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Paul Bennett · 12-22-2016, 12:39 AM

I've been researching seat belts and came across mention of seat belts causing judges to mark down a car.

I accept mark downs for non-originality. But where can I find the judging criteria? And where/when does this happen?

As FordBarn cars are for the most part, stock there must be a reasonable contingent who have gone through the judging process...I don't even know where events are held.

Regardless, since it looks feasible, I probably will add a pair of shoulder belts in front and one lap belt center rear for baby seat (great grandkids).

mhsprecher · 12-22-2016, 02:24 AM

Easy enough to install seat belts and even shoulder belts. I put shoulder belts in my 39 Fordor. Here is where I got mine: http://www.julianos.com/Seat-Belts-s/96.htm

I don't think you are penalized for seat belts. Certainly not in the Model A world, where the clubs encourage members to install them. I really don't know about the V8 club.

Big Red 51 · 12-22-2016, 05:54 AM

Paul, I have never been penalized for a clean installation of seat belts for any vehicle in the Early Ford V8 Club at National meets. Even if I were, I would use them for safety. They may save your life someday. Don

51 MERC-CT · 12-22-2016, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Bennett

I've been researching seat belts and came across mention of seat belts causing judges to mark down a car.

I accept mark downs for non-originality. But where can I find the judging criteria? And where/when does this happen?

As FordBarn cars are for the most part, stock there must be a reasonable contingent who have gone through the judging process...I don't even know where events are held.

Regardless, since it looks feasible, I probably will add a pair of shoulder belts in front and one lap belt center rear for baby seat (great grandkids).

Although mine is a 2dr. coupe this is my installation of Juliano's 3 point belts.
In a concours judged car show, my car and I suspect your car have many more issues to worry about and seat belts are at the bottom of the list.
Install the belts and don't worry about being judged.

G.M. · 12-22-2016, 08:35 AM

When I judged there was no deduction for seat belts or turn
signals as long as they were neatly installed. These are considered
safety items. G.M.

rockfla · 12-22-2016, 08:58 AM

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All of the judging criteria is in the front of the EFV8 club roster.....If memory serves me right and the reason there are two different judging classes...Concourse (Dearborn) & Touring.....the touring class allows for "Some" modern day accessories/safety & reliability improvements with NO point deductions...If in the Concourse (Or Concourse Dearborn) Class...AS HENRY Built it!!!! Then you would get point deduction..

TonyM · 12-22-2016, 09:50 AM

[QUOTE=Paul Bennett;1402923]I've been researching seat belts and came across mention of seat belts causing judges to mark down a car.

What organization? Early Ford V-8 Club? Antique Automobile Club of America? Classic Car Club of America?

I accept mark downs for non-originality. But where can I find the judging criteria? And where/when does this happen?

Automobiles are judged at club sanctioned events like National Meets. Clubs have these meets to show the cars, judge them and, in some cases, award trophies. You need to join a club, register for a national meet, then bring your car to the meet where it will be judged.

As FordBarn cars are for the most part, stock there must be a reasonable contingent who have gone through the judging process...I don't even know where events are held.

The club organization you belong to hold and sponsor the events and publish their own judging standards. All info is sent out to members as to time and location of national meets, tours, etc.

QUOTE]

woodiewagon46 · 12-22-2016, 09:53 AM

Paul, all of the clubs I am associated with, such as AACA, MARC, MAFCA and the V-8 Club will not take points off for safety related items. In this day and age you must have seat belts, especially with some older cars with non safety glass and flat windshields. For a Safety 23 issued by NSRA, seat belts are required.

TJ · 12-22-2016, 10:03 AM

There are no point deductions for seat belts or turn signals. In some states these items are requirements if you drive your car on a public road. Most if not all clubs that have events where cars are judged do not deduct points for these two safety items.

VeryTangled · 12-22-2016, 10:33 AM

Hi Everyone. Here's an old thread on Concour experiences...

