33/34 Phaeton Register ??

[ceejay]

Hi all,

when I talk about my 33 Phaeton (Right Hand Drive, 4 Cylinder), a lot of folks both on here and off, say it is a very rare and desirable car.

Looking at only 33 and 34 Phaetons... I have seen one web site quote production figures as follows...

1933 - 1483 De Lux and 232 Standard
1934 - 3128 De Lux and 373 Standard

Can anyone confirm these numbers ?

It is not clear if these are TOTAL figures of phaetons produced in every country or just the USA built cars... anyone ??

Is there no "register" for 33/34 Phaetons ? one place where all owners would log in the details of their cars so that anyone can see how many cars survive, which countries they are in, what condition they are in etc ?

I wouldn't mind collecting that data and making it available if there is no such register already.

Let me know what you guys think

CJ

[FL&WVMIKE]

ceejay .......................
A friend of mine, Johnny Norris, then of Bristol, Tenn., and I did that very same thing, back in the early 70s. We tried to register all 1933-1934 Phaetons. We ended up with a little over 220 Phaetons. There are probably more now, as some must have been restored out of pieces. Plus some more, probably have been discovered in barns, etc. Some just refused to register their cars. We were able to collect photos of about 150 of them.
This was done before the internet. It should be easier to do, nowdays.
I have a friend, in California, who is thinking of doing it again. We'll see. It is very time consuming.
MIKE

[FlatheadTed]

Theres a Guy in Aust who has done some, maybe just Australian models ( friend of Trevor pulsen ) Rob ??

[DavidG]

From the George DeAngelis/Ed Francis book, "The Early Ford V-8, As Henry Built It", the DOMESTIC U.S. production of 1933 model phaetons is listed as: standards - 214 V-8s and 337 fours, deluxes - 1,450 V-8s and 175 fours or 1,668 V-8s and 512 fours for a total of 2,180.

For 1934, U.S. production of phaetons was 3,657 V-8s and 1,005 fours, all deluxe models, as all 1934 standard phaetons were assembled outside of the U.S. (I once owned one assembled in Sao Paulo, Brasil.)

The above data are from Ford's monthly production records ("Assembly Record Types") surviving today in the Benson Ford Research Center in Dearborn. I have worked with these records and they are not limited to U.S. domestic production, but rather contain Ford's vehicle production by type, by assembly plant, worldwide. I can understand why George and Ed limited their reporting to domestic production as once you look at the worldwide figures, the data get messy. Messy in the sense that model years and calendar years become way out of alignment in many cases with a given model type, such as the Model 48 (1935 models), for example, being produced on into the 1936 calendar year or even beyond at some non-U.S. assembly plants.

I once pulled all of that data from the same records cited above for the world-wide pre-WWII production of passenger cars for the Early Ford V-8 Club of America and it was published as a part of their register of members for several years. Eventually it was no longer published as evidently some hobbyists had difficulty keeping model years and calendar years straight in their thinking, especially when the model years extended out over 2, 3, 4 or more calendar years. That's understandable as in the case of the 1932 models, for example, the last one built was in 1936 in Europe.

Those of you who have "The 1932 Ford Book, A Production Chronicle and Restoration Guide" will recall that its Appendix A-4 tackles the subject of worldwide production. In that appendix, the declining popularity of phaetons (and roadsters) in the Northern Hemisphere was not mirrored in the Southern Hemisphere until the second half of the decade of the 'thirties and as result, the domestic U.S. production figures for phaetons, especially, in the first half of that decade grossly understate the number produced worldwide. For example, there were 2,491 1932 model phaetons (standards, deluxes, fours, and V-8s) produced in the U.S., but 5,251 produced worldwide (including the U.S.), more than double the U.S. production figure.

I have the '33-'34 worldwide phaeton production figures back at the ranch, but won't be there for several more weeks. I can dig them out and post them at that time.

[34Phae]

I live in Camarillo Ca. and there are 3 that are street driven often and there is also a basket case one here . Saw 3 others at a car show near salvang Ca. last Sunday

[G.M.]

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ceejay, I have a 33 phaeton and a 33 roadster. Here's a picture of the phaeton which I put a Columbia rear in a number of years ago. G.M.

