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Gino · 01-20-2016, 07:28 PM

hi, so i installed a heater core that i purchased separately from the kit i purchased from Snyders. i don't get a lot of heat for my troubles, keep in mind i live in the north east. considering blocking the radiator from the wind as I've seen done in the past. anybody have any expertise here, i sure would appreciate the advice, thanks

Mitch//pa · 01-20-2016, 07:57 PM

Are you running a thermostat and getting flow through the core..

H. L. Chauvin · 01-20-2016, 08:04 PM

Hi Gino,

Also, maybe in addition,just a few more details?

Heater core bought, (maybe a "used" core?) ........... and bought separate from Snyder's maybe a (new?) Snyder's kit?

Could maybe a "used" heater core be assumed to possibly be a "used clogged" heater core, a heavily outside painted core, or an undersized core?

Is heater core clean .... inside and out?

If radiator blocked, do you have an engine temperature gauge? Engines can become overheated ...... even in cold weather.

JtownJoe · 01-20-2016, 08:17 PM

Hi Gino, I live in Western PA AND I have to keep my radiator blocked about 1/2 way up to keep the water temperature close to 180* even with a 180*thermostat. As soon as temp. drops below about 20* it needs help to stay hot enough. Also noticed mine won't circulate well at an idle it needs the rpm's up to keep inside warm enough. I out some temp. clear heater hoses on so I could see what was going on & then switched back to the regular hoses.

JtownJoe · 01-20-2016, 08:24 PM

PS: Forgot to mention I found some "black plastic" about 1/16" thick and it slips between the radiator fins and the s/s cover in front of the radiator and hardly shows. It should be easy to find and is easy to cut to fit your needs. FWIW

C26Pinelake · 01-20-2016, 09:50 PM

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I bought the full kit from Snyders and I have great heat. I live in Canada and I had the A out yesterday and it was minus 5 degrees and I was comfortable , not hot but comfortable. I also added the thermostat to their kit. Wayne

noboD · 01-20-2016, 10:47 PM

AN infrared gun will tell you where the heat is or not. Depending where you hook it up you may not be getting any flow through the core.

fords · 01-21-2016, 02:25 AM

Referencing FLOW -I was told the importance of the waterpump shaft/impeller portion of the pump must be dead on in the housing to provide good proper water flow. Is this something anyone has heard of. Thanks Guys

Tom Wesenberg · 01-21-2016, 04:21 AM

Need details of the installation.
As Mitch said, you need a thermostat, and also the heater inlet hose MUST be coming from the engine side of the thermostat, and the heater return hose must go into the block inlet side, either the pipe hose, or casting on the left side of the block.

Gino · 01-21-2016, 08:57 AM

Hi, the heater core is new out of the box. I will buy the gauge and a thermostat. Also I will block the radiator and rely on the gauge to make sure she doesn't get to hot. There's a joke there I think. I hadn't thought of black plastic for blocking. I planned on fabricating some sheet metal and paint it, then I can brag about my handi work. Thanks very much for the help, good to know I havnt screwed up too much.

Mitch//pa · 01-21-2016, 09:06 AM

So your not running a stat??? You need it>>>>> A properly operating stat should regulate the cooling system at its specified degrees without covering the radiator....

CarlG · 01-21-2016, 10:52 AM

You might try one of these:

Cool Hand Lurker · 01-21-2016, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlG

You might try one of these:

Carl, what is it? A grille, louvered airflow regulator, heater core? Where does it go?
Help me out of the dark.

CarlG · 01-21-2016, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Lurker

Carl, what is it? A grille, louvered airflow regulator, heater core? Where does it go?
Help me out of the dark.

That is a 1930-31 Globe Winterfront. It mounts in front of the radiator and has movable louvers that are controllable in the cabin.

Cool Hand Lurker · 01-21-2016, 11:52 AM

Thanks Carl. I don't suppose you can get them at the corner store anymore, eh?