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48512

12-22-2016, 12:39 AM	#1
Paul Bennett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 628	Concour and judging - and belts I've been researching seat belts and came across mention of seat belts causing judges to mark down a car. I accept mark downs for non-originality. But where can I find the judging criteria? And where/when does this happen? As FordBarn cars are for the most part, stock there must be a reasonable contingent who have gone through the judging process...I don't even know where events are held. Regardless, since it looks feasible, I probably will add a pair of shoulder belts in front and one lap belt center rear for baby seat (great grandkids).

12-22-2016, 02:24 AM	#2
mhsprecher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Takoma Park, MD Posts: 2,817	Re: Concour and judging - and belts Easy enough to install seat belts and even shoulder belts. I put shoulder belts in my 39 Fordor. Here is where I got mine: http://www.julianos.com/Seat-Belts-s/96.htm I don't think you are penalized for seat belts. Certainly not in the Model A world, where the clubs encourage members to install them. I really don't know about the V8 club.

12-22-2016, 05:54 AM	#3
Big Red 51 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 131	Re: Concour and judging - and belts Paul, I have never been penalized for a clean installation of seat belts for any vehicle in the Early Ford V8 Club at National meets. Even if I were, I would use them for safety. They may save your life someday. Don

12-22-2016, 08:35 AM	#5
G.M. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida and Penna. Posts: 4,471	Re: Concour and judging - and belts When I judged there was no deduction for seat belts or turn signals as long as they were neatly installed. These are considered safety items. G.M. __________________ www.fordcollector.com

12-22-2016, 08:58 AM	#6
rockfla Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 3,951	Re: Concour and judging - and belts Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) All of the judging criteria is in the front of the EFV8 club roster.....If memory serves me right and the reason there are two different judging classes...Concourse (Dearborn) & Touring.....the touring class allows for "Some" modern day accessories/safety & reliability improvements with NO point deductions...If in the Concourse (Or Concourse Dearborn) Class...AS HENRY Built it!!!! Then you would get point deduction..

12-22-2016, 09:50 AM	#7
TonyM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: West Hammond, Illinois Posts: 2,786	Re: Concour and judging - and belts [QUOTE=Paul Bennett;1402923]I've been researching seat belts and came across mention of seat belts causing judges to mark down a car. What organization? Early Ford V-8 Club? Antique Automobile Club of America? Classic Car Club of America? I accept mark downs for non-originality. But where can I find the judging criteria? And where/when does this happen? Automobiles are judged at club sanctioned events like National Meets. Clubs have these meets to show the cars, judge them and, in some cases, award trophies. You need to join a club, register for a national meet, then bring your car to the meet where it will be judged. As FordBarn cars are for the most part, stock there must be a reasonable contingent who have gone through the judging process...I don't even know where events are held. The club organization you belong to hold and sponsor the events and publish their own judging standards. All info is sent out to members as to time and location of national meets, tours, etc. QUOTE] Last edited by TonyM; 12-22-2016 at 10:30 AM.

12-22-2016, 09:53 AM	#8
woodiewagon46 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Long Island,NY Posts: 1,555	Re: Concour and judging - and belts Paul, all of the clubs I am associated with, such as AACA, MARC, MAFCA and the V-8 Club will not take points off for safety related items. In this day and age you must have seat belts, especially with some older cars with non safety glass and flat windshields. For a Safety 23 issued by NSRA, seat belts are required.

12-22-2016, 10:03 AM	#9
TJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napa,California Posts: 6,035	Re: Concour and judging - and belts There are no point deductions for seat belts or turn signals. In some states these items are requirements if you drive your car on a public road. Most if not all clubs that have events where cars are judged do not deduct points for these two safety items.

12-22-2016, 10:33 AM	#10
VeryTangled Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: (Not far enough...) Outside of DC Posts: 3,387	Re: Concour and judging - and belts Hi Everyone. Here's an old thread on Concour experiences... https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48512 __________________ -Jeff H Have you thought about supporting the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum?