1939 Ford hood brace removal

[BillW810]

I need to remove the hood cross brace/hinge mount '39 Ford Deluxe. I plan on unfolding the rear edge and removing the spot welds to remove. With some measurements. I have seen some say cut it out and weld it back. Opinions? The hood hinge mounts are bent and the attachments are stripped. I tried to straighten in place but it kinked and needs to be removed.

[Kube]

I've done more of these than I care to recall. Cut it out very carefully and once you are happy with the repair, weld it back in.
I go the "extra mile" and file the weld(s) so they appear to be the authentic folded sheet metal.

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by Kube

I've done more of these than I care to recall. Cut it out very carefully and once you are happy with the repair, weld it back in.
I go the "extra mile" and file the weld(s) so they appear to be the authentic folded sheet metal.

Thanks too bad you aren't closer.

Bill

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by Kube

I've done more of these than I care to recall. Cut it out very carefully and once you are happy with the repair, weld it back in.
I go the "extra mile" and file the weld(s) so they appear to be the authentic folded sheet metal.

I hate to be a bother but do you have a preferred place to cut the cross brace? The flattest place right about where it touches the hood or somewhere in those stiffening undulations?

1, 2 or 3 in pic if it's there.

[Pete pa]

Don't cut the cross brace, drill out the spot welds where the brace meet the hood on both sides, drill straight thru both the hood and the brace, this way you have the holes to align the brace when you put it back in. In the center of the hood where the brace meets the center seam of the hood is a L shape bracket, drill those out also but leave the L shape bracket still welded to the hood. Kube was talking about the rear edge where the sheet metal is rolled over and meets the hinge bracket, those have to be cut with a cut off wheel. Also while you have the brace out, after you straighten and replace the Tee nuts mount the brace on the hinges and do your bending for the brace to fit the cowl, then make the hood fit the brace and weld it back in. Hope this helps

[BillW810]

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Originally Posted by Pete pa

Don't cut the cross brace, drill out the spot welds where the brace meet the hood on both sides, drill straight thru both the hood and the brace, this way you have the holes to align the brace when you put it back in. In the center of the hood where the brace meets the center seam of the hood is a L shape bracket, drill those out also but leave the L shape bracket still welded to the hood. Kube was talking about the rear edge where the sheet metal is rolled over and meets the hinge bracket, those have to be cut with a cut off wheel. Also while you have the brace out, after you straighten and replace the Tee nuts mount the brace on the hinges and do your bending for the brace to fit the cowl, then make the hood fit the brace and weld it back in. Hope this helps

It does help. Thanks. I bought this car because of the limited. Sheetmetal work. I didn't notice the bent/stripped hinge mounts. Turned into a bigger job than anticipated. But seeing what some of you guys start with I should be happy.

[Pete pa]

Looks like a good car, much better than I started with, my project is ruff but I like doing the sheetmetal work, it needed the complete floor and firewall and the quarters patches plus the door bottoms and rain gutters but it a coupe. Just take your time, it only metal make it do what you want it to do. If you have questions let me know.

[Kube]

I would like to suggest you listen to the advice given to you by Pete.
When you had stated you wanted to remove the hinge brace, well, I thought of the hinge brace.
When you added the photo in a later post, it has become apparent you want to remove the hood support brace.

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by Kube

I would like to suggest you listen to the advice given to you by Pete.
When you had stated you wanted to remove the hinge brace, well, I thought of the hinge brace.
When you added the photo in a later post, it has become apparent you want to remove the hood support brace.

I hadn't thought of just taking out the hinge plates not sure why. I'll have to look at this more. I guess I figured if the hinge plates were bent the cross brace was too. Something to look at closer.

Thanks

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by BillW810

I hadn't thought of just taking out the hinge plates not sure why. I'll have to look at this more. I guess I figured if the hinge plates were bent the cross brace was too. Something to look at closer.

Thanks

I am confused, not unusual. I think my problem with my hinge plates lies in a Ford mid year change. I have seen pics of late '39 and '40 hoods where the hinge plates are flat up against the hood sides. Looking at my hood I can't see that happening. I don't see how the cross brace would bend that much.

I found 2 pics of EARLY '39 hoods plus mine to reference. In all 3 of them the hinge plates do not touch the hood sides. Am I wrong and the hinge plates need to touch the hood? The third is my hood. Although the rust beneath the hinge plate is suspicious.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by BillW810

I am confused, not unusual. I think my problem with my hinge plates lies in a Ford mid year change. I have seen pics of late '39 and '40 hoods where the hinge plates are flat up against the hood sides. Looking at my hood I can't see that happening. I don't see how the cross brace would bend that much.

I found 2 pics of EARLY '39 hoods plus mine to reference. In all 3 of them the hinge plates do not touch the hood sides. Am I wrong and the hinge plates need to touch the hood? The third is my hood. Although the rust beneath the hinge plate is suspicious.

I have never heard of an early vs. late '39 deluxe hood. I keep learning and welcome and proof of such...

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by Kube

I have never heard of an early vs. late '39 deluxe hood. I keep learning and welcome and proof of such...

I know the hood latches are different. The early latch is 2 rods that grab on to tabs at the edge of the grill. Apparently it didn't work well so Ford introduced the '40 style mid year. You can sort of see them in the whole hood pic if you zero in on the nose.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by BillW810

I know the hood latches are different. The early latch is 2 rods that grab on to tabs at the edge of the grill. Apparently it didn't work well so Ford introduced the '40 style mid year. You can sort of see them in the whole hood pic if you zero in on the nose.

Yes, the latch assembly was changed. However, the hood (proper) remained identical.

[BillW810]

Originally Posted by Kube

Yes, the latch assembly was changed. However, the hood (proper) remained identical.

The cross brace is a little different too. The early hood had a smooth arc from to top to the side, pic 1. The later brace had a bend outward toward the hood side, pic 2, at the body line.

It does look like the early hinge plates do not come as close to the side as the later hood.

Bill