CarlG · 01-21-2016, 12:04 PM

NAPA is currently out of stock

Actually, the one I have is NOS, but it is missing the cabin control piece. If I use it I will have to gerry-rig something.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-21-2016, 01:09 PM

The winterfront is the old way to control the engine heat, but to get coolant flow through the heater core you need to create higher pressure for the heater inlet hose than for the heater outlet hose, and to do this you need to either block off the radiator flow with a washer (poor idea), or better yet use a thermostat to control engine heat and create a high pressure zone for heater coolant flow.

CarlG · 01-21-2016, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

The winterfront is the old way to control the engine heat, but to get coolant flow through the heater core you need to create higher pressure for the heater inlet hose than for the heater outlet hose, and to do this you need to either block off the radiator flow with a washer (poor idea), or better yet use a thermostat to control engine heat and create a high pressure zone for heater coolant flow.

Here's the perfect way to do that: (Vintage Precision Products)

Mitch//pa · 01-21-2016, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

The winterfront is the old way to control the engine heat, but to get coolant flow through the heater core you need to create higher pressure for the heater inlet hose than for the heater outlet hose, and to do this you need to either block off the radiator flow with a washer (poor idea), or better yet use a thermostat to control engine heat and create a high pressure zone for heater coolant flow.

Yep what Tom said,,,,

Charlie Stephens · 01-21-2016, 02:12 PM

How and where are is your hot water pick up and return? How about photos?

Charlie Stephens

Gino · 01-25-2016, 07:30 PM

The water pickup is located on the top hose, with a new pipe adapter that is cut into the existing hose. You can see this kit in SNyders Catalog. I fabricated a piece of sheet metal and installed it in front of the radiator. When the salt clears from the roads, I'll give it a run. I do drive this Model A Pickup nearly every day, but once they salt the roads I don't drive it till it rains quite a bit, so It is not terribly important to have heat all winter. But I do like to experiment with this truck as it will not be a show piece as long as I own her. Don't hate me I love this truck more that my right arm and take very good care of her. Thanks and sorry to be so long winded.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-25-2016, 08:48 PM

Forget the winterfront.
You MUST have a thermostat to create pressure for the heater inlet hose.

I just slipped a 2" thermostat in the top hose and keep it in place with the barbs cut from a 2" plastic male hose connector that I bought at Menards. A piece of rubber hose slipped inside the top hose can also hold the stat in place.

01-20-2016, 07:28 PM	#1
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Falmouth, Ma. Posts: 313	hot water heat hi, so i installed a heater core that i purchased separately from the kit i purchased from Snyders. i don't get a lot of heat for my troubles, keep in mind i live in the north east. considering blocking the radiator from the wind as I've seen done in the past. anybody have any expertise here, i sure would appreciate the advice, thanks

01-20-2016, 07:57 PM	#2
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: hot water heat Are you running a thermostat and getting flow through the core..

01-20-2016, 08:04 PM	#3
H. L. Chauvin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,179	Re: hot water heat Hi Gino, Also, maybe in addition,just a few more details? Heater core bought, (maybe a "used" core?) ........... and bought separate from Snyder's maybe a (new?) Snyder's kit? Could maybe a "used" heater core be assumed to possibly be a "used clogged" heater core, a heavily outside painted core, or an undersized core? Is heater core clean .... inside and out? If radiator blocked, do you have an engine temperature gauge? Engines can become overheated ...... even in cold weather.

01-20-2016, 08:17 PM	#4
JtownJoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 342	Re: hot water heat Hi Gino, I live in Western PA AND I have to keep my radiator blocked about 1/2 way up to keep the water temperature close to 180* even with a 180thermostat. As soon as temp. drops below about 20 it needs help to stay hot enough. Also noticed mine won't circulate well at an idle it needs the rpm's up to keep inside warm enough. I out some temp. clear heater hoses on so I could see what was going on & then switched back to the regular hoses.

