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calvin amerson · 07-21-2014, 08:23 AM

hi guys! I do not often post tho I have watching for a while, today I have a problem with brakes on my 31 tudor, I have new drums by mel gross new woven shoes(snyders) brake floters by flathead ted, the other day was in a local parade, on the way home kept noticing left front kept pulling when applied upon inspection it was found that the adjustment had tightened on its own ( new adjusting wedge ) now this is the second time this has happened, my addled brain cannot picture how this could happen given the components involved,

any advice welcome.

Vic in E-TN · 07-21-2014, 08:54 AM

Randy Gross recommends bonded brake shoes for his new drums. Using woven linings may or may not be the reason you have problems.

Vic

Al 29Tudor · 07-21-2014, 09:06 AM

You say the adjusting wedge at the top of the shoes is turning? Do you get a very positive click when adjusting the wedge? The adjusting shafts should be engaging the adjusting wedge and held by the long spring across the top of the shoes.
If you get that positive click then something is not allowing the operating wedge to retract. If at the bottom the operating wedge is binding and not retracting it could be the operating shaft or operating pin or any of the wheels, pins, springs or the stud assembly. Is the stud tight or loose? Can you disconnect the brake rod and operate the brake by hand to watch the mechanism move.

bettlesr · 07-21-2014, 09:27 AM

Doesn't the floaters from Flathead Ted use locknuts to keep the adjusters in place. They don't use the regular adjusting wedges. Maybe the lock nuts came loose or are not there.

Bob C · 07-21-2014, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic in E-TN

Randy Gross recommends bonded brake shoes for his new drums. Using woven linings may or may not be the reason you have problems.

Vic

Lining material is either woven or moulded, the attachment method
is riveted or bonded (glued).

Bob

Purdy Swoft · 07-21-2014, 10:47 AM

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I can't see how the type of lining that is used will cause the problem that you are having. I'm not saying that they aren't good, its just that Teds setup is completely different than original. People that are use to the original setup usually can't help. You may need to ask Ted.

calvin amerson · 07-21-2014, 01:32 PM

thanks to all here are answers to some of the questions 1. there is no lock nut.2.yes the adjustment is tightening question is how. 3. yes there is a distinct click during tightening or loosening 4. yes they are bonded from snyders
I could consider any suggestion however all four are new drums all four are new shoes both front have the identical parts only the left is giving the problem.

Tom Wesenberg · 07-21-2014, 02:13 PM

I haven't seen Ted's floater kits WITHOUT the lock nuts. Someone must not have changed that part, and kept using the original adjustment cone. Ted's has a floating cone that is pushed outward with something like a flat head on an elevator bolt. Since this bolt would turn smoothly in and out, it would need a locking nut to keep it from turning.

calvin amerson · 07-21-2014, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I haven't seen Ted's floater kits WITHOUT the lock nuts. Someone must not have changed that part, and kept using the original adjustment cone. Ted's has a floating cone that is pushed outward with something like a flat head on an elevator bolt. Since this bolt would turn smoothly in and out, it would need a locking nut to keep it from turning.

I understand what you are saying Tom and it makes good cents , no i did not get this with kit perhaps therein lies the problem will probably go back to orginals thank for the imput

insomniacshotrods · 07-21-2014, 05:09 PM

Mine have locking nuts and do not click when adjusting.

pat in Santa Cruz · 07-21-2014, 11:49 PM

As Tom said, Teds floaters must have the lock nut or they will re adjust themselves. It could be the one lock nut was not tightened and vibrated off. If so the lock nuts should be apparent on the other 3 brakes. If the other brakes also do not have locknuts, the question now is, how are they staying adjusted without tightening or loosening?. Somethings fishy here. I would pull all the drums and thoroughly inspect all brakes, especially the adjusting wedges.

Allanw · 07-23-2014, 01:36 PM

There absolutely ARE locknuts on Teds floaters... I have them. There is NO click in the adjustment. Did you fit them yourself? Maybe only the bottom floater part has been fitted?

