The Ford Barn

Seth Swoboda · 04-18-2018, 03:24 PM

I'm going to run it in my 2017 Ram with a Cummins and my flatheads.....oh NOOOOO!

JSeery · 04-18-2018, 03:46 PM

I can only guess at the sleepless nights over oil!

fatkoop · 05-19-2018, 08:57 PM

Every motor (engine) around my house uses Rotella. Lawn mower, tractor, cars, trucks. Never a problem.

Tinker · 05-19-2018, 09:23 PM

I just bought some oil at fleet farm, it's Mobil super. $16 for 5qts of 10w-30. $12 dollar rebate on returning it full with your used oil. Did I mess up? I will change it again. Maybe more important in a new vehicle. My 06 f150 says on the gas cap only use BP gas, can't win.

Maybe a mn thing but... as I bought a gallon of stain and they charged me a $1 painting fee here, but the state recycles for free. Win some loose some I guess.

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36coupe · 05-20-2018, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BUBBAS IGNITION

Rotella all the way.......

Yeap I use it in everything.

big job · 05-20-2018, 08:01 AM

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I use Rotella in all my diesels. I use Valvoleen 20-50 racing oil (Gray bottle) in all my
gas jobs said to have zink way better oil pressure and none burn or use oil. And then
I bought a new F250 in 1975 (360) If you do not use Ford 300 oil your warranty will
be void? Far as I know Ford is not in the refinery business probably Shell with a Ford
stamp on it. So, I was already wrenching when all make flatheads were new. They
didn't have much of a warranty back then. Just about all were serviced from the local
gas station. Stations looked for oil deals, then oil was put in those pump tanks then
pumped in glass bottles. Old guys will remember that. Bottom line back then is you
never knew what came out of that bottle. And they ran and ran for 20 cents a quart.
Up on the lift watching my father with a coat hanger dragging crap out of the drain hole.
In high school I say about 65% cars teachers and seniors cars were flatheads and we
were well into the 352 390 days but not for the 55 to 65 dollar pay check. And they ran
and got you there like the great 1978 blizzard all I had was a 51 V8 with tire chains got
me there. People don't flinch using premium oil in their 2018 rice burner but use
Walmart stuff in a high buck rebuild. I don't get it. Just go to Model T forum on this site
and all say buy cheap oil at K Mart, ya gotta be kiddin.. No cheap stuff for my 100 yr
old baby...................

rotorwrench · 05-20-2018, 10:00 AM

Any oil is better than no oil. We used 20W/20 Texaco Havoline for the cooler months when I was a kid. We used the SAE 30 in the summer. It didn't matter if it was a flathead, a diesel tractor, or an OHV engine. Pop bought the stuff by the case for all the farm equipment.

I went to the Wally Word the other day and looked for 10-minutes for SAE 10W/40 mineral based motor oil and it was likely a re-refined brand. I have to go to the parts store to get a decent brand now days. I use Aeroshell brand in the helicopters. Some with the Lycoming additive (TCP) and some without. The stuff is getting expensive though. I use the W100 with no TCP in my R10 overdrive transmissions and all my old Harley transmissions.

paul2748 · 05-20-2018, 08:35 PM

Amazon and ebay are great places to buy oil. I buy the 5 quart bottles of Valvoline 10/40 for less than 25.00, delivered.

Cliff Ramsdell · 05-27-2018, 05:56 PM

I run it in my flathead, evo bobber and Shovelhead.

No issues in either and as for the old days when we were poor, if I couldn’t collect enough oil draining the quart cans out then it was the “best” looking oil coming out of the crankcase on an oil change because full of old oil is better the low on no oil, I’m just saying. It made sense to a 16 year old with shallow pockets.

Cliff Ramsdell

tubman · 05-27-2018, 06:20 PM

I run any detergent 10W/30 or 10W/40 that Dollar General has on sale at the time (anywhere from $1.85 to $3.00 a quart). The last batch I bought was Peak brand 10W/30. I don't remember the service rating, but it did say "Not to be used in vehicles newer than 1985", which I found comforting.

Pete F · 05-28-2018, 07:40 AM

With all the money we have invested in our cars why would you want to gamble on putting a $10 bottle of zinc in at an oil change.
All the cam grinders that I know say cam failure is way up since they pulled the zinc out of the oil.
Roll the dice
But for my money I’ll drop a 10 and be safe

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DD931 · 05-28-2018, 07:46 AM

Will it never end??????

rotorwrench · 05-28-2018, 09:25 AM

You have that right DD931. There is plenty of ZDDP in any modern oil for a relatively stock flathead. If it's a fire breathin heathin then maybe more might be better. 1200 PPM of the stuff is the max that does any good. More is not better. 800 PPM is plenty for a flathead. Now, if you have a 500+ HP 427 Ford then knock yourself out on the ZDDP since that is what the additive was for.

tubman · 05-28-2018, 10:05 AM

Believe me, I get it. My post was offered with my tongue slightly in my cheek.

