2 door phaeton project, how much is it worth

[Marshall V. Daut]

Nope, not a Standard Phaeton. The rear shot with the unique curve around the back where the top anchors and the valence between the rear fenders pretty well clinches this as a two-door phaeton. Both would be hard to fake convincingly. Is there a "tub" serving as the rear passenger's feet area? It should be a sunken pan made of metal with ribs. This allowed the rear seat to be placed lower than in the Standard Phaeton. A good, clear side view of the doors ought to seal the deal.
It's looking more and more like a legitimate Deluxe Phaeton to these eyes.
Marshall

[gustafson]

Beware. Irons not from a Deluxe, more like a Std.
Body is wracked, note huge gaps at windshield
Doors are shot, note turnbuckle
Another red flag is so many unfinished cars.
Overpriced. To restore a Deluxe properly requires a boatload of $$$$. If done on the cheap, it won't bring value

[Dave Slater]

From the photos attached it's a real Tudor phaeton and it was a right hand drive delivered car. Have a look at the front doors as they are framed in timber where as the USA delivered standard phaetons front doors were all steel. Also have a look at the belt molding at thr rear of the car as it goes around the rear tub - totally different from a standard 4 door phaeton. There should also be a body tag riveted to the cowl close to the glass petrol bowl and the body tag should read 159-xxxx. Without looking up thr records from Steve Pluckers book total production was around 7000 units. A very desirable body style with only about 250 left in the world. Dave. PS there are only 4 in Australia.

[updraught]

Originally Posted by Synchro909

If any barners are looking to convert a Model A from RHD (where the steering wheel is on the RIGHT side) to LHD and it has a 2 tooth steering box, I'll put my hand up for the steering column at least.

There should be one there in that pile of junk with a RHD column support.

[Will Ziegler in LI NY]

I would love to see more photos, but from what is shown, if I had the opportunity I would jump on it. 180A's are great looking cars.

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

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PHAETON defined, means WINDY & NOISY.
Bill Badhair

[dlshady]

Originally Posted by gustafson

Beware. Irons not from a Deluxe, more like a Std.
Body is wracked, note huge gaps at windshield
Doors are shot, note turnbuckle
Another red flag is so many unfinished cars.
Overpriced. To restore a Deluxe properly requires a boatload of $$$$. If done on the cheap, it won't bring value

While that may actually be the case with this particular car, it's not necessarily a given. It's common practice to add them during a restoration to help prevent door sag in the future.

Originally Posted by Dave Slater

From the photos attached it's a real Tudor phaeton and it was a right hand drive delivered car. Have a look at the front doors as they are framed in timber where as the USA delivered standard phaetons front doors were all steel. Also have a look at the belt molding at thr rear of the car as it goes around the rear tub - totally different from a standard 4 door phaeton. There should also be a body tag riveted to the cowl close to the glass petrol bowl and the body tag should read 159-xxxx. Without looking up thr records from Steve Pluckers book total production was around 7000 units. A very desirable body style with only about 250 left in the world. Dave. PS there are only 4 in Australia.

Not sure how that urban legend got started but it's not actually true. Below is a picture of a late 31 180A that I know for a fact was US made. It's one of four that my dad has done the wood in, all of which were US built cars and all of which had wood framed doors.

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

Nope, not a Standard Phaeton. The rear shot with the unique curve around the back where the top anchors and the valence between the rear fenders pretty well clinches this as a two-door phaeton. Both would be hard to fake convincingly. Is there a "tub" serving as the rear passenger's feet area? It should be a sunken pan made of metal with ribs. This allowed the rear seat to be placed lower than in the Standard Phaeton. A good, clear side view of the doors ought to seal the deal.
It's looking more and more like a legitimate Deluxe Phaeton to these eyes.
Marshall

Here's a picture of the rear floorpan area that it should have.

[Digger]

Thanks everyone for chiming in on this car. I appreciate it.

[ronn]

as a reference-one of these sold at auction in about the same condition a year ago spring from the estate of a local A guy. it needed everything, but had the top, was from south America and had horrible frame sag. It sold for 12500. at auction.

[Marshall V. Daut]

Both of my Deluxe Phaetons have wooden-framed doors. The Deluxe Phaeton body was built around wooden framing, unlike the USA Standard Phaetons with their steel structure. One of the most difficult challenges restoring a Deluxe Phaeton is to get the doors to open and close properly, plus adjusting the turnbuckle to get the doors tweaked so that they fit the contour of the body and sit in their openings squarely. You'd think with only two doors, this would be an easy task. Nope. It's all that "give" in the wood and shimming that is necessary, plus the very long and heavy doors exerting unwanted geometric stresses on the door hinges and cowl. TONS O' FUN, believe me!
Marshall

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

My 7, "EARLY AMERICAN" PANELED hall doors, were made of pressed, wet, MASONITE, with raised WOODGRAIN, EVEN !!
Bill Ihungthemmyself

[Keith True]

What caught me by surprise was the 29 Graham Paige picture.I've only seen one other,and it is sitting in my garage right now.The one I just got running has a rear mount spare though,not a side mount.It has four wheel contracting band hydraulic brakes,The one here has new linings ,and the new material kind of stands out.The first thing people say when they see this one is,how does that stop with the brakes out in the open?

[Digger]

Off topic, but here is the 47 Chrysler, most likely the LONGEST car I have ever seen... wonder how many tons it weighs!

[Bob-A]

The windshield looks like a standard to me and not a deluxe!?


Bob-A

[gustafson]

totally agree, that windshield is painted and is too tall
buyer beware
the irons are DEF NOT deluxe
there are known to be attempts at fake deluxes

[Will Ziegler in LI NY]

Digger if you have any specific questions about this car, let me know. I can take photos of my 180A for comparison.

-Will

[Digger]

Thanks Will, and all, I may just throw an offer their way, scoop it up with whatever is included. I will keep you all POSTED,

3 more GP photos

[updraught]

Wood frame looks like a work of art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJe3sSo86x8

[Dave Slater]

Work of art? I call it termite delight!

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Someone mentioned "THE GIFT OF GAB"----GAB, defined, = UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT!
Bill Blunt