Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-23-2020, 06:40 PM   #21
nkaminar
Senior Member
 
nkaminar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 168
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

My opinion has changed over the last 60 years. As a teenager I was an advocate of bone stock. Now I am with CarlG and others that modifications that improve reliability and safety, and that do not take away from the Model A experience, are OK. Especially modifications that increase safety, like turn indicators and improvements to the brakes. I am not going to criticize others who want to do more radical modifications or even hot rod a car, but it is not for me.
__________________
A is for apple, green as the sky.
Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die.
Forget the brakes, they really don't work.
The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk.
My car grows red hair, and flies through the air.
Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.
nkaminar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 08:59 PM   #22
700rpm
Senior Member
 
700rpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 5,423
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Almost the first question I get when my coupe is parked is, "Does it have a rumble seat?” No, it doesn’t. I changed the rumble seat in my ‘29 54A back to a trunk, as it had when it came from the factory. Rumble seats are not safe nor easy to get in and out of unless you’re under 35, under 6’ tall, and/or weigh less than 180 lbs, and a trunk is much more practical with the small seating up front. Like my other A’s, I made the safety changes, but I love the trunk. It just looks right!
__________________
Ray Horton, Portland, OR


As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.
700rpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 11-24-2020, 12:50 AM   #23
estrangedcc
Senior Member
 
estrangedcc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 126
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

I like them all!
__________________
estrangedcc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 08:46 AM   #24
BRENT in 10-uh-C
Senior Member
 
BRENT in 10-uh-C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eastern Tennessee
Posts: 9,740
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nkaminar View Post
My opinion has changed over the last 60 years. As a teenager I was an advocate of bone stock. Now I am with CarlG and others that modifications that improve reliability and safety, and that do not take away from the Model A experience, are OK. Especially modifications that increase safety, like turn indicators and improvements to the brakes. I am not going to criticize others who want to do more radical modifications or even hot rod a car, but it is not for me.
There is a real irony in many hobbyist's perception that often things are done to improve safety and/or reliability. When you stop to study those comments, it should quickly be a realization that these cars were very reliable in stock form which is the main reason why they are still with us today. So often, components such as electronic ignition systems, modern steering gearboxes, alternators, et/al as installed under the auspice that it was done to 'make their Model-A a reliable driver' when for 50 years prior, the very same cars were very reliable drivers without those 'upgrades'.

From a safety standpoint, some will argue that cast iron drums are a must when driving today. When you take a moment to consider that original steel drums that are within factory specs will stop well enough to slide the wheels/tires, it begs the question of whether cast drums are really needed. So on that note, most people do not drive their A as it was designed for, -or intended. Therefore it really isn't a safety issue but more of a compensation for poor driving habits. Always descending a hill in the same gear that you would go up the hill is the proper way to preserve brakes. Not charging up to a stop sign or traffic signal before applying the brakes is the proper driving method. I have found that a stock braking system that is properly adjusted can make multiple hard braking stops without any appreciable brake fading. So it isn't that the cast iron drums are needed as a safety item, -it is they are needed to replace worn factory components or to replace prudent driving.
__________________
.

BRENT in 10-uh-C
.
www.model-a-ford.com
...(...Finally Updated!! )

.
BRENT in 10-uh-C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 10:01 AM   #25
Licensed to kill
Senior Member
 
Licensed to kill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Alberta
Posts: 916
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 700rpm View Post
Almost the first question I get when my coupe is parked is, "Does it have a rumble seat?” No, it doesn’t. I changed the rumble seat in my ‘29 54A back to a trunk, as it had when it came from the factory. Rumble seats are not safe nor easy to get in and out of unless you’re under 35, under 6’ tall, and/or weigh less than 180 lbs, and a trunk is much more practical with the small seating up front. Like my other A’s, I made the safety changes, but I love the trunk. It just looks right!
Why do you say "Rumble seats are not safe"?.
Licensed to kill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 10:09 AM   #26
denis4x4
Senior Member
 
denis4x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Durango CO
Posts: 1,176
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Brent said, "There is a real irony in many hobbyist's perception that often things are done to improve safety and/or reliability".



Brent's post is right to a point. All of the things he mentions are correct....for driving in the 1930's! Durango is a tourist town with a heavy dose of bicyclists that are immune to traffic laws. It's a 40+ mile round trip to the bank and I need to not only keep up with traffic, but watch out for stupid drivers. In Colorado, the law says you have to pull over if five or more cars are behind you on mountain passes. If you're driving a stock A to Silverton, it will take all day on a two lane road.


