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04-11-2017, 07:42 PM | #1 |
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Who makes a good condenser?
My '55 came to me with a loadamatic distributor. I ordered a Cardone reman mechanical advance distributor for a '59 from Autozone. Awesome service, free, fast shipping. I put it in and it ran great. For a while. Today I was testing my power steering shim job and on the way back home the car started missing and jerking badly. It died as I rolled into my drive. I got it in the shop and replaced the coil with a known good one, no help. I had an old flathead distributor and used the condenser from it to replace the one in the distributor and it fired right up. It has been well known on the flathead forum that many condensers are no good now. What brand have you guys been using that are generally serviceable for our Y blocks?
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04-12-2017, 07:03 PM | #2 |
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Try E bay,CL etc.The new ones are just Chinese junk.I found old OEM Ford ignition parts on eBay and used one in my 292.Let me see if I have one.
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04-13-2017, 12:54 AM | #3 |
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Re: Who makes a good condenser?
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As I recall, your new 55 is 12 volts? If so, and my mind may be failing, Get a Pertronix kit & forget about condensors. Best Jim |
04-13-2017, 01:38 AM | #4 |
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I have seen a lot of guys that loved the Pertronix that they have had for years,but in the last few years Pertronix and companies like MSD have turned to off shore production and now failures are becoming more common. The Accel unit for the 1957 and later distributors have been pretty reliable. But I agree if you stay with points look for OEM Ford condensers and maybe grab a few spares.
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04-13-2017, 07:54 AM | #5 |
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Standard Ignition's Blue Streak line of parts has always been good for me. No idea where they make them now. Borg Warner used to make good ignition parts.
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04-13-2017, 01:00 PM | #6 |
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04-13-2017, 01:06 PM | #7 |
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I can testify to the reliability of the ACCEL 2020 pointless ignition units if that helps at all.
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04-13-2017, 02:07 PM | #8 |
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Bubba's distributor repair on this forum will sell you a capacitor which will probably outlive your distributor. Bought one for my '53 and my '34. You must get a little inventive to install in a stock '34 distributor as Bubba's caps have axial leads.
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04-13-2017, 02:31 PM | #9 |
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Thanks for the personal reference. I've been a pertronix fan for years, although I understand some have their issues with them. I think I'm going to stay with the points for the short term.
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05-03-2017, 04:49 AM | #10 |
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I have a Standard condenser also that I bought last year. So far, I have no complaints.
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05-03-2017, 07:40 AM | #11 |
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A lot of us have went to electronic just because there isn't a good reliable parts store source for points and condensers. I also recommend finding new old stock Ford stuff. Another issue I have is the rubbing blocks on the points seem to need a run in time and re-adjustment. It's not unusual for the points to go closed in 200-500 miles.
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05-03-2017, 10:12 AM | #12 | |
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With the lube, the rubbing block can last a long time. Not sure what it was, or a good substitute??? I need to round up some. . Last edited by dmsfrr; 05-03-2017 at 02:30 PM. |
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05-03-2017, 11:25 AM | #13 |
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I too went with a Pertronix unit for my 302. So far no problems but only 2 years running it. It was recommended to me by members of Portland OR Tbird club. It is really hard to know which way to jump with the junk being made off-shore.
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05-04-2017, 06:05 AM | #14 | |
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08-13-2018, 02:55 PM | #15 |
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I also purchased a new (remanufactured) 1957 distributor (Cardone 2808) from O'Reilly for my 56 fairlane with the new Holley carb and the car ran great for about an hour then started to misfire and sputter. Thanks to HRR, put in an Accel 2020 points eliminator kit and car runs great now. I can only attribute this to a failing condenser as points gap was still within spec after only 30 minutes of use. Terrible quality and I'll be permanently going to the Accel kit in the next few weeks.
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08-13-2018, 06:44 PM | #16 |
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Kind of OT but when I went to Cali in 81 I threw a set of points and condenser in my glove compartment that I bought from Ford. Is the condenser any good?
