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Old 04-03-2020, 07:11 PM   #1
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Hello all. I recently bought what seems to be a mostly original 1928 Canadian Tudor. It has a black Ford radiator shell emblem, square screw heads, and Ford script bumper clamp bolts only on the rear. The fronts are smooth. As I was checking things out, I checked the engine number and see that it’s what appears to be “F88-27“
It seems that Canadian A’s that had and “F” in the engine number would have had an “AF”XXXX And they would have been designated as RHD, based upon my research. Does anyone have any info as to why it is stamped differently? Could it be that someone removed the original stamp and re-stamped it?
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Old 04-03-2020, 07:44 PM   #2
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That doesn't look like a factory stamp to me-more like it was done in someone's back yard. My understanding of Canadian engine numbering is that they start with a "C", then a number similar to what was used in the US. Eg, CA XXXX but the cars that came here had three letters before four digits. CAD XXXX, CAQ XXXX etc.
I've never seen or heard of a number like the one on that engine.
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Old 04-03-2020, 08:17 PM   #3
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You prompted me to look up a Canadian engine number I just found on an original registration document for a car my father bought in 1956. It is CA84604 (which seems to be January 1929 manufacture).
Found while cleaning out junk in our, so called "office", for a now at home worker yesterday.

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm#C5
Our Geelong Ford factory was owned by Ford of Canada.
This vehicle, on the document, says it is 1930 year of manufacture, vehicle number 4390, and was first registered on 15th December 1932.
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I think it was restamped at one point. Factory stamps produced a nice straight number -all numbers were pretty much straight across. Yours is kind of up and down.
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Old 04-03-2020, 08:51 PM   #5
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. I am wondering if since many Canadian A’s do not have a chassis stamp, depending on the equivalent to DMV office in the US, if Canada assigns a “VIN” of their own and stamped accordingly. I was told that the engine was rebuilt in the 1990s but I ha e not gotten as far as opening it up to see what’s what. Thanks
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Old 04-04-2020, 12:16 PM   #6
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What is the length of the engine pad?

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Old 04-04-2020, 10:26 PM   #7
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Thanks Steve. It looks to be 3 1/4”
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Thanks Steve. It looks to be 3 1/4

Ford started using that size about February 1, 1929.

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That is a re stamp, not a Ford Canada engine number. All engines stamped CA ...... up to 150,000 which was end of Aug. '29. From then on CAQ; CAW;CAE etc ending in CAD in Feb '32. These 3 digit blocks were in 10,000 batches.
No blocks were stamped with an F [ as in CAF] but some US blocks for export cars were. Ford US exported a large quantity of RHD vehicles to mostly Sth America, more than Canada RHD to British Commonwealth countries.
The Robertson bottom screw in your dash is incorrect size ; should be as the top one. Cheers.
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restamped.
every factory serial number I've seen was very tidy, not a haphazard mess like this number.
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Thanks for all the comments. Yeah it would appear it’s definitely a re-stamp and all the factory ones I’ve seen are straight as well. Thanks for the heads up on the screw too.
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Cars built in Canada, for Canada, were left-hand drive.
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Cars built in Canada, for Canada, were left-hand drive.
Ours were knock down, so I guess the workers didn't have to jump from one side of the assembly line to the other.
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Not all cars assembled in Canada were Left Hand Drive, some were Right Hand Drive.
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Not all cars assembled in Canada were Left Hand Drive, some were Right Hand Drive.
Ah, so they did have to jump from one side of the assembly line to the other.
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Here a list of the Canadian Engine numbers. Hope it helps. JP
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I noticed the distributor bolt is missing and upon further inspection, realized the cast boss is broken off at the top and side of the head. So as I began to research replacement cylinder heads, I realized that the head is a Ford script USA service replacement. With all this in mind, I began to put 2 and 2 together as I read over Vince Falter’s Diamond engine info on fordgarage.com. Sure enough! It has a diamond near the timing gear inspection cover and casting number L121 or L127 near the valve cover. So it appears this is a diamond service engine with a December 12, 1937 or 1941 (cannot make out which year exactly). This would explain the apparent blank engine serial number pad and wonky number stamped after the fact. It has .020" over pistons from a more recent rebuild with the crosshatch still visible in the cylinder walls.
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Old 05-10-2020, 06:53 PM   #18
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Here are some pics of what I found to lead to the conclusion I did. Also, I am wondering if anyone knows what the S and B stampings in the block deck surface may indicate...
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The s and b stampings I have seen on various gasket surfaces on Model A engines as well. I think it just might be a casting number or foundry mark.
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