The Ford Barn

Charles Reese · 02-12-2017, 12:39 PM

Recently received a box of ‘stuff’ from a friend. Amongst the treasures are what appear to be NOS spring perches

. However ...

Comparing them to the RG&JS (pg 4-3; 2011), clearly they are not Style 1 (arched). While they are ‘straight neck’, other dimensions don’t compare well to Style 2 or 3 either.
* Shoulder: ~1” wide x 1/4” thick. {Style 2: 1/8”; Style 3: 1/32”}
* Neck: 0.8” thick; ~0.5” (inside) ~1.1” long (outside) ..... RG&JS do not provide dimensions. Guess could be the camera angle of the JS photo but these seem to have a ‘shorter’ neck length …

Although apparently well made, I’m suspecting ‘repro’. Thoughts?
Dont want to misrepresent them if i decide to resell.

msmaron · 02-12-2017, 12:47 PM

can you post a pic sideways also,,, they seem to be early repos...

Charles Reese · 02-12-2017, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

can you post a pic sideways also,,, they seem to be early repos...

See original thread ... i suspect repro as well. no script or cast #s

Charlie Stephens · 02-12-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Reese

See original thread ... i suspect repro as well. no script or cast #s

What original thread? How about a link?

Charlie Stephens

Charles Reese · 02-12-2017, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

What original thread? How about a link?

Charlie Stephens

sorry, i dont know all the correct techy words .... i meant the question that started this discussion (#1 at top right of the page)..

Cool Hand Lurker · 02-12-2017, 01:13 PM

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I have been looking for parts to convert my 47 Ford Coupe from lever to tube shocks and have come across a lot of these. These are the bolts used to fasten the wishbones to the front axle on early Fords and have a spring shackle mount, the round ball for the lever shock dog bone link, and another hole maybe for a torsion bar leveler dog bone link. I am not sure which years it would fit on though. If you gave the measurements for the shaft and the mounting bolt hole, that might narrow it down. I think it would work on the 47 but I don't know for sure.

I would not need it though. I discovered that my car has a 1948 front axle instead of the 1947 one and the newer axle has a hole already in the axle for the shock mounting bolt. Somebody in the earlier line of ownership did me a big favor with that axle!

Fordors · 02-12-2017, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

What original thread? How about a link?

Charlie Stephens

I think the gentleman meant to say ....original post...., not thread. He believes them to be reproduction. I know Warshawsky & Co. sold '32-'34 perches BITD, maybe they had Model A perches too. I had a set of the early V8 perches, they were Argentine repros, forged, but the machining was kinda poor on the V8 ones. Are those forgings?

Charles Reese · 02-12-2017, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordors

Are those forgings?

i dont see 'separation lines' anywhere, which i believe would suggest casting ... so i assume forging ... but an uneducated guesss at best! ... just seems the 'neck' on these is a little shorter than what the JS seem to show ...

wrndln · 02-12-2017, 01:40 PM

The area right above the tapered area is not like any originals that I have ever seen. I think you perch bolts in your pictures are repros, but not like the ones I bought that were from Argentina many years ago before I wised up. The originals I have seen have a somewhat sharp edge to them directly above the wishbone. The perch bolt in your picture have too much of a cylinder in that area. Below is an original perch bolt.
Rusty Nelson

Bob C · 02-12-2017, 03:41 PM

Check the cotter pin hole. Some of the early repros had the hole going from front to rear and all the original i have seen have the hole going left to right.

Bob

Tom Wesenberg · 02-12-2017, 03:56 PM

I agree with Rusty. They are likely repro, as my originals look like Rusty's picture, and the repro's I've worked with are thicker in many areas. If fact I had to grind away some metal to use repro perches on the 29 Roadster I worked on.

Kevin in NJ · 02-12-2017, 04:45 PM

The big thing for me is the beefyness of the shackle hole. The originals are almost dainty and the repros are all beefy. See how the originals also kind of taper to the end.

Once you key in on that you tell them from a distance laying on a table.

There are other things like the markings and just the overall look of the metal and machining.

02-12-2017, 12:47 PM	#2
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: Spring Perches: What Have I Here? can you post a pic sideways also,,, they seem to be early repos... __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

02-12-2017, 01:13 PM	#6
Cool Hand Lurker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Minn Posts: 1,565	Re: Spring Perches: What Have I Here? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I have been looking for parts to convert my 47 Ford Coupe from lever to tube shocks and have come across a lot of these. These are the bolts used to fasten the wishbones to the front axle on early Fords and have a spring shackle mount, the round ball for the lever shock dog bone link, and another hole maybe for a torsion bar leveler dog bone link. I am not sure which years it would fit on though. If you gave the measurements for the shaft and the mounting bolt hole, that might narrow it down. I think it would work on the 47 but I don't know for sure. I would not need it though. I discovered that my car has a 1948 front axle instead of the 1947 one and the newer axle has a hole already in the axle for the shock mounting bolt. Somebody in the earlier line of ownership did me a big favor with that axle! Last edited by Cool Hand Lurker; 02-12-2017 at 01:20 PM.

02-12-2017, 03:41 PM	#10
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,751	Re: Spring Perches: What Have I Here? Check the cotter pin hole. Some of the early repros had the hole going from front to rear and all the original i have seen have the hole going left to right. Bob

02-12-2017, 03:56 PM	#11
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Spring Perches: What Have I Here? I agree with Rusty. They are likely repro, as my originals look like Rusty's picture, and the repro's I've worked with are thicker in many areas. If fact I had to grind away some metal to use repro perches on the 29 Roadster I worked on.

02-12-2017, 04:45 PM	#12
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: Spring Perches: What Have I Here? The big thing for me is the beefyness of the shackle hole. The originals are almost dainty and the repros are all beefy. See how the originals also kind of taper to the end. Once you key in on that you tell them from a distance laying on a table. There are other things like the markings and just the overall look of the metal and machining.