JSeery · 05-28-2018, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete F

With all the money we have invested in our cars why would you want to gamble on putting a $10 bottle of zinc in at an oil change.
All the cam grinders that I know say cam failure is way up since they pulled the zinc out of the oil.
Roll the dice
But for my money I’ll drop a 10 and be safe

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This relates to OHV flat tappet cams with high valve spring pressure and not to flatheads.

Pete F · 05-28-2018, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

This relates to OHV flat tappet cams with high valve spring pressure and not to flatheads.

I spoke to Jerry at Schneider cams about cam wear and he assured me they have as much trouble with flatheads as overhead valve engines.
And I don’t feel like being a hero and experimenting for a $10 bottle so for me the zinc is in .
And it goes in every Engine I build or no warranty .
Everyone is entitled to there on opinion.

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philipswanson · 05-28-2018, 09:43 PM

I'd worry more about the lack of lead in our gasoline on valve seats. Bigger problem than zinc in oil.

Tinker · 05-28-2018, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philipswanson

I'd worry more about the lack of lead in our gasoline on valve seats. Bigger problem than zinc in oil.

if you rebuild put harden seats in. but i wouldn't worry to much. run some mmo in the gas for upper engine lube. you could theoretically run a 50/1 oil at a higher mix rate also (300/1).

qmdv · 11-28-2018, 12:15 PM

Nobody talked about Rotella T5 15-40. Is thee zink in that stuff. Use it in farm tractors and dodge diesel. I am guessing that a flathead will be happy with it.

rotorwrench · 11-28-2018, 01:31 PM

Most automotive motor oil has the API rating donut on the package somewhere if it's within specs. This is to certify that it meets the specs of that rating. If the rating is SJ or later, the ZDDP is reduced. SG was the last rating to have + or -1200 ppm of ZDDP but was done away with in 1993. The ILSAC classifications came out after the SG rating was obsoleted so they didn't exist before that. Obsoleted motor oils aren't required to have a rating so you can't tell if it has any or not. These types of oils are likely an unknown as to whether they have any beneficial additives or not. If you have an API rating of "SN" or ISLAC rating "GF-5" on the bottle or jug then you know there is only + or - 800 ppm of zink/phosphorus additive in there.

A flathead with high spring pressure and a real lumpy cam may need 1200-ppm of ZDDP but a stocker would be fine on 800-ppm.

04-18-2018, 03:24 PM	#21
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,795	Re: Rotella Oil Question I'm going to run it in my 2017 Ram with a Cummins and my flatheads.....oh NOOOOO!

04-18-2018, 03:46 PM	#22
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Rotella Oil Question I can only guess at the sleepless nights over oil!

05-19-2018, 08:57 PM	#23
fatkoop Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 11	Re: Rotella Oil Question Every motor (engine) around my house uses Rotella. Lawn mower, tractor, cars, trucks. Never a problem.

05-19-2018, 09:23 PM	#24
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Rotella Oil Question I just bought some oil at fleet farm, it's Mobil super. $16 for 5qts of 10w-30. $12 dollar rebate on returning it full with your used oil. Did I mess up? I will change it again. Maybe more important in a new vehicle. My 06 f150 says on the gas cap only use BP gas, can't win. Maybe a mn thing but... as I bought a gallon of stain and they charged me a $1 painting fee here, but the state recycles for free. Win some loose some I guess. .. Last edited by Tinker; 05-19-2018 at 09:39 PM.

05-20-2018, 08:01 AM	#26
big job Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Dighton, Mass Posts: 1,230	Re: Rotella Oil Question Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I use Rotella in all my diesels. I use Valvoleen 20-50 racing oil (Gray bottle) in all my gas jobs said to have zink way better oil pressure and none burn or use oil. And then I bought a new F250 in 1975 (360) If you do not use Ford 300 oil your warranty will be void? Far as I know Ford is not in the refinery business probably Shell with a Ford stamp on it. So, I was already wrenching when all make flatheads were new. They didn't have much of a warranty back then. Just about all were serviced from the local gas station. Stations looked for oil deals, then oil was put in those pump tanks then pumped in glass bottles. Old guys will remember that. Bottom line back then is you never knew what came out of that bottle. And they ran and ran for 20 cents a quart. Up on the lift watching my father with a coat hanger dragging crap out of the drain hole. In high school I say about 65% cars teachers and seniors cars were flatheads and we were well into the 352 390 days but not for the 55 to 65 dollar pay check. And they ran and got you there like the great 1978 blizzard all I had was a 51 V8 with tire chains got me there. People don't flinch using premium oil in their 2018 rice burner but use Walmart stuff in a high buck rebuild. I don't get it. Just go to Model T forum on this site and all say buy cheap oil at K Mart, ya gotta be kiddin.. No cheap stuff for my 100 yr old baby...................