01-20-2016, 08:24 PM	#5
JtownJoe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Johnstown, PA Posts: 342	Re: hot water heat PS: Forgot to mention I found some "black plastic" about 1/16" thick and it slips between the radiator fins and the s/s cover in front of the radiator and hardly shows. It should be easy to find and is easy to cut to fit your needs. FWIW

01-20-2016, 09:50 PM	#6
C26Pinelake BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan / Ontario border, Sarnia, Ontario. 50 miles from Detroit and 150 from Toronto. Posts: 5,800	Re: hot water heat Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I bought the full kit from Snyders and I have great heat. I live in Canada and I had the A out yesterday and it was minus 5 degrees and I was comfortable , not hot but comfortable. I also added the thermostat to their kit. Wayne

01-20-2016, 10:47 PM	#7
noboD Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 319	Re: hot water heat AN infrared gun will tell you where the heat is or not. Depending where you hook it up you may not be getting any flow through the core.

01-21-2016, 02:25 AM	#8
fords Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Melbourne, Fl Posts: 62	Re: hot water heat Referencing FLOW -I was told the importance of the waterpump shaft/impeller portion of the pump must be dead on in the housing to provide good proper water flow. Is this something anyone has heard of. Thanks Guys

01-21-2016, 04:21 AM	#9
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: hot water heat Need details of the installation. As Mitch said, you need a thermostat, and also the heater inlet hose MUST be coming from the engine side of the thermostat, and the heater return hose must go into the block inlet side, either the pipe hose, or casting on the left side of the block.

01-21-2016, 08:57 AM	#10
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Falmouth, Ma. Posts: 313	Re: hot water heat Hi, the heater core is new out of the box. I will buy the gauge and a thermostat. Also I will block the radiator and rely on the gauge to make sure she doesn't get to hot. There's a joke there I think. I hadn't thought of black plastic for blocking. I planned on fabricating some sheet metal and paint it, then I can brag about my handi work. Thanks very much for the help, good to know I havnt screwed up too much.

01-21-2016, 09:06 AM	#11
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: hot water heat So your not running a stat??? You need it>>>>> A properly operating stat should regulate the cooling system at its specified degrees without covering the radiator....

01-21-2016, 11:52 AM	#15
Cool Hand Lurker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Minn Posts: 1,565	Re: hot water heat Thanks Carl. I don't suppose you can get them at the corner store anymore, eh?

01-21-2016, 12:04 PM	#16
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: hot water heat NAPA is currently out of stock Actually, the one I have is NOS, but it is missing the cabin control piece. If I use it I will have to gerry-rig something. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

01-21-2016, 01:09 PM	#17
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: hot water heat The winterfront is the old way to control the engine heat, but to get coolant flow through the heater core you need to create higher pressure for the heater inlet hose than for the heater outlet hose, and to do this you need to either block off the radiator flow with a washer (poor idea), or better yet use a thermostat to control engine heat and create a high pressure zone for heater coolant flow.

01-21-2016, 02:12 PM	#20
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,030	Re: hot water heat How and where are is your hot water pick up and return? How about photos? Charlie Stephens

01-25-2016, 07:30 PM	#21
Gino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Falmouth, Ma. Posts: 313	Re: hot water heat The water pickup is located on the top hose, with a new pipe adapter that is cut into the existing hose. You can see this kit in SNyders Catalog. I fabricated a piece of sheet metal and installed it in front of the radiator. When the salt clears from the roads, I'll give it a run. I do drive this Model A Pickup nearly every day, but once they salt the roads I don't drive it till it rains quite a bit, so It is not terribly important to have heat all winter. But I do like to experiment with this truck as it will not be a show piece as long as I own her. Don't hate me I love this truck more that my right arm and take very good care of her. Thanks and sorry to be so long winded.

01-25-2016, 08:48 PM	#22
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: hot water heat Forget the winterfront. You MUST have a thermostat to create pressure for the heater inlet hose. I just slipped a 2" thermostat in the top hose and keep it in place with the barbs cut from a 2" plastic male hose connector that I bought at Menards. A piece of rubber hose slipped inside the top hose can also hold the stat in place.