Again, I don't dispute Brent's points. However there is a lot of difference between driving an A in the thirties then it is today.
__________________
No restorable Model A's were harmed in the building of this truck!
denis4x4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 01:16 PM   #27
McMimmcs
Senior Member
 
McMimmcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Pigeon Forge, Tennessee
Posts: 1,038
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

The big radial tires are an immediate indication that this vehicle is not original. And guess what, it’s not!
McMimmcs is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 04:17 AM   #28
Chris Haynes
Senior Member
 
Chris Haynes's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: North Hills, CA and Pine Grove, CA
Posts: 2,536
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

When I got my first A in 1962 I always wanted a Riley head and juice brakes. Now, nearly 60 years later, I am finally getting it. Also '39 transmission, full pressure oiling, counterbalanced crank, alternator, leak-less pump. Holley carburetor, 16" rims. Why? Because that is what I want.
__________________
1921 Runabout
1930 Tudor
Early 1930 AA
Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
Chris Haynes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 06:01 AM   #29
updraught
Senior Member
 
updraught's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,467
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

It's an off road vehicle.

You are trying to drive in the fast lane.
updraught is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 08:28 AM   #30
McMimmcs
Senior Member
 
McMimmcs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Pigeon Forge, Tennessee
Posts: 1,038
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Haynes View Post
When I got my first A in 1962 I always wanted a Riley head and juice brakes. Now, nearly 60 years later, I am finally getting it. Also '39 transmission, full pressure oiling, counterbalanced crank, alternator, leak-less pump. Holley carburetor, 16" rims. Why? Because that is what I want.
I congratulate you For building your dream but you don’t have a Model A anymore, you have a hot rod.
McMimmcs is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 10:09 AM   #31
Licensed to kill
Senior Member
 
Licensed to kill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Alberta
Posts: 916
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by McMimmcs View Post
I congratulate you For building your dream but you don’t have a Model A anymore, you have a hot rod.
Are you saying that Chris is no longer welcome here because his car does not meet YOUR criteria for a "Model A"??. This IS a Model A only sight after all. May I ask, what was the point of that post anyway other than to disparage Chris's car with your "you don't have a Model A" comment. Technically, it is a hotrod...a MODEL A hotrod and is no less a Model A than whatever you have (assuming you even have one).
Licensed to kill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 11:05 AM   #32
30 Closed Cab PU
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 2,332
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by McMimmcs View Post
I congratulate you For building your dream but you don’t have a Model A anymore, you have a hot rod.

Do you really need to start this subject again? Not saying what my opinion is. But you do seem to be a bit of a troll, like to take controversial subjects with no real definitive answer and take them down a rabbit hole. Sometimes when someone disagrees with you, you go on the attack to support your opinion, but do not seem to consider others. Sometimes your replies are incendiary comments, no info.



At least in my case, it stifles my involvement in the Barn. I end up proofing my posts 3 or 4 times to insure the post does not give you an opening to chime in with a non helpful, non supported reply.


Maybe I am a little too sensitive, I can not stand bullies. Once I posted something and you went on the attack. My subsequent respectful posts were responded to with bullying, and I soon gave up defending my point of view. Have seen you treat others the same way occasionally



It is sad, the Barn has been very helpful, especially when I was a newbie, probably without the Barn I would have sold my A which I inherited.



I am so glad I have alternatives that do not put up with this behavior. So farewell Ford Barn, I am going cold turkey, will no longer be a part of this forum.



No need to respond, will not see responses, no plans to view or log into this forum anymore.


Adios, fond farewell to the 99.999 % of Barn members - lots of good people on here.
30 Closed Cab PU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 11:22 AM   #33
al's28/33
Senior Member
 
al's28/33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 1,326
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

The fordbarn is like life and a box of chocolates …….. you just never know !!!


I like to keep both my "A" and early V8 pickup stock looking. I had the Mitchell and 6 volt alternators but have since removed them for stock generators.


I would like to convert to 12 volt only not to have to replace dead batteries every couple of years.


I appreciate this forum and all the help I have received.


HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
__________________
1928 "A" Phaeton (mid year with many early features)
1933 "V8" Closed-Cab Pickup Truck
(originally a Model B, 4 Cylinder dating to May, 1933)
al's28/33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 12:48 PM   #34
700rpm
Senior Member
 
700rpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 5,423
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Licensed to kill View Post
Why do you say "Rumble seats are not safe"?.
If you are in an accident in your A rumble seat passengers are at a great risk of serious injury. If it is a rear-ender, the seat back can be thrown forward and increase the injury front and back to the person also being thrown forward. If the accident is a T-bone, the car is likely to be tipped over, throwing RS passengers out, especially small children, and children are the most often RS passengers. Our cars are top heavy and light weight compared with SUVs and large pickups, and a T-bone could cause an A to flip onto its top or roll over completely.

