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weelliott · 10-31-2021, 02:18 PM

Hello,

Just bought a 49/50/51 hodge-podge of parts that supposedly can be assembled into a convertible minus a drivetrain. The entire front clip is off the car, and I've decided to start assembling that to see what I've got and what I need. Unfortunately the boxes of parts included very few fasteners and no indication of which goes where.

So my first question for this forum, is what size bolts and clip nuts (aka extruded U-nuts) do I need to attach the top of the front fenders to the inner fender liners. Just looking at the 3/8"ish holes I'd think a 1/4-20 or perhaps 5/16-18. However, It seems as though the typical U-nuts for bolts that large have the center of the hole pretty far from the clip, like in the 3/4" range. If the bolt were up against the side of the hole furthest from the edge of the panel, the clip would still only be about 9/16 from the edge. So I'd think I'd need a smaller clip. Perhaps a #14 or #12. But at those sizes, I'm not sure the connection would be strong enough.

I apologize if this has been answered elsewhere, but I could not find anything about it.

Have a good one,
Bill

HD · 10-31-2021, 06:25 PM

If you buy the Original Ford 49-51 parts manual it has all the part#s pictures and bolt sizes,

tubman · 10-31-2021, 06:33 PM

In 1959, I took the right front fender off of my '51 Fordor just to see if I could. As I remember, all of the bolts were 5/16" fine thread.

Dan in MI · 10-31-2021, 08:06 PM

My Parts Catalog doesn't show those screws and J clips. I bought mine from Third Gen Automotive, https://thirdgenauto.com/ford-bolts/ Open the link for the Late Ford V-8 Hardware offerings and on Page 5 see # J-94-13. Picture is attached.

petehoovie · 10-31-2021, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan in MI

My Parts Catalog doesn't show those screws and J clips. I bought mine from Third Gen Automotive, https://thirdgenauto.com/ford-bolts/ Open the link for the Late Ford V-8 Hardware offerings and on Page 5 see # J-94-13. Picture is attached.

weelliott · 11-01-2021, 06:30 AM

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Wow. You guys are awesome.

I had looked in the body section of the 49-51 shop manual (pages 204-266) and didn't find it. I didn't realize there is a separate parts manual available. That sounds like a very handy thing to have.

I will definitely check out the thirdgenauto.com website.

Thank you!

38coop · 11-01-2021, 06:43 AM

Many years ago i bought a book titled 1953 FORD passenger car chassis parts and accessories catalog. It also covers 1949,50,51,52 cars. It shows diagrams of how parts are put together and also part numbers, sizes of fasteners . It has helped me a lot in working on my 49 car. I found this book at a swap meet and have not seen it listed anywhere else. You might find one on E-bay.

10-31-2021, 06:25 PM	#2
HD Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 970	Re: bolt size for 50 convertible front fenders If you buy the Original Ford 49-51 parts manual it has all the part#s pictures and bolt sizes,

10-31-2021, 06:33 PM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,316	Re: bolt size for 50 convertible front fenders In 1959, I took the right front fender off of my '51 Fordor just to see if I could. As I remember, all of the bolts were 5/16" fine thread.

11-01-2021, 06:30 AM	#6
weelliott Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 3	Re: bolt size for 50 convertible front fenders Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Wow. You guys are awesome. I had looked in the body section of the 49-51 shop manual (pages 204-266) and didn't find it. I didn't realize there is a separate parts manual available. That sounds like a very handy thing to have. I will definitely check out the thirdgenauto.com website. Thank you! __________________ Bill Elliott "Whether you think you can or you can't, either way you are right." -Henry Ford. "I think I can make these parts into a Ford." -Bill Elliott

11-01-2021, 06:43 AM	#7
38coop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 180	Re: bolt size for 50 convertible front fenders Many years ago i bought a book titled 1953 FORD passenger car chassis parts and accessories catalog. It also covers 1949,50,51,52 cars. It shows diagrams of how parts are put together and also part numbers, sizes of fasteners . It has helped me a lot in working on my 49 car. I found this book at a swap meet and have not seen it listed anywhere else. You might find one on E-bay.

10-31-2021, 02:18 PM	#1
weelliott Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 3	bolt size for 50 convertible front fenders Hello, Just bought a 49/50/51 hodge-podge of parts that supposedly can be assembled into a convertible minus a drivetrain. The entire front clip is off the car, and I've decided to start assembling that to see what I've got and what I need. Unfortunately the boxes of parts included very few fasteners and no indication of which goes where. So my first question for this forum, is what size bolts and clip nuts (aka extruded U-nuts) do I need to attach the top of the front fenders to the inner fender liners. Just looking at the 3/8"ish holes I'd think a 1/4-20 or perhaps 5/16-18. However, It seems as though the typical U-nuts for bolts that large have the center of the hole pretty far from the clip, like in the 3/4" range. If the bolt were up against the side of the hole furthest from the edge of the panel, the clip would still only be about 9/16 from the edge. So I'd think I'd need a smaller clip. Perhaps a #14 or #12. But at those sizes, I'm not sure the connection would be strong enough. I apologize if this has been answered elsewhere, but I could not find anything about it. Have a good one, Bill Last edited by weelliott; 10-31-2021 at 03:43 PM.