At a show recently, Dad was talking to Ted, who was questioning if we'd brought HIS GENUINE floaters, because there had been reports of copies being sold under his name.

I brought ours direct from Ted himself, so was pretty sure they were genuine

07-21-2014, 08:23 AM	#1
calvin amerson Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: covington la. Posts: 36	front brake problem hi guys! I do not often post tho I have watching for a while, today I have a problem with brakes on my 31 tudor, I have new drums by mel gross new woven shoes(snyders) brake floters by flathead ted, the other day was in a local parade, on the way home kept noticing left front kept pulling when applied upon inspection it was found that the adjustment had tightened on its own ( new adjusting wedge ) now this is the second time this has happened, my addled brain cannot picture how this could happen given the components involved, any advice welcome.

07-21-2014, 08:54 AM	#2
Vic in E-TN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 491	Re: front brake problem Randy Gross recommends bonded brake shoes for his new drums. Using woven linings may or may not be the reason you have problems. Vic

07-21-2014, 09:06 AM	#3
Al 29Tudor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 648	Re: front brake problem You say the adjusting wedge at the top of the shoes is turning? Do you get a very positive click when adjusting the wedge? The adjusting shafts should be engaging the adjusting wedge and held by the long spring across the top of the shoes. If you get that positive click then something is not allowing the operating wedge to retract. If at the bottom the operating wedge is binding and not retracting it could be the operating shaft or operating pin or any of the wheels, pins, springs or the stud assembly. Is the stud tight or loose? Can you disconnect the brake rod and operate the brake by hand to watch the mechanism move.

07-21-2014, 10:47 AM	#6
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: front brake problem Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I can't see how the type of lining that is used will cause the problem that you are having. I'm not saying that they aren't good, its just that Teds setup is completely different than original. People that are use to the original setup usually can't help. You may need to ask Ted.

07-21-2014, 01:32 PM	#7
calvin amerson Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: covington la. Posts: 36	Re: front brake problem thanks to all here are answers to some of the questions 1. there is no lock nut.2.yes the adjustment is tightening question is how. 3. yes there is a distinct click during tightening or loosening 4. yes they are bonded from snyders I could consider any suggestion however all four are new drums all four are new shoes both front have the identical parts only the left is giving the problem.

07-21-2014, 02:13 PM	#8
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: front brake problem I haven't seen Ted's floater kits WITHOUT the lock nuts. Someone must not have changed that part, and kept using the original adjustment cone. Ted's has a floating cone that is pushed outward with something like a flat head on an elevator bolt. Since this bolt would turn smoothly in and out, it would need a locking nut to keep it from turning.

07-21-2014, 05:09 PM	#10
insomniacshotrods Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Carthage, Missouri Posts: 267	Re: front brake problem Mine have locking nuts and do not click when adjusting. __________________ Enjoy life , it has an expiration date.

07-21-2014, 11:49 PM	#11
pat in Santa Cruz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: santa cruz, calif Posts: 2,011	Re: front brake problem As Tom said, Teds floaters must have the lock nut or they will re adjust themselves. It could be the one lock nut was not tightened and vibrated off. If so the lock nuts should be apparent on the other 3 brakes. If the other brakes also do not have locknuts, the question now is, how are they staying adjusted without tightening or loosening?. Somethings fishy here. I would pull all the drums and thoroughly inspect all brakes, especially the adjusting wedges.

07-23-2014, 01:36 PM	#12
Allanw Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Whangarei, New Zealand Posts: 298	Re: front brake problem There absolutely ARE locknuts on Teds floaters... I have them. There is NO click in the adjustment. Did you fit them yourself? Maybe only the bottom floater part has been fitted? At a show recently, Dad was talking to Ted, who was questioning if we'd brought HIS GENUINE floaters, because there had been reports of copies being sold under his name. I brought ours direct from Ted himself, so was pretty sure they were genuine __________________ Allan '29 Tudor, Canadian RHD Whangarei, NZ "Duct Tape can't fix stupid, but it can MUFFLE the sound"