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Steve Plucker · 05-17-2010, 08:10 AM

Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards...

I am courious as to how many who are building fine point vehicles, and knowingly that the standards are being revised...how many are kind of holding back your restorations until the new standards are out?

OR are you going through with it anyway only to change things later?

Pluck

Steve Ciccalone · 05-17-2010, 08:46 AM

Pluck, its my understanding is that after a revision issue, there is a "grace period" for cars undergoing resto to be finished per the earlier standard so there should be no reason for someone to hold up if they are reasonably along in the process. I have some very mild concern as I'm starting to do some components for two very early cars that I could potentially have to do over later on depending on what the JS state, however, there still is variences that could be granted by the MARC/MAFCA JSCs.

peters180a/170b · 05-17-2010, 06:05 PM

Grace period i believe is 2 years after the revision is issued .So maybe your looking at 4 years from now? L.O.L. ..I wanted to install the CORRECT pop-out for my car "BUT" was told it is not in the standards yet. So until they do a revision i can not place the correct switch in.And yes i asked for a varience at the upcoming MARC meet and the answer was [not to confuse the judges] ??? by installing the correct pop-out in yet... [So Steve that was my answer from the MARC judge to the varience... I plan on installing the correct pop-out after the meet.. With the early key style.

Roadster62 · 05-17-2010, 06:44 PM

As a retired AACA Judge of 30 years I've always wondered what it is like restoring a car to MARC standards. I'm guessing reading the Judging Standards would make my head explode.

Steve Ciccalone · 05-17-2010, 07:09 PM

In terms of building a fine point car, I think doing a Model A is the hardest thing in the world. Model T's and EV8 Fords are probably a close second. However, those clubs are spread out over many years while the A is concentrated in four. Other marques aren't even in the discussion.

Roadster62 · 05-17-2010, 08:10 PM

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As an outsider looking in are there more fine point restoratuions taking place now or is the Golden Era some were in the past? I can remember guys stockpileing NOS parts in the 1970's for that perfect restoration. Has the time come when cars are being RErestored? I could always pick out a MARC winner on an AACA show field from 20 feet away, so I know there is a big differance in the quality of a MARC restoration.

Steve Ciccalone · 05-17-2010, 08:27 PM

I own two A's that were the former top MARC cars in 1975 (best of show, also top) and 1994 (Henry Ford Award, also top MAFCA car), neither done my me. The quality of the parts are exceptional, NOS this and that, etc. The parts alone couldn't be bought today for what I paid for the cars. Fairly recently, a very nice former MARC of Excellence car was bought and "re-restored" and won a Henry for the current owner. My '75 car, a 150-B could be upgraded to a Henry today for a fraction of the cost of starting from scratch. I will not do it out of respect for the former owner but it is now being "freshened up" to me my prime driver. These cars could be picked apart now on minutia like nut and bolt finishes based on what we have collectively learned over the years but they still remain fine cars. Here's a photo of the '29 oval window ('94).

Roadster62 · 05-17-2010, 09:04 PM

That looks like a very happy Model A , with nice stable mates.

peters180a/170b · 05-18-2010, 05:29 AM

I always liked Pete Brewers woodie . Hope someone saved that one ? l.o l.

05-17-2010, 08:10 AM	#1
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards... I am courious as to how many who are building fine point vehicles, and knowingly that the standards are being revised...how many are kind of holding back your restorations until the new standards are out? OR are you going through with it anyway only to change things later? Pluck

05-17-2010, 08:46 AM	#2
Steve Ciccalone Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: "Live Free or Die!" Posts: 510	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... Pluck, its my understanding is that after a revision issue, there is a "grace period" for cars undergoing resto to be finished per the earlier standard so there should be no reason for someone to hold up if they are reasonably along in the process. I have some very mild concern as I'm starting to do some components for two very early cars that I could potentially have to do over later on depending on what the JS state, however, there still is variences that could be granted by the MARC/MAFCA JSCs.

05-17-2010, 06:05 PM	#3
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... Grace period i believe is 2 years after the revision is issued .So maybe your looking at 4 years from now? L.O.L. ..I wanted to install the CORRECT pop-out for my car "BUT" was told it is not in the standards yet. So until they do a revision i can not place the correct switch in.And yes i asked for a varience at the upcoming MARC meet and the answer was [not to confuse the judges] ??? by installing the correct pop-out in yet... [So Steve that was my answer from the MARC judge to the varience... I plan on installing the correct pop-out after the meet.. With the early key style.

05-17-2010, 06:44 PM	#4
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... As a retired AACA Judge of 30 years I've always wondered what it is like restoring a car to MARC standards. I'm guessing reading the Judging Standards would make my head explode.

05-17-2010, 07:09 PM	#5
Steve Ciccalone Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: "Live Free or Die!" Posts: 510	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... In terms of building a fine point car, I think doing a Model A is the hardest thing in the world. Model T's and EV8 Fords are probably a close second. However, those clubs are spread out over many years while the A is concentrated in four. Other marques aren't even in the discussion.

05-17-2010, 08:10 PM	#6
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) As an outsider looking in are there more fine point restoratuions taking place now or is the Golden Era some were in the past? I can remember guys stockpileing NOS parts in the 1970's for that perfect restoration. Has the time come when cars are being RErestored? I could always pick out a MARC winner on an AACA show field from 20 feet away, so I know there is a big differance in the quality of a MARC restoration.

05-17-2010, 09:04 PM	#8
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... That looks like a very happy Model A , with nice stable mates.

05-18-2010, 05:29 AM	#9
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: The NEW updated and revised MARC/MAFCA... I always liked Pete Brewers woodie . Hope someone saved that one ? l.o l.