Burtz Engine

[mill48]

Who on here bought the new Burtz
engine and can tell me
what additional parts I
will need?

[alexiskai]

http://www.modelaengine.com/new-engi...ers-guide.html

[goodcar]

Originally Posted by alexiskai

http://www.modelaengine.com/new-engi...ers-guide.html

Cool

[Chris Haynes]

You will need every part except the block, crank, and rods.

[shew01]

https://burtzblock.com/


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[mill48]

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I'm not a mechanic and I was more or less looking for a parts list that I can order from.

[mill48]

I am not looking for speed. I'm trying to get the parts to build an engine from the new block. My mechanic will be assembling the engine

[Stretch Cab]

If I were you I would probably take whatever information you get here back to your mechanic and discuss with him your "wants and needs". Unless going completely stock everyone has their idea of how an engine should be built.

[nkaminar]

In my opinion, setting up a Burtz block as completely stock is a waste of the block. The bottom end is so strong compared to an original block that any modifications will not effect the reliability. At least put a high compression head on it.

I have an engine that has very good parts on it and I plan to swap out a lot of the parts, such as the manifolds, head, oil pump, carburetor, flywheel, etc. Not the pistons and rings and gaskets, of course. And I will use new items like the clutch disk, throwout bearing, pilot bearing, etc.

[Ernie Vitucci]

Sooner or later, one of the major parts suppliers will develop a package of parts and pieces to assemble a fairly stock Burtz block with most likely a 6.0 head. They will put a price on it and sell it as a package...People will buy the package...then the other suppliers will follow along. Terry might even put such a list together in partnership with one of the parts suppliers...Another Barn member took a shot at such a list a while back and made a guess that a comlete engine was in the $7,000 + - range...Ernie in Arizona

[Gold Digger]

I would like to see some reliable engine builder build new engines using the new Burt's block and parts. Seems like that could be a good business.

[shew01]

Originally Posted by Gold Digger

I would like to see some reliable engine builder build new engines using the new Burt's block and parts. Seems like that could be a good business.

I agree. I think I would be interested in that as well when it comes time for engine work on my car.


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[lotsagas4u]

Originally Posted by Gold Digger

I would like to see some reliable engine builder build new engines using the new Burt's block and parts. Seems like that could be a good business.

Bert's in Colorado had one in stock a few weeks back.

[Bruce of MN]

Ha, pretty soon, there'll be a glut of Burtz crate engines and they'll be going for $4000!

[updraught]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1123377268114692/
There is a list of parts and other info on the facebook page.

List of builders. Best to use someone that knows what they are doing i'd say.
https://burtzblock.com/distributors-builders/

[2935ford]

Originally Posted by Gold Digger

I would like to see some reliable engine builder build new engines using the new Burt's block and parts. Seems like that could be a good business.

Keep your eye open for Paul Shinn.......he will be putting one together and video for us all to see.

[Bruce of MN]

Originally Posted by updraught

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1123377268114692/
There is a list of parts and other info on the facebook page.

What specific page?

[Russ/40]

Originally Posted by 2935ford

Keep your eye open for Paul Shinn.......he will be putting one together and video for us all to see.

It has already become a new enterprise for builders.

[updraught]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

What specific page?

Search the group for "parts list" and the top one is a list from Snyders.

[Lawrie]

Dont forget the EGGE pistons, these were what the bores are honed for, and get the modern thin ring ones, then get total seal rings for NO leakage, get a specialty motor cams camshaft, and 6,2 head,
A 97 carb and that engine will surprise you.
Lawrie

[Bruce of MN]

Originally Posted by updraught

Search the group for "parts list" and the top one is a list from Snyders.

Thanks, I found this, is that what you had in mind?

[RickInVA]

Oil pump question. On the Burtz site there is a guide for modifying a stock oil pump to use on the engine. These insturctiions are to inlarge many of the openings on the stock pump. I was taught that a gear pump was a positive displacement pump. As long as the rpm remained fixed so does the output remain fixed. By changing various orfices you can change the velocity of fluid but not the volume. If this is the case, what do you achieve by opening up passageways other than slowing down the flow while the flow capicity remains the same. Granted, the physics class was long ago and I dont remember crap but i would like some help in understanding what is going on.

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by RickInVA

Oil pump question. On the Burtz site there is a guide for modifying a stock oil pump to use on the engine. These insturctiions are to inlarge many of the openings on the stock pump. I was taught that a gear pump was a positive displacement pump. As long as the rpm remained fixed so does the output remain fixed. By changing various orfices you can change the velocity of fluid but not the volume. If this is the case, what do you achieve by opening up passageways other than slowing down the flow while the flow capicity remains the same. Granted, the physics class was long ago and I dont remember crap but i would like some help in understanding what is going on.

