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grumppyoldman · 09-22-2018, 01:47 PM

Got my new pin's and bushing's today, want to know best way to remove the tie rod ends. I can get the fork from O Riley's , but it seems to me like hammering on the linkage is not a good idea. If I jack one tire up, remove wheel and do one side then the other, will that keep it more solid? How do you guy's do it, I've never done this job before and want to do it right without destroying something else. Al

skidmarks · 09-22-2018, 01:54 PM

All kinds of ways without the fork. Put it on jack stands and then without the nut on the tie rod end you can put pressure against it with a floor jack then crack the side of the steering arm were the tierod goes through with a hammer and it will come out pretty easy.

If the kingpins are rough that could be a whole nother bag of worms getting them out if you have never done it.

grumppyoldman · 09-22-2018, 02:55 PM

Just looked at mine, the nut is on the top, so putting a jack under it will not work. This is on a 41 coupe, maybe it's different than what you have done before. Al

51 MERC-CT · 09-22-2018, 03:16 PM

Use two hammers, one to back up the opposite side of the steering arm while striking the other side.

Ronnie · 09-22-2018, 03:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsci-izhhc

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corvette8n · 09-22-2018, 04:19 PM

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Post some pictures along the way, as my '41 needs to be done also, Thanks

jimTN · 09-22-2018, 04:33 PM

Use two hammers line 51 Merc says. One backs it up and the other whaps the socket which will cause the tierod taper to loosen.

GB SISSON · 09-22-2018, 10:06 PM

I just use my inexpensive pickle fork. The miracle of the inclined plane. Done it dozens of times. No problems whatsoever. It's a good tool to have in one's kit.

Mart · 09-23-2018, 03:04 AM

I don't like the pickle forks as they damage the boot which is an MOT test failure here in the UK.

I have a tie rod end puller. Actually more of a pusher. you put it over the end of the steering arm and turn a screw to push the pin out.

This type works well:

Mine is more like this:

Just google tie rod separator and lots of choices should come up.

Mart.

GB SISSON · 09-23-2018, 08:17 AM

Well that makes sense Mart. And the screw thread on those tools is also an inclined plane with a nice low angle.

grumppyoldman · 09-23-2018, 09:45 AM

I like the looks of that one Mart, no hammering, or damanging the rubber seal. I'll see if I can find one. Thanks .Al

Drbrown · 09-23-2018, 09:51 AM

I rented the tie rod/ball joint tool kit for free from AdvanceAuto. Believe Auto Zone also does.

Mart · 09-23-2018, 10:00 AM

The one in the upper picture is a good type for early Fords as it will get the tie rod end off the passenger side better than the one in the lower pic. (The forward one of the two holes).

grumppyoldman · 09-23-2018, 10:11 AM

What size is the tie rod, I found listings for 19mm and 21mm. Which one will fit my 41. Al

grumppyoldman · 09-23-2018, 11:22 AM

I ordered the top one since it's universal, sounds like a strong tool, thanks Mart. I'm having to take the spindles off to get the new bushings honed, BTW the new set of king pins I got from Speedway have hardened pins. Hope this get's rid of the shimmy. Al

eddie48 · 09-23-2018, 11:58 AM

When using the upper tool, I found that, to my surprise, if you load it up (tighten the screw) and let it sit for a minute or two, it suddenly pops loose. No need to tighten more and more til it breaks loose.

19Fordy · 09-23-2018, 12:59 PM

Reassemble with a dab of anti-seize.

grumppyoldman · 09-23-2018, 01:46 PM

Thanks for the help, I can't believe that at my age and working on cars all my life that I hadn't done tie rod ends, live and learn. Al

Kube · 09-23-2018, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

I don't like the pickle forks as they damage the boot which is an MOT test failure here in the UK.

I have a tie rod end puller. Actually more of a pusher. you put it over the end of the steering arm and turn a screw to push the pin out.

This type works well:

Mine is more like this:

Just google tie rod separator and lots of choices should come up.

Mart.

Mart, way back in the 70's at GM school, we were taught to NEVER use a fork for numerous reasons. I have always used a tool quite similar to the (lower) one depicted in your post. Great tool that will NOT damage a tie rod end nor any boot.