05-20-2018, 10:00 AM	#27
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Rotella Oil Question Any oil is better than no oil. We used 20W/20 Texaco Havoline for the cooler months when I was a kid. We used the SAE 30 in the summer. It didn't matter if it was a flathead, a diesel tractor, or an OHV engine. Pop bought the stuff by the case for all the farm equipment. I went to the Wally Word the other day and looked for 10-minutes for SAE 10W/40 mineral based motor oil and it was likely a re-refined brand. I have to go to the parts store to get a decent brand now days. I use Aeroshell brand in the helicopters. Some with the Lycoming additive (TCP) and some without. The stuff is getting expensive though. I use the W100 with no TCP in my R10 overdrive transmissions and all my old Harley transmissions.

05-20-2018, 08:35 PM	#28
paul2748 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Midland Park, NJ Posts: 3,982	Re: Rotella Oil Question Amazon and ebay are great places to buy oil. I buy the 5 quart bottles of Valvoline 10/40 for less than 25.00, delivered. __________________ 48 Ford Conv 56 Tbird 54 Ford Victoria

05-27-2018, 05:56 PM	#29
Cliff Ramsdell Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Windsor Locks, CT. Posts: 244	Re: Rotella Oil Question I run it in my flathead, evo bobber and Shovelhead. No issues in either and as for the old days when we were poor, if I couldn’t collect enough oil draining the quart cans out then it was the “best” looking oil coming out of the crankcase on an oil change because full of old oil is better the low on no oil, I’m just saying. It made sense to a 16 year old with shallow pockets. Cliff Ramsdell Last edited by Cliff Ramsdell; 05-27-2018 at 08:41 PM.

05-27-2018, 06:20 PM	#30
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: Rotella Oil Question I run any detergent 10W/30 or 10W/40 that Dollar General has on sale at the time (anywhere from $1.85 to $3.00 a quart). The last batch I bought was Peak brand 10W/30. I don't remember the service rating, but it did say "Not to be used in vehicles newer than 1985", which I found comforting.

05-28-2018, 07:40 AM	#31
Pete F Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Bloomfield,ny Posts: 130	Re: Rotella Oil Question With all the money we have invested in our cars why would you want to gamble on putting a $10 bottle of zinc in at an oil change. All the cam grinders that I know say cam failure is way up since they pulled the zinc out of the oil. Roll the dice But for my money I’ll drop a 10 and be safe Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-28-2018, 07:46 AM	#32
DD931 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: PA Poconos Posts: 723	Re: Rotella Oil Question Will it never end??????

05-28-2018, 09:25 AM	#33
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Rotella Oil Question You have that right DD931. There is plenty of ZDDP in any modern oil for a relatively stock flathead. If it's a fire breathin heathin then maybe more might be better. 1200 PPM of the stuff is the max that does any good. More is not better. 800 PPM is plenty for a flathead. Now, if you have a 500+ HP 427 Ford then knock yourself out on the ZDDP since that is what the additive was for.

05-28-2018, 10:05 AM	#34
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: Rotella Oil Question Believe me, I get it. My post was offered with my tongue slightly in my cheek.

05-28-2018, 09:43 PM	#37
philipswanson Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Bonita, CA Posts: 1,374	Re: Rotella Oil Question I'd worry more about the lack of lead in our gasoline on valve seats. Bigger problem than zinc in oil.

11-28-2018, 12:15 PM	#39
qmdv Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Payette, ID Posts: 936	Re: Rotella Oil Question Nobody talked about Rotella T5 15-40. Is thee zink in that stuff. Use it in farm tractors and dodge diesel. I am guessing that a flathead will be happy with it.

11-28-2018, 01:31 PM	#40
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Rotella Oil Question Most automotive motor oil has the API rating donut on the package somewhere if it's within specs. This is to certify that it meets the specs of that rating. If the rating is SJ or later, the ZDDP is reduced. SG was the last rating to have + or -1200 ppm of ZDDP but was done away with in 1993. The ILSAC classifications came out after the SG rating was obsoleted so they didn't exist before that. Obsoleted motor oils aren't required to have a rating so you can't tell if it has any or not. These types of oils are likely an unknown as to whether they have any beneficial additives or not. If you have an API rating of "SN" or ISLAC rating "GF-5" on the bottle or jug then you know there is only + or - 800 ppm of zink/phosphorus additive in there. A flathead with high spring pressure and a real lumpy cam may need 1200-ppm of ZDDP but a stocker would be fine on 800-ppm.