfort.
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I agree. Rear seating is surprisingly snug.


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I agree. Rear seating is surprisingly snug.

The distance from the firewall to the end of the body on the 1930 Tudor is about 93 inches with the rear seat up against the rear of the car.

The distance from the firewall to the end of the body on the Victoria is about 90 inches with the rear seat about 10 in from the end of the body. So there is between 10 and 13 inches less rear seat room.

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That’s a nice looking car and the good thing is,,,, you’ll be able to get gasoline with that fuel ration sticker on the windshield. I was just given one of these by my model a buddy (fuel ration sticker). He explained that during WW2 we weren’t short on gas, we were short on rubber so rationing of gas saved rubber????? Sounds reasonable.
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Nice ride and welcome to the community. You will notice perfect strangers will wave to you as you ride around town. In return you will give them a very satisfying AH-UH-GA !!
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Nice ride and welcome to the community. You will notice perfect strangers will wave to you as you ride around town. In return you will give them a very satisfying AH-UH-GA !!


Lol. Iíve had the car about two weeks, and, so far, three different drivers have stopped and hopped out of their cars when driving by the Victoria to come talk to me about the car. I had a 1957 Fairlane 500, and I still have a 1965 Mustang. But, Iíve never seen such a level of interest in an old car.


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Try explaining to people that your Victoria is the first generation of what eventually became the big Crown Victoria police cars, taxi cabs, limos, etc.
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Try explaining to people that your Victoria is the first generation of what eventually became the big Crown Victoria police cars, taxi cabs, limos, etc.
On its first outing a few years ago now, one of my cars won an award for best pre 1930. The young blokes with their hotted up cars with twin overhead fox tails, chromed greasalators and 400 horse power hub caps wouldn't believe that they only have their cars because ones like mine were so good they kept the company going.
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