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cpkphil · 11-10-2011, 11:07 PM

Does anyone have anything that SHOWS the differences between a 1937 convertible frame and closed car frames?? I have descriptions, but I can't see any differences when I look at frames?? Thanx PG

JM 35 Sedan · 11-10-2011, 11:37 PM

PG, I don't have anything that shows the differences but have two thoughts:

Contact Westcott who makes fiberglass bodies and ask him. He has picture specs of early Ford frames on his website.

Also, have you checked for those specs on frame differences in the 1937 Ford book published by the EFV8C/A?

ford38v8 · 11-11-2011, 01:51 AM

PG, check this link to Westcott. This bluepring shows the crossmember with text identifying it as the convertible piece. I'm not sure of all the years it was used, but it is on my '38 convertible also.

http://www.wescottsauto.com/WebCatal...ram1935-40.pdf

J.A.Miller · 11-11-2011, 08:24 AM

PG, as ford38v8 said, there is an extra crossmember to provide additional support at the rear of the cowl where the door jambs with the door hinges mount. I also remember reading where the frames or X members are 1 gage thicker steel on open cars and station wagons. My 39 conv has the extra supports by the cowl.
Jim

Dak Rat · 11-11-2011, 08:32 AM

Yes, the open car frames are a thicker gauge. 1/2 ton commercial frames are also the thicker gauge and can be substituted if you don't have an original open car frame by adding the body mounts to the outside of the frame rails. I did this and it worked well.

cpkphil · 11-12-2011, 04:48 PM

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from what I have gleaned so far, only the crossmembers are supposed to be a heavier gauge steel. As far as that cross bracing only for convertibles, what is it, an angle, a channel? Where is it welded, even with the top flange of the side rail, the bottom or on the web in between the flanges? Thanx PG

J.A.Miller · 11-15-2011, 07:57 AM

PG, If you go to www.precisioncoachworks.com and click Ford parts then Ford parts catalog and scroll down to the photo section you will see the cowl supports- part # pc113/114. They are riveted between the frame and crossmember as shown in the wescott frame drawing. Jim

http://www.precisioncoachworks.com

When you get to the Ford parts catalog page you have to scroll down a bit as there is a large blank space at the top.

cpkphil · 11-16-2011, 04:22 PM

Great, I see those items. I see about where they go on that diagram but how do they mount onto the frame Thanx PG

J.A.Miller · 11-17-2011, 08:23 AM

PG, I'm pretty sure that they are riveted to the frame and crossmember.
I'll look tonight to see for sure. Jim

37ford4dr · 11-17-2011, 09:09 AM

my 37 frame has lots of holes in it that arent used....i bet the holes for the rivets are already there

11-10-2011, 11:07 PM	#1
cpkphil Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3	1937 frame Does anyone have anything that SHOWS the differences between a 1937 convertible frame and closed car frames?? I have descriptions, but I can't see any differences when I look at frames?? Thanx PG

11-10-2011, 11:37 PM	#2
JM 35 Sedan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland Posts: 10,858	Re: 1937 frame PG, I don't have anything that shows the differences but have two thoughts: Contact Westcott who makes fiberglass bodies and ask him. He has picture specs of early Ford frames on his website. Also, have you checked for those specs on frame differences in the 1937 Ford book published by the EFV8C/A? __________________ *John* *"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein*

11-11-2011, 01:51 AM	#3
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,644	Re: 1937 frame PG, check this link to Westcott. This bluepring shows the crossmember with text identifying it as the convertible piece. I'm not sure of all the years it was used, but it is on my '38 convertible also. http://www.wescottsauto.com/WebCatal...ram1935-40.pdf __________________ Alan

11-11-2011, 08:24 AM	#4
J.A.Miller Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6	Re: 1937 frame PG, as ford38v8 said, there is an extra crossmember to provide additional support at the rear of the cowl where the door jambs with the door hinges mount. I also remember reading where the frames or X members are 1 gage thicker steel on open cars and station wagons. My 39 conv has the extra supports by the cowl. Jim

11-11-2011, 08:32 AM	#5
Dak Rat Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Minot, ND Posts: 217	Re: 1937 frame Yes, the open car frames are a thicker gauge. 1/2 ton commercial frames are also the thicker gauge and can be substituted if you don't have an original open car frame by adding the body mounts to the outside of the frame rails. I did this and it worked well.

11-12-2011, 04:48 PM	#6
cpkphil Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3	Re: 1937 frame Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) from what I have gleaned so far, only the crossmembers are supposed to be a heavier gauge steel. As far as that cross bracing only for convertibles, what is it, an angle, a channel? Where is it welded, even with the top flange of the side rail, the bottom or on the web in between the flanges? Thanx PG

11-15-2011, 07:57 AM	#7
J.A.Miller Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6	Re: 1937 frame PG, If you go to www.precisioncoachworks.com and click Ford parts then Ford parts catalog and scroll down to the photo section you will see the cowl supports- part # pc113/114. They are riveted between the frame and crossmember as shown in the wescott frame drawing. Jim http://www.precisioncoachworks.com When you get to the Ford parts catalog page you have to scroll down a bit as there is a large blank space at the top.

11-16-2011, 04:22 PM	#8
cpkphil Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 3	Re: 1937 frame Great, I see those items. I see about where they go on that diagram but how do they mount onto the frame Thanx PG

11-17-2011, 08:23 AM	#9
J.A.Miller Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6	Re: 1937 frame PG, I'm pretty sure that they are riveted to the frame and crossmember. I'll look tonight to see for sure. Jim

11-17-2011, 09:09 AM	#10
37ford4dr Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: arlington va Posts: 185	Re: 1937 frame my 37 frame has lots of holes in it that arent used....i bet the holes for the rivets are already there