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08-13-2018, 07:58 PM | #17 |
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Seems to me I read somewhere that you can test a condenser but not sure I remember the details right. First, you remove the condenser, then touch the wire terminal to the case ground of the condenser to discharge the load. Then take a volt/ohmmeter and set the range to the highest available setting. Touch probes to condenser case and the wire terminal. The meter should jump to highest setting then fall back to zero. If it does not do that, the condenser is bad. AGAIN, I am not sure if I remember this right. Try googling condenser test and see what you get.
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I wish I had all of the old condensers I threw away when tuning up cars when I was young.
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"Back-in-the-day, IIRC... new points used to come with a small packet of special grease in the box, to put a tiny dab on the lobes, for the rubbing block of the points.
With the lube, the rubbing block can last a long time." Been using the same small tube of lube for about 40 years now. |
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The old condenser testers checked for capacity test, resistance test, and leakage or insulation test. If it passed all that then it was good to go. The old capacitor testers are hard to find now days.
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Lol !
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"Good to know about condenser. Went to "auto Parts" store a few years back and asked for cam lube, the "person" brought out a small tube of dist cam lube. I said no it's for a camshaft so he went back in the back again and brought out a whole hand full of the little tubes. I left."
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That is why point systems have a condenser (called a capacitor in any other electrical system). The condenser slows down the reaction time of the coil to allow the points time to open and break the circuit. Without a condenser you will likely never break the primary current and get no spark from the secondary. Having a condenser that is too large will completely prevent arcing across the points but will also slow the coil so much that it is unable to strike an arc on the secondary. The trick is to find a condenser that gives a happy medium between the arc at the points and the arc at the spark plug. A smaller condenser means more power from the coil but shorter point life due to pitting. A larger condenser will give you longer point life but sacrifice coil output. One trick to make a high performance points system is to wire two condensers together in series. This effectively gives you one condenser with half the value. Most guys when changing points will replace the condenser if it needs it or not. This is not always a good idea. A condenser is a simple component and they rarely go bad. The only bad condenser I've seen was brand new, the wire had broken off inside. If you are changing your points and the motor was running fine then do not replace your condenser. You may do more harm than good. WHOLE ARTICLE HERE - http://www.gofastforless.com/ignition/points.htm PERTRONIX IGNITOR II - http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor2/default.aspx
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08-16-2018, 11:56 AM | #27 |
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I pick up all the nos points, condensers, rotors I can find. Even the ones from Sears,Western Auto, etc are far and away better than the junk we're getting now.
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08-16-2018, 01:00 PM | #28 |
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I believe all new condensers are made in China nowadays, and are crap.
I put a reman distributor in a 64 Falcon and shortly after the customer said it was bucking, stalling and not starting. After checking it several times and it not acting up, it finally went haywire. I traced it to the condenser and put a Standard in, that was several years ago. Also had an intermittent hot no start on a 73 Impala I had tuned up. Ended up going with HEI and attributed it to the Standard condenser. |
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You guys are right on getting the old NOS or NORS points/condensers.
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08-16-2018, 03:15 PM | #30 |
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Guys the absolute best ignition parts available today are Echlin heavy duty from NAPA !!!! The off shore stuff is pure junk!!!
Even a NOS condensor may or may not be good as they do have a shelf life and just plain dry up due to improper sealing. Buy the napa unit its good !!! We do offer a New Lifetime unit ( Vertex mag unit) that a friend has made just for his Mag business. They run $32 with a standard mounting bracket... |
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^^I agree with the NAPA ignition parts.
I ran points in my 77 Harley for years, never had any problems with the condenser. Did neglect the points too long once, starter drive was out and I had been kick starting it for a while, till the points caused it to about break my ankle !! I didn't care for the "Blue Streak" points that everyone seemed to love. I have since went electronic and it was worth every penny ! |
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