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04-28-2020, 11:41 PM | #1 |
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Serial number curiosity
Bored waiting for parts to arrive to finish rebuilding my rear end and I started looking into the serial numbers on the car. Im a little puzzled as to what is up if anyone may know?
The body is 1938 ford deluxe Fordor. The rear is 1938 ford. The serial number on the left frame rail matches the serial number on the trans but according to vp and other websites it is a 1936 Lincoln zephyr serial number. Is the frame of a 1936 Lincoln zephyr compatible with 1938 ford deluxe Fordor body? Or did someone add the serial number on the frame to match the trans? Any guess? The trans serial number is H14696(star) but on the frame is (star)H(star)14696(star) |
04-28-2020, 11:48 PM | #2 |
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Re: Serial number curiosity
I'm no expert, but they do not look like the font
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04-29-2020, 12:06 AM | #3 |
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J...…….That stamping DOES appear to match the EARLY font that Ford used up until early '38 I believe it was, when the more-secure font was introduced, as seen here compliments of Mac VanPelt.
We know that the serial numbers were first stamped on the transmission, and THAT transmission number was then stamped on the chassis that it ended-up being installed in. I wonder if possibly that trans ended-up on a V8 engine after it was removed from a possibly defective or damaged Zephyr V-12. The bolt patterns are the same! That number equates to a very late production '36 Lincoln Zephyr. It's possible that trans was removed from the Lincoln block, sat in a "holding for disposition" area until someone (MANY months later) said bolt that trans to a NEW V8 coming down the line, and get it outa here! Henry wasted NOTHING!! DD Last edited by V8COOPMAN; 04-29-2020 at 12:18 AM. |
04-29-2020, 08:12 AM | #4 |
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With respect, notice to the dealers of that change in the font for 1, 6, and 9 took place in the February, 1931 Service Bulletin, more than a year before the production of the first V8. I do not know if an additional change took place in 1938 or later, but its highly unlikely that Ford reverted to the pre-'31 font that shows on the subject transmission.
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04-29-2020, 08:40 AM | #6 |
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Also, Is that how a Lincoln number appears with a star on each side of the H? Was this car built in Canada? I had a 33 frame from Canada that the VIN started with C18H.This certainly brings up lots of questions. It is also possible someone with at 36 Lincoln title stamped those numbers on the car they had no title to so it could be sold to a Canadian and taken across the border. The people checking don't know an old Ford from a Lincoln and only look at the numbers. |
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David.....I know that you're correct on that 1931 date, and I knew that my '38 date just didn't sound right when I wrote it, AND....it was past my bedtime when I wrote that. Sorry for any serious confusion, folks! This one is all conjecture and supposition at this point, anyway! What do I know? DD |
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The registration and insurance has the body serial number not the frame number. Registration says 38 Ford Fordor. The motor from what I can tell is a 1946 v8 flathead possibly a merc. Heads say C59A, distributor is 1946 with rabbit ear cap, block is dark green. The only markings on block are right side of bell housing is a circle with raised J 15 G(or 6)(hard to make out) with a large "1" beside the circle. On the bottom right side of the block by the petcock is raised J 5. Anyone have a Lincoln you can tell me if your frame serial number has a star on either side of the H? If i get ambitious maybe I'll try to get access to the other 2 frame numbers... |
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04-29-2020, 10:19 AM | #9 |
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i've never seen one with a third star in the middle. should be a dash, or a double arrow there.
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What do you mean by "body serial number"? I'm not familiar with that term.
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04-29-2020, 10:53 AM | #11 |
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Mike,
Ford of Canada did not produce Lincoln automobiles during the period in question. It is only in very recent times some Lincolns have been assembled at the Oakville, Ontario plant, namely the MKT and MKX (renamed Nautilus for the 2020 model year). |
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Should'a, would'a, could'a! No matter how THIS one turns-out, there's one fact we should all NEVER forget....and that is that these numbers are ALL hand-stamped...by HUMANOIDS! It doesn't matter that there were rules and procedures in place for stamping all those numbers, because SOME human somewhere is gonna momentarily forget, overlook, disregard, re-invent, experiment with, be distracted from, or just downright don't give a crap about "the rules" for stamping numbers the way they SHOULD be. It's just one element of the way that God designed the human equation to function. So, any STAMPED number on these old used cars SHOULD be expected to follow published form...…….or not! DD |
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I have read some info regarding body serial numbers but they never match frame and trans numbers. |
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04-29-2020, 11:05 AM | #14 |
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What is the location of this "body number" and what is the prefix of the number? Does it have stars in front and back? Or is was that number placed on the body by a state motor vehicle department?
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04-29-2020, 11:34 AM | #15 |
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Interesting if that is the number that is displayed as the VIN on your title instead of what is stamped on the frame and transmission. Wonder why that was done. Did the car have a Canadian or US title when you purchased it, and was that the accepted VIN at that time? Pretty unusual situation.
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“a few closed cars (1940) have been witnessed with numbers stamped in to their dash panel sheet metal. The coupe I am currently restoring has this - I've zero clue what the numbers signify.” |
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04-29-2020, 05:21 PM | #19 |
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Ford of Canada used H as a prefix in 1938 so it's definitely a Canadian car. Here is a link.
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04-29-2020, 06:39 PM | #20 |
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Most Canadian Ford-built bodies had their body number stamped into the firewall with no stars before or after.
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