Timing Gear Cover

[Chevmn56]

Hello........is there a supplier that has new/used timing gear covers......the chrome one on Clyde has a hub that is way to small to fit the Generator.

Thanks in advance

[Bob C]

Could you post a picture of what you have??

Bob

[oponui1]

I have lots of timing gear covers. There is early & late. Let me know if you still need one

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Could you post a picture of what you have??

Bob

Originally Posted by oponui1

I have lots of timing gear covers. There is early & late. Let me know if you still need one

yep ill get them posted now the cover thats on it is chrome and the hub is small its a 29 motor if that helps ...in a 31 tudor with a Model B head and a 3 bolt pump.......i didnt change to this this is the way i bought it!

[Chevmn56]

if you need a pic of the other side let me know... Thanks

[Bob C]

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I wonder if somebody cut the cover back so the belt would line up because the first picture you posted of your generator looks like the pulley is to far forward.
I measured a cover and the generator mount is just a hair under 2" wide.

Bob

[J Franklin]

You could add a spacer or thick washers.

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Bob C

I wonder if somebody cut the cover back so the belt would line up because the first picture you posted of your generator looks like the pulley is to far forward.
I measured a cover and the generator mount is just a hair under 2" wide.

Yeah Tom W. told me it looked like that as well....i just measured the generator mount and it is 1.5", and the side towards the firewall has been cut i can fill it.
Bob

Originally Posted by J Franklin

You could add a spacer or thick washers.

Yeah it had a 3/8" thick hand made aluminium square spacer......I want to put it back to the original way it should be (done right), ever since tuning Clyde up he doesn't seem to run as smooth as hes supposed to ( I think), so im thinking the timing marks may not be lined up correctly as well.....i am tossing around the idea of getting a Snyders HC head, and the correct water pump and timing cover, and then see if the pulleys line up, some one really rushed this together!!!!!!!, id show the wiring harness in the front but am to embarrassed.

[V4F]

I use an alternator & have a spacer & washers to make it right

[hardtimes]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

Yeah it had a 3/8" thick hand made aluminium square spacer......I want to put it back to the original way it should be (done right), ever since tuning Clyde up he doesn't seem to run as smooth as hes supposed to ( I think), so im thinking the timing marks may not be lined up correctly as well.....i am tossing around the idea of getting a Snyders HC head, and the correct water pump and timing cover, and then see if the pulleys line up, some one really rushed this together!!!!!!!, id show the wiring harness in the front but am to embarrassed.

Are you sure that the cover is not polished aluminum ?

[James Rogers]

I have a stack of timing covers. I would sell you one correct for your motor if you call me. 25$ plus shipping.

[Chevmn56]

Well I finally took the timing cover off, it does not look like a model A cover. The timing hole is in a elongated hub and the timing hole is at the top of the hub, when I lay the new/old timing cover from Berts on the mystery cover the timing marks do not line up at all....nowhere near each other. And the hub for the generator is obviously smaller (See Pics). Since I have the timing cover off I thought I would check the timing marks on the cam and crank gear and make sure they line up.
Welllllll !!!!! the cam gear has the dimple in it but, for the life of me i cannot find the dimple on the crank gear there is one tooth that has 2 small center punch marks in it, but it never lines up with the dimple in the cam gear (I rotated the engine over I bet 6 times) and yes it ran before see video(video is to big and wont load sorry). In all of my readings, in the Red book by Les and the service bulletins and judging standards......it’s all running together now, I thought I read somewhere that the crank timing mark should be the first tooth to the right of the key way?????? Is this correct???????? If so then the marks are good. The crank gear has some sort of lipped washer or something on the face of it so I cannot see anything that may be on the face of it.

Thanks again for all your help

[quickchange]

Its a B timing cover , Not A , but A one fits , & can be used,

[1955cj5]

Here is a picture of the timing marks....


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[J Franklin]

I run a B distributor with an A cover and would trade if you were interested.

[Charlie Stephens]

I wonder if the timing cover has been modified for some reason? The Model A and Model B generators are the same mount.

Charlie Stephens

[Tom Wesenberg]

Don't worry about the cover lining up when you set the crank gear and cam gear timing marks. BTW your B cover shown will set the timing at 9 or 10 degree advance, so now is the time to install the correct A cover.
Once these 2 are clocked correctly, you install the cover and set the distributor timing by the pin in the cam gear dimple.

Here's a picture of the gears in mesh.

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by J Franklin

I run a B distributor with an A cover and would trade if you were interested.

Ill give you the B cover if you want it?

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Don't worry about the cover lining up when you set the crank gear and cam gear timing marks. BTW your B cover shown will set the timing at 9 or 10 degree advance, so now is the time to install the correct A cover.
Once these 2 are clocked correctly, you install the cover and set the distributor timing by the pin in the cam gear dimple.

Here's a picture of the gears in mesh.

Ill get a pic of the timing marks there is no mark on the crank gear that lines up with the mark on the cam gear dimple.....there are 2 small center punch holes on one crank tooth but its no where near the key way and never lines up with the cam dimple (in at least 6 engine revolutions).

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

I wonder if the timing cover has been modified for some reason? The Model A and Model B generators are the same mount.

