|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
09-14-2020, 03:52 PM | #1 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Here are three different firewall wiring covers. The one on left is the commonly seen 1939-1940 cover. I believe the center picture is the 1941 cover with the wide openings for harness. The one on right has a flat top and i believe it is an early part for 1939. Has anyone seen one of these flat top covers or know anything about it? All three have identical positions for screws. Does anyone
|
09-14-2020, 05:07 PM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 8,995
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Larry, The flat one is early '39. However, I can no longer recall when the design change occurred. It was very early - that much I recall. It was done as you would suspect, to allow more room for the wires.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you". |
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
09-14-2020, 07:17 PM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
The Early Ford V8 Clubs 1938 - 39 Ford Book page 4-31 states the part was revised 0n 10/28/38.
|
09-15-2020, 07:13 AM | #4 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
I wonder HOW the 39 Mercury's missed using them???
|
09-15-2020, 10:41 AM | #5 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
Can anyone confirm that the center one is in fact 1941 and maybe 1942. Someone with an original car might be able to check for me. Thanks......40larry |
|
09-15-2020, 01:08 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
|
09-15-2020, 01:26 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: From Chicago. Now Nashville
Posts: 206
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
The center one looks more like the one on my 41 1/2 ton pickup. Although mine is smooth on the top and does not have that indent by the top wire opening.
__________________
Cars and metal rust away and are destroyed, but the Word of God will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35). |
09-15-2020, 04:17 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
See attached.
|
09-15-2020, 06:09 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Early 39 Mercury had the same problem as early 39 Ford. The Mercury wire cover part number was 99A-14600.
|
09-16-2020, 11:12 AM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
|
09-16-2020, 11:57 AM | #11 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
Can someone confirm that the center one in my picture is the 21A-14600 that is called out for all 42-48 passenger cars. Does the 21A-14600 have two or three wire openings? thanks 40larry |
|
09-16-2020, 12:03 PM | #12 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
This is my 10/38 production, 39 Mercury and it has NO part you speak of????? OR at least in any of these pictures!!!! NOTE my above post as 39 Mercury NOT having one!!!!
|
09-16-2020, 12:09 PM | #13 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Not sure IF it helps you Larry but this is the only shot I have of my 46 Tudor I had and the part you ask of......Looks like two!!!!
|
09-16-2020, 12:12 PM | #14 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
A closer scan
|
09-16-2020, 06:20 PM | #15 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
See attached the cover pictured is off of a 1942 - 47 Ford Pickup.
|
09-17-2020, 11:32 AM | #16 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
Thanks. That seems to answer the question. Your picture is same as my center cover pictured. It appears that the 21A cover only has two wire openings. So my center cover is the 1942 to 1947 pickup. If this cover fits the 42 to 47 pickup should there be a 21C-14600 listed in the parts book? Have you seen a 21C part number for a cover in any Ford parts book. 40larry |
|
09-17-2020, 11:38 AM | #17 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
|
09-17-2020, 07:52 PM | #18 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
40 Larry I have attached a photo of all the cover styles I have at the moment so you can compare the differences. I do not have a 21A-14600 right now but it had only two wire holes and was correct for Ford and Mercury.
Rockfla if you look at the firewall on the engine compartment side below the voltage regulator where the wire harness from under the dash connects to the wire harness for the engine compartment you will see three small holes for the screws that hold the wire harness cover. I have had at least six 39 - 40 Mercury covers and all have had only two holes for the wire harness. Two of the covers were early and the balance later. Looking at all the covers you will see all have the same location for the screws. Hope this helps. |
09-18-2020, 06:54 AM | #19 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
|
|
09-18-2020, 08:01 AM | #20 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
ALSO a fellow barner wanted me to post this picture for him as he couldn't asking for an "ID" which I believe is 41?????
|
09-18-2020, 10:40 AM | #21 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
|
09-21-2020, 07:01 PM | #22 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 236
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
Cyclone: Here is another one from my collection that is so far not identified. It is similar to 1941 pickup except it has two small size wire openings and one larger opening at the bottom. There are two cover part numbers that we know of that have not as yet been matched up with a cover. They are the 99A-14600 and the 21A-14600. Could this be one of these two? 40larry |
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|
09-29-2020, 03:10 AM | #23 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 540
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
|
09-29-2020, 11:31 AM | #24 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
IS the black finish correct??? NOT body color???
|
09-29-2020, 12:18 PM | #25 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 8,995
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Black was the intended color for all vehicles regardless of body color. There are a few folks that contend "some" cars had these originally painted body color.
However, none of these folks has ever offered any proof of this actually occurring. The engineering release clearly indicates black.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you". Last edited by Kube; 09-29-2020 at 12:35 PM. Reason: spelling error |
09-29-2020, 12:24 PM | #26 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Coral Springs FL
Posts: 10,936
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
|
09-29-2020, 01:46 PM | #27 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
|
|
09-30-2020, 06:47 AM | #28 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
|
|
09-30-2020, 06:55 AM | #29 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Kube
In the interim I found this picture of our Merc at the 09 Central National in Auburn and you can see our cover is body color!!! NOT saying you are wrong by any means......BUT here is my bases of proof thus far!! Last edited by rockfla; 09-30-2020 at 08:14 AM. |
09-30-2020, 08:45 AM | #30 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 552
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
See attached.
|
09-30-2020, 09:11 AM | #31 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 8,995
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
There haven't been many "colored" covers witnessed that could offer more than "I think this is original" offered as proof and / or theory. While researching for my book, the priority was always what was intended. When a deviation occurred on a basis so vast it couldn't be cast as "worker error" or "ran out of cadmium bolts (ex)" then I'd include that in the text. This cover is one of those things that simply has not been witnessed on more than a very infrequent basis. I did find that very early cars of any model had more anomalies than later production. A perfect example of that? 1940 Deluxe grille trim with squared off ends. The engineering releases clearly show this design as obsolete prior to "Job #1". Still, this squared off end trim showed up on a vast number of very early vehicles. Too many to believe with any common sense it was worker error or simply an oversight. Nope, most likely, the early design was used up prior to the speared end design was the "norm".
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you". |
|
09-30-2020, 10:44 AM | #32 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jacksonville FL
Posts: 3,951
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Kube
I was coming from the stand point of your statement above that "Nobody has offered Proof" side of things and also not to be argumentive. I don't dispute the "norm" being black and STILL not convinced yet that mine was originally body color till I get mine back in hand!! SO my picture was merely to show that my statement of body color was also an offer of "proof". AGAIN, I'm still not convinced I am right.....YET!! Lol |
09-30-2020, 12:57 PM | #33 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 8,995
|
Re: 1939 1940 1941 firewall wiring kidney shaped cover
Quote:
As I'd stated earlier, it seems that occasionally when starting a "new" model, there were things that needed to be "dialed in" whether for efficiency, design and / or function. As (another) example: '39 Deluxe Fords had a grille cross brace that was body color on early models. This particular brace was bolted in place. Mid year change saw this brace riveted to the grille and subsequently painted body color - a definite cost savings.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you". Last edited by Kube; 09-30-2020 at 01:02 PM. |
|
|
|
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) |
|