Seat belts and seat back stops might help, but in 60 years of owning and driving A’s I have never seen these installed in a rumble, and even if they were, adequate and secure anchoring would be necessary, and could present a false sense of safety.

In any accident now in an A vs a modern car or truck the A is going to lose, but at least in a closed car you have more protection than sitting in an open rumble seat.

Considering today’s cars, speeds, and traffic, these risks are more than I wanted to assume. So I quit letting people ride in my RS and converted it to a trunk. It just seemed like a safe, responsible and practical thing to do.
__________________
Ray Horton, Portland, OR


As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.
700rpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 12:57 PM   #35
Ruth
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Glide, Oregon
Posts: 709
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU View Post
Do you really need to start this subject again? Not saying what my opinion is. But you do seem to be a bit of a troll, like to take controversial subjects with no real definitive answer and take them down a rabbit hole. Sometimes when someone disagrees with you, you go on the attack to support your opinion, but do not seem to consider others. Sometimes your replies are incendiary comments, no info.

At least in my case, it stifles my involvement in the Barn. I end up proofing my posts 3 or 4 times to insure the post does not give you an opening to chime in with a non helpful, non supported reply.

Maybe I am a little too sensitive, I can not stand bullies. Once I posted something and you went on the attack. My subsequent respectful posts were responded to with bullying, and I soon gave up defending my point of view. Have seen you treat others the same way occasionally

It is sad, the Barn has been very helpful, especially when I was a newbie, probably without the Barn I would have sold my A which I inherited.

I am so glad I have alternatives that do not put up with this behavior. So farewell Ford Barn, I am going cold turkey, will no longer be a part of this forum.

No need to respond, will not see responses, no plans to view or log into this forum anymore.

Adios, fond farewell to the 99.999 % of Barn members - lots of good people on here.
Wow, that could have been writen by me. My sentiments exactly. here I was thinking I was the only one. There are a few on Ford Barn that I have simply put on my ignore list.

I wish you well, 30 Closed Cab PU. Hope you continue enjoying your Model A without the heartburn.
__________________
Ruth
"Sometimes you really DO need to read the whole thread"

Last edited by Ruth; 11-25-2020 at 01:35 PM.
Ruth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 01:06 PM   #36
wrndln
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Lakeville, MN
Posts: 4,662
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

I agree with 30 Closed Cab PU. I pretty much quit posting here mainly due to some of the comments made by 30 Closed Cab PU. I still check here hoping for some good information on restoration questions, but they are farther apart and fewer of them than some time ago.
Rusty Nelson
wrndln is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 02:24 PM   #37
34pickup
Senior Member
 
34pickup's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Huntsville Al
Posts: 1,387
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

I no longer have my Model A but I sometimes read these forums. So...why would you let someones post bother you to the point of dropping off the forum? Just ignore it or tell them to kiss your ass. After I turned 70 I found out I don't suffer fools well anymore and just ignore people who are somewhat full of themselves.


Thats my 2˘
__________________
Matt 24:36-41
34pickup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 02:46 PM   #38
Jeff/Illinois
Senior Member
 
Jeff/Illinois's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,285
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

Wow this went down hill fast!

Started out a simple question, ruffled some feathers
Jeff/Illinois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 10:03 PM   #39
Mister Moose
Senior Member
 
Mister Moose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Hartford area, CT
Posts: 157
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

I think there's a continuum. On one end, you have the high point authentic restoration, or original unrestored car. On the other end, you have a car that has nothing on it from a Model A except parts of the body steel. Engine, steering, transmission, suspension, brakes, even the frame isn't Model A. How can that still be a Model A? Or to take it to another extreme, I make an entirely custom car and put a Model A headlight bar on it. Is it a Model A? Which part on the car makes it a Model A above all others?

I've frequented a dozen forums. All have strong differences of opinion expressed, and the degree of moderation varies quite a bit. What opinionated comments I see here is on the mild end of the spectrum, and I see no issue in disagreement being expressed. Pay no attention to it, address it, place the author on ignore, but it's not a good reason to leave a forum. (In my view) There's very likely many more readers that value your posts.
Mister Moose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 10:42 PM   #40
Ranchero50
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Hagerstown MD
Posts: 182
Default Re: Bone Stock or Modified?

I've spent a lot of time trying to make new stuff look original era. Modified of course as I didn't start with much beyond a chassis. original round tube radiator, headlight and tail light stalks hand made. Good times.

__________________
Building a '29 Speedster, the hard way...
Ranchero50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:19 PM.