Charlie Stephens

Yeah I dont know on that I dont know enough about the A's YET......but upon clean up and wipe down the chrome cover generator mounting hub has Not bean ground down........maybe this is a B cover made for a alternator????? do the alternators use a narrower mounting hub?

[katy]

The crank gear has some sort of lipped washer or something on the face of it

That's the oil slinger.

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by katy

That's the oil slinger.

Well i fill like a OLD A$$......with my poor eye sight and light i could not see the mark until i took the picture zoomed in!!!!! in my defense the slinger (thanks Katy)hides it LOL....last questions here ....would it be worth it to change the cam gear ??????? to the aluminium one?????? since im this far, and does the key way key look right other pics that where posted on this thread show a lot taller key??????

[CarlG]

Are you sure you have a Model A engine and not a B?

[100IH]

Gumby says "oh no."

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by CarlG

Are you sure you have a Model A engine and not a B?

Well i ran the numbers on the block......and i thought i looked them up right. Ill post a pic of the numbers.

[Chevmn56]

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Originally Posted by 100IH

Gumby says "oh no."

??????

[Charlie Stephens]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

Yeah I dont know on that I dont know enough about the A's YET......but upon clean up and wipe down the chrome cover generator mounting hub has Not bean ground down........maybe this is a B cover made for a alternator????? do the alternators use a narrower mounting hub?

I have never heard of a Model A or Model B timing cover made for an alternator.

Charlie Stephens

[Charlie Stephens]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

Well i ran the numbers on the block......and i thought i looked them up right. Ill post a pic of the numbers.

The numbers could have been stamped later. How about also a picture of the right side of the engine?

Charlie Stephens

[Chevmn56]

Heres the block number.

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

The numbers could have been stamped later. How about also a picture of the right side of the engine?

Charlie Stephens

Any Part specifically????

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

Any Part specifically????

May I ask what you are looking for?????

[1955cj5]

It looks like you have a "B" head along with the B water pump.

If it were a "B" block the oil return pipe from the valve chamber to the block would be missing, and there would be a boss for the addition of a fuel pump in place of the bottom oil pipe attach point...

The distributor looks like an "A" type.....others will know more...

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by 1955cj5

It looks like you have a "B" head along with the B water pump.

If it were a "B" block the oil return pipe from the valve chamber to the block would be missing, and there would be a boss for the addition of a fuel pump in place of the bottom oil pipe attach point...

The distributor looks like an "A" type.....others will know more...

Weeew guess thats good news,i knew i had a B head and pump, which i am going to change back to the A setup (4 bolt).

[1955cj5]

Lots of info here..

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABcy...comparison.htm

If you search that site you will learn just about everything you need to know!

[Tom Wesenberg]

That timing mark on the cam gear looks to be drilled half a tooth off from the correct location. I just looked again, and I think it's ok, but the camera angle throws it off a bit.

[Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

would it be worth it to change the cam gear to the aluminum one? since im this far, and does the key way key look right other pics that where posted on this thread show a lot taller key?

The fiber camshaft gear has gotten a lot of bad press. If you don't replace it now while you have it stripped down it will surely fail.

Crank key does look a little unusual. Looking straight on at the crank snout, does the key fill the crank gear key way?

[Bob-A]

I'm going to change the "A" dizzy off my '31 "A" roadster with a "B" block
and "B" timing cover to a "B" dizzy. For now I time the "A" dizzy to the "B" timing cover by pulling the number 1 spark plug. And "manually" observing when the number 1 piston comes up to TDC. Not the most accurate way
of timing, but it puts me in the ballpark for now.

Bob-A

[Chevmn56]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

That timing mark on the cam gear looks to be drilled half a tooth off from the correct location. I just looked again, and I think it's ok, but the camera angle throws it off a bit.

I see what you mean Tom, I think i am going to get the aluminium gear and start fresh with the timing

Originally Posted by Dollar Bill

The fiber camshaft gear has gotten a lot of bad press. If you don't replace it now while you have it stripped down it will surely fail.

Done :-)

Crank key does look a little unusual. Looking straight on at the crank snout, does the key fill the crank gear key way?

I had to work today.....tonight when i get home ill see if i can get another picture since my eyes are so bad, and my Radiator is still installed. I would change the gear and key on the crank but i don't want to drop the pan right now, all this has transpired out of doing a tuneup lol if i go any further i may just yank it and send it to Berts and have them go through it.

[1955cj5]

Originally Posted by Chevmn56

Well i fill like a OLD A$$......with my poor eye sight and light i could not see the mark until i took the picture zoomed in!!!!! in my defense the slinger (thanks Katy)hides it LOL....last questions here ....would it be worth it to change the cam gear ??????? to the aluminium one?????? since im this far, and does the key way key look right other pics that where posted on this thread show a lot taller key??????

If your crank pulley is still in place in the picture you posted (post #22) of the timing marks, then I think your keyway is OK.....I see the pulley is still on there in post #31.

Part of the pulley slips over the crank and butts against the oil slinger, and it also has a notch for the key..

[Chuck Sea/Tac]

Not to be picky, but it’s a c head , which came on a b. block, and uses a 3 bolt water pump. The b head has a 4 bolt water pump and was factory aftermarket for the a engine.
Also there were several different 3 bolt water pumps with different length shafts for the different radiator positions of the 32,33,34 models.