[roddyb34]

there was a register going in Australia that was tied to the U.S one in the 70s ,someone would have that still ,Trevor Poulson in Qld would be a good start ,i know mine was on it,,,body# 40P862,,there is a thread on the HAMB with a black Aussie 33 in the US being resurrected,it was claimed as being Aussie body #5 being the former Phil Woodbridge car,,4-12-2010_067.jpg

thats my red 34 in 1980 ,,still have it ,,

[ceejay]

Thanks for all your input guys !!

I think someone should combine the data from who ever collected them in the past.

FL&WVMike, Those 150 photos will be really nice to see !! you should may be upload all of them onto an album on flickr may be.

I can't imagine why some owners did NOT want to register their cars ??

There is a Right Hand Drive "B" Phaeton in Colombia in very good condition. I wonder if that one was included in the previous "register" there is a lovely video of it on YouTube.

If no one seems to be going ahead with collecting the data again, Pass all the info on to me and I'll be glad to do it

[kgk47]

I have had a 34 pheaton for about ten years. Bought it apart at Hershey. I have driven it all over the country. Love the car. It is a hot rod. I just purchased a 34 roadster. The body on the pheaton has never been off the frame. [email protected]

[FL&WVMIKE]

Originally Posted by ceejay

Thanks for all your input guys !!

I think someone should combine the data from who ever collected them in the past.

FL&WVMike, Those 150 photos will be really nice to see !! you should may be upload all of them onto an album on flickr may be.

I can't imagine why some owners did NOT want to register their cars ??

There is a Right Hand Drive "B" Phaeton in Colombia in very good condition. I wonder if that one was included in the previous "register" there is a lovely video of it on YouTube.

If no one seems to be going ahead with collecting the data again, Pass all the info on to me and I'll be glad to do it

ceejay ....................
Loading those photos into an album is an idea, that I had not thought about. The problem, right now, is my information is stored 800 miles away. I'm not sure when I would be able to pick them up.
Some people did not want to register their phaeton, as before the prices jumped up on the cars, you were pestered to death, about selling them.
I do have a lot of history, documented, on many 1933-34 Phaetons.
MIKE

[FlatheadTed]

Heres my 33. Robert Hayward is the guy with the Auzy numbers he is on here .

[ceejay]

Very nice to see photos of the 33/34 Phaetons on this thread.
Always good to see photos of the cars. What ever the condition may be.

[BrianCT]

Here are a couple of 34's

[ceejay]

wow that car at the diner looks very smart !!

[1932 V8]

Here are a couple of 33's from a V8 club get together this past Sunday .





And one of us in the Redwoods this summer .

[ceejay]

wow !! very nice !! Thank you for posting "1932 V8"

[Bick in New Zealand]

Here is another one from NZ

[ceejay]

Nice !! i notice the grill slats seem to be painted black in that one...were some cars produced with black slats on the grill ?

[FL&WVMIKE]

Here is a vintage photo of an unknown Phaeton. It could be anywhere, nowdays. Perhaps it is of your restored Phaeton, or my unrestored one !
MIKE
CLICK ON PHOTO TO ENLARGE - Twice

[robert hayward]

In 1981, I commenced a Model 40 Register for Australian made 1933-34 Ford Phaetons, to date there are 86 on register, regardless original, restored, hot rod or basket case, each has a cowl number 40P*** stamped on the left side of firewall. The lowest number on register is 40P3 and the highest 40P995. In recent years some of these Phaetons have been shipped to America and some to New Zealand. A few years back a fellow Ford enthusiast, who owns an original 1933 Phaeton, obtained access to Ford Australia archives in Geelong, Victoria. He has confirmed that 1007 Australian Model 40 Phaetons were produced and production commencing in July 1933 and concluding in February 1935 with the change over date from 33 to 34 style being Monday 12th February 1934. There were 1007 Phaetons produced, the first 420 were 33 model and the remaining 587 were 34 model.. 549 as Standard and 458 as Deluxe... 315 with 4 cylinder and 692 with V8s Whilst the American produced Phaeton and Australian Phaeton look similar, there is a number of differences. Mainly the USA version has an all steel floor, narrower centre post between front and rear doors and longer drop doors with no extra panel between sill and running board. Both have doors and cowl with timber framing.
I would appreciate contact with owners of Aussie made Phaetons, from their cowl number I can indicate which month the vehicle was made.
Robert Hayward