I think the general idea is that, by widening the intake area, you expose the vanes of the pump to the oil sump for a longer amount of time on each rotation, which helps to ensure that the volume between the vanes is filled with oil. If you visualize a positive displacement pump spinning, but with only a tiny hole between it and the sump, you can see how the pump could potentially spin too fast for the liquid to flow into and fill up the empty volume in the pump.

[GRutter]

Originally Posted by alexiskai

I think the general idea is that, by widening the intake area, you expose the vanes of the pump to the oil sump for a longer amount of time on each rotation, which helps to ensure that the volume between the vanes is filled with oil. If you visualize a positive displacement pump spinning, but with only a tiny hole between it and the sump, you can see how the pump could potentially spin too fast for the liquid to flow into and fill up the empty volume in the pump.

I have had the same thoughts as the OP. Why not just increase the inlet opening size? The outlet side is fed by positive displacement, so the flow rate would increase, but the volume it pumps will always be determined by the speed of rotation. I don't see any recommendations for a modification of the screen size to insure adequate flow to the inlet gears. It is puzzling to me

[Synchro909]

I don't read German (I think it's German any way) but check this out. It hasn't taken long.
https://www.prewarcar.com/329730-for...athead-hot-rod

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I can. Google translate:

We, the Meijerink company based in the Netherlands, have been active in
the field of engine repairs since 1960. Very early on, we got involved in the field of repairing engines of
classic vehicles such as the Model A, at a time when many of today's
classic cars were not even built. Our newest division in the field of classic engines is the construction
and sale of new and improved engines for the famous Model A, the
so-called "Burtz Engine". You may be wondering who or what is a "Burtz Engine"? The American Terry Burtz further developed the Model A engine. From
the outside, the engine looks almost like a normal Model A engine as
it was built from 1928 to 1931. However, as always, it is the inner values ​​that count and with the
Burtz engine they are: •5-bearing crankshaft •5-bearing camshaft •Improved intake ports for better cylinder filling •Full pressure oil lubrication on main and connecting rod bearings • Modern, hardened exhaust valve seats (suitable for lead-free) • Modern sealing system (“simmer rings”) •Crankshaft and connecting rods with modern interchangeable and
heavy-duty bearing shells •Crankshaft balanced and fitted with balancing weights Because of these improvements, the “Burtz” engines are also perfect for
fast made Model A's. Furthermore, there are no longer any problems with cracks or total
losses due to aging of the 100-year-old material. In addition, the engines are compatible with almost all parts of the
old Model A engine such as heads or intake manifolds. We offer these engines as a kit for commercial customers such as engine
repair shops or car workshops with the necessary machinery for assembling engines. However, on request we also offer the engines completely assembled
including a test run and guarantee for private customers or end
customers. The basic kit of a Burtz engine includes the following components: As described: the improved engine block with 5 main bearings built-in camshaft bearings

Crankshaft with balancing weights Improved and reinforced connecting rods (including connecting rod bushes) Modern valve guides and hardened exhaust valve seats thrust washers All other required components can of course also be purchased from us
and are perfectly matched to the engine. If you have any questions or suggestions, you are welcome to call us,
our German employee will be happy to help you. Our telephone number is
0031 53 43 19914. We can be reached from Monday to Friday from 8 a.m.
to 4 p.m. We look forward to your call.

Furthermore, we have the representation for •FS- Ignitions electronic ignitions for A-Ford • Stromberg carburettors and ignitions • Burn's Manifolds •BM4 (Alusidecover for Model A and Model B and water nozzle) We also deliver: •New cast aluminum flywheel housings for Model A and Model B "Made in
Europe" • Valves "Made in Europe" hardened design •Main and connecting rod bearings for engines •Improved pistons "Made in Europe" •Improved reinforced head gaskets "Made In Europe" •Heavy duty oil pumps

[Synchro909]

I find it interesting that they emphasise that so many of the components are Made in Europe (last paragraph) rather than using US made stuff. Then there is the fact that the engines are made in China because Terry couldn't find anybody in the US able to do it. It seems the only US input for these engines is Terry's design and initiative.
Thanks for the google translation, Glynn.

[Model A Ron]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

Ha, pretty soon, there'll be a glut of Burtz crate engines and they'll be going for $4000!

Go with an original engine and keep your historical Model A MADE IN USA in my opinion. Part of the charm of a Model A is the engine and it was never designed to pull 200 plus horsepower.

[Bruce of MN]

Originally Posted by Model A Ron

designed to pull 200 plus horsepower.

Ron, that neutralized your assertion!

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by Model A Ron

Go with an original engine and keep your historical Model A MADE IN USA in my opinion. Part of the charm of a Model A is the engine and it was never designed to pull 200 plus horsepower.

Not all Model As were made in USA from what I have read.