Kahuna · 09-23-2018, 02:20 PM

Actually, you can get good tools like shown above from Harbor Freight

09-22-2018, 01:47 PM	#1
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Changing king pins and bushings Got my new pin's and bushing's today, want to know best way to remove the tie rod ends. I can get the fork from O Riley's , but it seems to me like hammering on the linkage is not a good idea. If I jack one tire up, remove wheel and do one side then the other, will that keep it more solid? How do you guy's do it, I've never done this job before and want to do it right without destroying something else. Al

09-22-2018, 01:54 PM	#2
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: Changing king pins and bushings All kinds of ways without the fork. Put it on jack stands and then without the nut on the tie rod end you can put pressure against it with a floor jack then crack the side of the steering arm were the tierod goes through with a hammer and it will come out pretty easy. If the kingpins are rough that could be a whole nother bag of worms getting them out if you have never done it.

09-22-2018, 02:55 PM	#3
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Just looked at mine, the nut is on the top, so putting a jack under it will not work. This is on a 41 coupe, maybe it's different than what you have done before. Al

09-22-2018, 03:16 PM	#4
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Use two hammers, one to back up the opposite side of the steering arm while striking the other side. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

09-22-2018, 03:38 PM	#5
Ronnie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Where it snows Posts: 2,058	Re: Changing king pins and bushings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsci-izhhc R

09-22-2018, 04:19 PM	#6
corvette8n Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 36 miles north of Albany NY Posts: 2,949	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Post some pictures along the way, as my '41 needs to be done also, Thanks Last edited by corvette8n; 09-25-2018 at 08:04 AM.

09-22-2018, 04:33 PM	#7
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Use two hammers line 51 Merc says. One backs it up and the other whaps the socket which will cause the tierod taper to loosen.

09-22-2018, 10:06 PM	#8
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,927	Re: Changing king pins and bushings I just use my inexpensive pickle fork. The miracle of the inclined plane. Done it dozens of times. No problems whatsoever. It's a good tool to have in one's kit. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

09-23-2018, 03:04 AM	#9
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,749	Re: Changing king pins and bushings I don't like the pickle forks as they damage the boot which is an MOT test failure here in the UK. I have a tie rod end puller. Actually more of a pusher. you put it over the end of the steering arm and turn a screw to push the pin out. This type works well: Mine is more like this: Just google tie rod separator and lots of choices should come up. Mart.

09-23-2018, 08:17 AM	#10
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,927	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Well that makes sense Mart. And the screw thread on those tools is also an inclined plane with a nice low angle. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

09-23-2018, 09:45 AM	#11
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Changing king pins and bushings I like the looks of that one Mart, no hammering, or damanging the rubber seal. I'll see if I can find one. Thanks .Al

09-23-2018, 09:51 AM	#12
Drbrown Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Glens Falls NY Posts: 1,267	Re: Changing king pins and bushings I rented the tie rod/ball joint tool kit for free from AdvanceAuto. Believe Auto Zone also does.

09-23-2018, 10:00 AM	#13
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,749	Re: Changing king pins and bushings The one in the upper picture is a good type for early Fords as it will get the tie rod end off the passenger side better than the one in the lower pic. (The forward one of the two holes).

09-23-2018, 10:11 AM	#14
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Changing king pins and bushings What size is the tie rod, I found listings for 19mm and 21mm. Which one will fit my 41. Al

09-23-2018, 11:22 AM	#15
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Changing king pins and bushings I ordered the top one since it's universal, sounds like a strong tool, thanks Mart. I'm having to take the spindles off to get the new bushings honed, BTW the new set of king pins I got from Speedway have hardened pins. Hope this get's rid of the shimmy. Al

09-23-2018, 11:58 AM	#16
eddie48 Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Eastern CT Posts: 45	Re: Changing king pins and bushings When using the upper tool, I found that, to my surprise, if you load it up (tighten the screw) and let it sit for a minute or two, it suddenly pops loose. No need to tighten more and more til it breaks loose.

09-23-2018, 12:59 PM	#17
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,936	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Reassemble with a dab of anti-seize.

09-23-2018, 01:46 PM	#18
grumppyoldman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Gulf Coast Posts: 727	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Thanks for the help, I can't believe that at my age and working on cars all my life that I hadn't done tie rod ends, live and learn. Al

09-23-2018, 02:20 PM	#20
Kahuna Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 2,617	Re: Changing king pins and bushings Actually, you can get good tools like shown above from Harbor Freight