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kregb · 01-23-2016, 12:34 PM

In one form of another I'm sure this question has been asked but I couldn't figure out a good search so I'll ask again (probably). Was there a lag between the engine assembly and the installation in the car. My reason for asking is this, I'm building a 1930 Coupe from parts the engine and frame are stamped 300949 which would be August 1930. In September of 1930 the fenders and running boards changed to the 1931 style. Not a huge deal except that the nose section on my right side fender needs to be replaced and they don't seem to be available anymore. Yes the are still listed in all of the catalogs but out of stock with no projected availability. Simply put was the engine stamped when it was assembled or when in was installed in the chassis?

DougVieyra · 01-23-2016, 12:37 PM

You will easily find the answer in the MODEL A RESTORATION GUIDELINES.

mot · 01-23-2016, 12:40 PM

the engine was stamped after it was assembled and tested
it was then put into a frame days weeks or even months later,where that same number was now stamped on the frame
the nose pieces come up on ebay all the time
Berts probably has them also

msmaron · 01-23-2016, 12:42 PM

mot how can i get a hold of you, been trying for months now with messages and more....

mark

kregb · 01-23-2016, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mot

the engine was stamped after it was assembled and tested
it was then put into a frame days weeks or even months later,where that same number was now stamped on the frame
the nose pieces come up on ebay all the time
Berts probably has them also

Nose pieces indeed do show up on Ebay however there seems to be a difference in availability left to right. There is a left side on there right now and in the past several months there have been a number or left side nose pieces. Bert's is IMHO the best source for parts of any kind. They also have several left sides and no right sides. I'm thinking about cutting the end off of a '31 splash apron and building one but thought I would check options.

Mitch//pa · 01-23-2016, 02:03 PM

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Did you call all the suppliers? One may have it on the shelf... Go to the top sticky "model A web sites" and call each one of them from the list..

Post it in the wanted section on fordbarn

Kevin in NJ · 01-23-2016, 04:43 PM

Engines were stamped when built then shipped to the assembly plants.

If you see the picture of a warehouse you will see engines beyond your imagination. It appears they are done in a first in last out order. So at times there may be some oddities where an earlier number may be found on a later car. During 30 production the engine numbers are pretty linear to build dates with the data collected. I have seen the chart of engine numbers to body numbers for the 68B as collected by the group. You can almost assign a engine number to a body number it is so linear.

Now as you get into 31 the correlation between number an assembly date is not as strong. There are documented oddities like a late 30 engine on a later 31 car. This was because the production slowed some and the few engines at the back of the pile did not get used for a while. BUT it is stiil the exception to the rule. Just something you have to factor in if you have some reason to believe a car might be original and the engine seems a bit early for what else you see. The 68C numbers show some oddities and are not as nice as the 68B numbers.

Anyway, some useless things I have seen over time.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-23-2016, 09:52 PM

I would feel complexly at ease using an August engine in a September or October built car.
The STANDARDS allow for at least a 3 month lag time to changes.

01-23-2016, 12:34 PM	#1
kregb Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Erie, CO Posts: 8	August of September 1930 In one form of another I'm sure this question has been asked but I couldn't figure out a good search so I'll ask again (probably). Was there a lag between the engine assembly and the installation in the car. My reason for asking is this, I'm building a 1930 Coupe from parts the engine and frame are stamped 300949 which would be August 1930. In September of 1930 the fenders and running boards changed to the 1931 style. Not a huge deal except that the nose section on my right side fender needs to be replaced and they don't seem to be available anymore. Yes the are still listed in all of the catalogs but out of stock with no projected availability. Simply put was the engine stamped when it was assembled or when in was installed in the chassis?

01-23-2016, 12:37 PM	#2
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: August of September 1930 You will easily find the answer in the MODEL A RESTORATION GUIDELINES.

01-23-2016, 12:40 PM	#3
mot Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sacramento Ca Posts: 1,179	Re: August of September 1930 the engine was stamped after it was assembled and tested it was then put into a frame days weeks or even months later,where that same number was now stamped on the frame the nose pieces come up on ebay all the time Berts probably has them also

01-23-2016, 12:42 PM	#4
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: August of September 1930 mot how can i get a hold of you, been trying for months now with messages and more.... mark __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

01-23-2016, 02:03 PM	#6
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: August of September 1930 Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Did you call all the suppliers? One may have it on the shelf... Go to the top sticky "model A web sites" and call each one of them from the list.. Post it in the wanted section on fordbarn

01-23-2016, 04:43 PM	#7
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: August of September 1930 Engines were stamped when built then shipped to the assembly plants. If you see the picture of a warehouse you will see engines beyond your imagination. It appears they are done in a first in last out order. So at times there may be some oddities where an earlier number may be found on a later car. During 30 production the engine numbers are pretty linear to build dates with the data collected. I have seen the chart of engine numbers to body numbers for the 68B as collected by the group. You can almost assign a engine number to a body number it is so linear. Now as you get into 31 the correlation between number an assembly date is not as strong. There are documented oddities like a late 30 engine on a later 31 car. This was because the production slowed some and the few engines at the back of the pile did not get used for a while. BUT it is stiil the exception to the rule. Just something you have to factor in if you have some reason to believe a car might be original and the engine seems a bit early for what else you see. The 68C numbers show some oddities and are not as nice as the 68B numbers. Anyway, some useless things I have seen over time.

01-23-2016, 09:52 PM	#8
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: August of September 1930 I would feel complexly at ease using an August engine in a September or October built car. The STANDARDS allow for at least a 3 month lag time to changes.